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Admin
| | Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 11:55 am: |   |
And I would be valedictorian of PRN-U:
there's more where that came from, including late medieval tales of donkey dicks:
http://www.pornokrates.com/tooth.html |
Chevalier
| | Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 11:00 am: | |
There should be a college course for this.
English Lit 069: "Oral Sex in Proto-Renaissance Fiction" |
Admin
| | Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 10:41 am: | |
A young gentleman of the age of twenty years, somewhat disposed to mirth and game, on a time talked with a gentlewoman which was right wise and also merry. This gentlewoman, as she talked with him, happened to look upon his beard (which was but young and grown somewhat upon the overlip and but little grown beneath--as all young men's beards commonly use to grow) said to him thus: "Sir, ye have beard above and none beneath."
And he, hearing her say so, said in sport: "Mistress, ye have a beard beneath and none above."
"Marry," quod she, "then set the one against t'other--" which answer made the gentleman so abashed that he had not one word to answer.
from A HUNDRED MERRY TALES, 15th cent. |
Chevalier
| | Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 9:30 am: | |
"And Absolon, hym fil no bet ne wers,
But with his mouth he kiste hir naked ers
Ful savourly, er he were war of this.
Abak he stirte, and thoughte it was amys,
For wel he wiste a womman hath no berd.
He felte a thyng al rough and long yherd,
And seyde, 'Fy! allas! what have I do?'
'Tehee!' quod she, and clapte the wyndow to,
And Absolon gooth forth a sory pas."
(And Absolon, to him it happened no better nor worse,
But with his mouth he kissed her naked ass
With great relish, before he was aware of this.
Back he jumped, and thought it was amiss,
For well he knew a woman has no beard.
He felt a thing all rough and long haired,
And said, "Fie! alas! what have I done?"
"Tehee!" said she, and clapped the window to,
And Absolon goes forth walking sadly.) |
Chevalier
| | Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 9:13 am: | |
Chaucer + "ye" = fun.
Chaucer + "The Miller's Tale" = FUN!!!! |
Marccampbell
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 9:12 pm: | |
man this thread is a bitch if you have a lisp. |
Chrysippvs
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 8:06 pm: | |
I don't think the thorn was in use when the grammatical form of the definite article was used.
The articles in old english are quite a bit different (although the unvoiced thorn sound is used and not voiced the edh sound).
Since we don't have any anglo-saxon speakers in the house, we have to base our pronounciation of OE on Icelandic etc...
- J |
_Blackjack
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 7:47 pm: | |
Mmm...dental fricatives...
As I heard it, the use of "Ye" for "the" was specifically because of a scriptural custom of abbreviating "the" by raising the "e" off the baseline and connecting it to the "Þ" which supposedly (tho I can't see how, exactly) looked like "ye".
My question is, why the heck were they spelling "the" with a "Þ" in the first place? Did it used to be pronounced with the unvoiced fricative? |
Chrysippvs
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 4:51 pm: | |
"'Hear ye, Hear ye' has almost certainly been in continuous use by government. It doesn't seem as if they would have made such a mistake in pronunciation... "
No, it is correct since they are addressing more than one person. Chaucer, especially in the Parson's tale, makes use of many such archaisms...reading him is always fun to me...
- J |
Tavarua
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 4:34 pm: | |
Hey brother, it's what's fur dinner. |
Chevalier
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 4:24 pm: | |
Yuck yuck yuck ... I mean, thuck thuck thuck! |
Tavarua
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 3:40 pm: | |
Personally, I prefer the Y. I eat there all the time. |
Mr_Rabid
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 3:09 pm: | |
Tho ma homies, where Th'all been at? Word muyafuckas.
Olde Ebonicse. |
Chevalier
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 3:04 pm: | |
Ye're welcome. |
Mr_Rabid
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 3:01 pm: | |
Well there is the answer then- an I thank thee.
'Hear ye, Hear ye' has almost certainly been in continuous use by government. It doesn't seem as if they would have made such a mistake in pronunciation...
So I guess I can Ye and Thee with confidence.
"I pray thee, give me two lagers and ye may keep the change. Thank thee, wench." |
Chevalier
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 2:58 pm: | |
Kallisti, say "thanks" but write "yanks"! |
Admin
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 2:27 pm: | |
yer so cool. thanks! |
Chrysippvs
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 2:15 pm: | |
we both had part of the answer apparently
"The "th" sound does not exist in Latin, so ancient Roman occupied (present day) England used the rune "thorn" to represent "th" sounds. With the advent of the printing press the character from the Roman alphabet which closest resembled thorn was the lower case "y"." |
Admin
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 2:11 pm: | |
this is up for debate!
I was reading a text recently where the "ye" was definately "the" ... more so than you get on pub signs. I think the current thought is that "ye" is actually pronounced "the" and there was an article in some rag debating it, and DAMN if I can remember where I read this. might have been Archeology mag. but not sure...
who knows?!?! I would also love to have the answer ... |
Chrysippvs
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 2:03 pm: | |
Are you thinking of the thorn Þ and the edh ð both of which make a th or near th sounds. These are anglo-saxon (and generally germanic) letters that appear in runes and in old english but were assimilated out with the latin alphabet. Ye on the other hand is the second person plural nominative of "Þu" (you).
The declinsion of the old english personal pronounds are as follows:
first person
nom ic we
gen min user (ure)
dat me us
acc me (mec) us (usic
(inst)
second person
Þu ye
Þin eower
Þe eow
Þe (Þec) eow (eowic)
as you can see we make a lot of errors using archaic english. something like "what are ye doing" is incorrect, although the famous "hear ye, hear ye" is correct. You can (and I do) translate "ye" as y'all just for flavor.
I hope this answers the question, or atleast teaches some old english to ye.
- J |
Mr_Rabid
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 1:34 pm: | |
Question for all you kollidge graduates:
I know that a symbol which looks like Y was often used in days of yore to denote the sound 'th.'
Did people actually go round saying 'ye' or are all those 'ye's actually really 'Thees'?
A good case could be made for the yees as it's pretty close to 'you.'
This has been bugging me for years. |
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