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Larsbogart
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 8:24 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

The moral of this tale?
Why Betty never shows her face here? I dont know about the past, but she adds NOTHING to this forum presently. Why you think that is? Oops, well she does, she deposits your money.
Lars-#1 Betty fan
Larsbogart
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 8:10 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hold up....
In case you are refering to me...
Betty?
I know her full real name, her sisters name, what she looks like ( I have a photo), all about her history, what she does for a living, what she DID for a living, who she sleeps with, how many animals she has, how small she is, who makes the shit for her in the US (because someone does), her scams, all about her family, Her supposed "tricks" in importing, oh and did I say scams? Yes, she amused me with stories of running to the bank with gobs of cash from dumbasses who send her money. What else would you like to know??? That she suggests/demands anyone who buys from her post here? Boy am I tired of that horseshit ...Her days are numbered, face it.
Keep Betty circling the Wells Fargo in Tucson depositing your money, but spare ME the "BETTY BULLSHIT". Betty is NOT nice.
And dont respond to this post.
More to come, stay with us
Wolfgang
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 5:31 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks Tantris, you have awaken the Beast for our entertainment !

And you know what ? The Moonman, my very personal and exclusive provider, insure everything 100%. Damn! the guy is so cool he even wank my pickle and I let him bang my girlfriend ! Talk about customer services !

I never tasted Betty's Lableu but I'm open for an eventual sample exchange.
Artemis
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 4:17 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

> I refuse to badmouth others in a public forum,
> unlike some in this venue)

Oh, that's PRAISE you're writing about Marc!!
Oxygenee
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 4:04 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Well I'm retiring from the discussion so that I can sit back and enjoy the Marccampbell vs Tantris slugfest. My money's on the oldtimer.
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 3:38 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

tantris,

you're not only dumb, you're humorless.

Isn't there a Grateful Dead website for your kind.

Please go away.
Tantris
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 3:29 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Is that a birth defect, or did you work to insert your head that far up your ass?

Extraordinary ego... "young" wife. Banged up your cousin, eh?
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 3:13 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

tantris,

please don't worry about my current stature.
I live in a beautiful home. I have a young, beautiful wife. I am opening a restaurant and nightclub in Taos, New Mexico. My new solo album is being released in two months. Please visit my website and bask in the glow of my extraordinary
aura.
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 3:09 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

The reason Betty doesn't have any competition is because there's no demand for the service she offers. Anybody who knows anything about purchasing absinthe knows its readily available on the internet from reliable international sources. Betty preys on the naive and misinformed.

oxygenee,

you compare Betty to P.T. Barnum, who said
"there's a sucker born every minute". You are correct. So, why have you become an apologist for someone who exploits peoples ignorance?
Tantris
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 3:08 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Marccampbell farted out:
limited vocabulary? check out your last post.
The pinnacle of literacy.


Yes. And I see that irony and sarcasm aren't your strong points either.

Perhaps you need a speedometer reading so you'll know when things are passing by you.

Keep pattin' yer-self on the back there, Marc. Maybe you'll equal your bygone days yet.
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 3:02 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

My band of nobodies released two seminal punk records in the late '70s and early '80s.
Oxygenee
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 3:01 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I don't think Betty is a con-artist, Marc, just an old fashioned American entrepreneur with a touch of PT Barnum thrown in. Capitalism is brutally unforgiving - if Betty wasn't, on balance, giving her customers what they want, she'd have been out of business long ago, like any business. No one stays in business for several years - and expands their turnover - solely by bulshitting customers. If what Betty delivered in terms of service and product was so overpriced, she'd be facing multiple US competitiors. But she's not, is she?

Everyone's risk profile is different. I'd guess you are a risk taker Marc. I know I am, and I'd guess so are many on the Forum. So we're the market segment that prefers to import directly. Betty's customer's are highly risk averse I'd imagine. Even if the risk of the FDA or US Customs pitching up on their doorstep is minutely small -one in 10000, or one in 100 000, or one in 1000 000, its still too high a risk for them. Betty's business is based on satisfying this segment of the market. As I said: Good for her.
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 3:00 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

limited vocabulary? check out your last post.
The pinnacle of literacy.
Tantris
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 2:56 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Sue me. spelling error. Your derisive personal attacks show that your have an amazing lack of anything to say at all. Yawn! Oooo! Wow! Your band of nobodys played with a somebody. Wow! And look at you know. Bantering with your limited vocabulary on a late night discussion board.

How impressive! Gee, maybe I can be just like you someday...
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 2:50 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

If you knew "Ginsburg" so well, you should have known how to spell his name, its Ginsberg.

I performed music with Allen.
I'll dig up a link and post it here.
Its an article about a gig that Allen and The Nails, my group, did together.

tantris, the more you speak, the more ignorant you appear.
Tantris
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 2:43 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I knew Mr Ginsburg quite well. Met him through Ken Babbs and company. And, if you knew him at all, you'd know that he'd laugh to your face at being held as an icon for your ego.

Your ignorant assumptions tell far more about you than your geezer stories ever will.

How "hip" is it to be calling someone else "square"? What a moron you've proven yourself once again to be.
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 2:37 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

tantris,

its clear that yer potsmoking has fogged up your dope addled brain. I'm not slandering someone I don't know. I'm not slandering Betty. I know Betty. We were going to go into business together.
But, she creeped me out. She wanted to build a business based on withholding the truth, creating a sense of paranoia around absinthe and strongarming souces in Europe to not communicate with the members of this forum.
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 2:31 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

oxygenee,

does Gillette tell its customers that razor
blades manufactured by its competitors will tear your skin off?

Betty's marketing angle is based on misinformation. Plain and simple. I have purchased dozens of bottles of La Bleue from one her sources, Fabien, without a single problem.
Spiritscorner shipped me 18 bottles of absinthe.
12 had broken. They replaced all of them. Betty
presents herself as an alternative to problems, legal and shipping, that don't exist. She's a con artist. A classic old school huckster. I know her. I even like her. But, she's given me the hardsell back in the days when I knew little about purchasing absinthe. I could tell you all kinds of stories, but I won't. You know me well enough to know I'm not lying.
Tantris
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 2:29 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Oxygenee, exactely. She runs a business and in business... gasp! ... people are out to make a profit. This goes for Wal Mart to President Dumbass Bush to crack dealers.

I've never heard anyone who has actaully done business with Betina say anything bad about her at all.

And her slanderers, like Marc down there, prove their own ignorance and dogma each time they set fingers to the keyboard. Like there's a prize for having Rimbaud ink? Oooo! May I touch it, please?

But then, it seems a lot of people on this world asskiss certain others and all the while slander someone they don't know.

In this day and age, products can be obtained from myriad sources, regardless of what it is. The money paid is for services rendered and, in my book, the courtesy received.

Someone I know didn't like Betina's prices and recently ordered six bottles (of what i would consider swill) at a very nice price from a source in the UK. Upon arrival, four bottles were broken. NO compensation was offered nor made.
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 2:20 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

the Bluesmobile.
oh man, how square is that.

In the mid-'70s I was involved with The Jack Kerouac School Of Disembodied Poetics at The Naropa Institute in Boulder. I hung out with Burroughs, Gregory Corso, Anne Waldman, Robert Creeley and many more very fine poets. My band, The Nails, performed with Allen Ginsberg at a joint called Tulagis.

So tantris, you gun-toting Charley Manson wannabe, don't come in here and try to school me
or the rest of the sepulchritude crowd on what it
is hip. You are waaaaay to square to pull that shit off.
Oxygenee
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 2:16 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I'd meant to post a few thoughts on Bettina in an earlier thread, but I guess now is as good a time as any to do it. I also find the constant anti-Bettina barbs on the Forum tiresome. I've never bought a single bottle of absinthe from Bettina, but I've corressponded with her, and spoken to her on the phone a few times.

Bettina is running a business. Like any business, the price she charges for her products is the ABSOLUTE HIGHEST SHE CAN GET AWAY WITH. This is not a rip-off, nor a con - it is a sound principle followed by every successful business anywhere. It what enables them to stay in business. By "highest she can get away with", I mean the highest possible price that customers in sufficient quantities will pay to secure her products, taking into account the price and availability of alternative comparable products to them.

Her COST price, is completely irrelevant to the equation. Anyone who thinks that cost of production is what determines (or what should determine) retail selling prices, is living in socialist la-la land. Gillette sell the blades for the Sensor Excell razor at hundreds of times the cost of production. Why? Because, once you've bought their razor, you gotta buy the blades from them. There is no alternative supplier. To move to another supplier, you have to write off your initial investment in their razor, and purchase another, perhaps inferior, razor. Sufficient customers believe that Gillete make the most technologically advanced product to bite the bullet, and keep on buying the "expensive" blades. Sufficient customers think Betty has the best absinthe and the best service, to bite the bullet and keep on paying $200 for La Bleue.

Large supermarket chains sell staples like milk usually at BELOW their cost prices. Why? Because there are thousands of alternative suppliers, all discounting the price of essentially the same product as low as possible.

If there were no other hotels in Stellenbosch, would my costs here increase by one penny? No. Would I immediately double my prices? In a heartbeat. If my Hotel was still full at these new prices, would I double them again? You betcha. If someone else opened an equally charming establishment just down the road, would I lower my prices? Sadly yes.

In economic terms, these higher profit margins attainable in the absence of competition are called superprofits. All business's strive constantly to achieve superprofits. Competitors constantly try to undermine this by opening rival business's, or offering similar products for less. If it is so easy to duplicate what Betty does, or so easy to undercut her prices, then where are all the other US suppliers doing just that?

Until now, for most of Bettina's market (which is not on the Forum of course), there has been no competitor, or competitive product. So she continues to sell her La Bleue at a no doubt substantial margin. Good for her.

Talking of cost prices though, the oft quoted figure of $30 for La Bleue wholesale in Switzerland is nonsense. I've never been able to buy it at less than $60, even when buying 24 bottles at a time. I've corresponded with some of the same people who supply Betty, and their wholesale prices are in the same range or even higher. Swiss friends of mine, some of them in the absinthe antique business, have also not succeeded in obtaining it for less. So while its quite possible that someone, somewhere in Switzerland can get high quality La Bleue for $30, this is an exceptional case, not the going rate for a regular and reliable supply. On to this you've also got to add the high cost of airfreight shipment, an allowance for breakages (both incoming and outgoing, since she replaces customer shipments broken in transit without question), a risk premium to cover the potential legal liability you run in importing what is at least technically an illegal product, and a profit margin high enough to justify the effort and capital invested. $200 a bottle seems high to me, but not out of the ballpark by any means.

Betty's so-called scaremongering tactics, seem to involve telling prospective customers of the risks that their directly imported bottles might get broken in transit, or confiscated by customs. Clearly this is much less of a risk for the private consumer importing one or two bottles, than it is for someone like Betty bringing in dozens at a time. Having corresponded with Betty over a two year or three year period, I can tell you though that on at least half a dozen occasions, she has told me of large shipments broken in transit or held by customs. If you believe that she was making this up so that one day, years down the line, I might post something defending her on the Forum, you're operating under X-Files levels of paranoia.

Likewise, there has never been a shred of actual evidence that Betty has posted on the Forum under a fake name. Might she have asked some of her customers to post something? Sure. Why not? Might they have immediately fled in horror after receiving a barrage of mocking or outright insulting replies? I expect so.

Betty is an unusual, and entrepreneurial spirit. She has a sometimes eccentric manner and writing style that some people find charming, others annoying. She seems to have fallen foul of some Forum definition of coolness. So what? She's the non-hip absinthe supplier. So what? If you've had a PERSONAL bad experience with Betty (I've never met anyone who has), by all means share it. But why do the same clique - who've never dealt with her - continue parroting the Forum conventional wisdom to each and every newcomer? Is "Don't buy from Betty" REALLY the most useful information to give to every first time poster here?
Tantris
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 2:08 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

blow me. i got yer hippy patcholi scent right here. i love the way your willful ignorance assumes these things. take a walk onto my property and you'll experience a very sweet peace and love 9mm.

someone people are content to be stupid and uninformed. others, obviously like you, wish to share it will everyone in public.

and you obviously didn't learn much in your "studies". my screen name has nothing to do with tantriks. maybe if you could read literature, you might figure out the source of it. but it seems dr. seuss might be a bit over your head.

i was a frequenter of this board long before your ugly head was raised herein.
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 2:01 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

And one other thing, you patchouli-wearing dipshit, I studied with Yogi Bhajan in Berkeley
in the late '60s. I ain't impressed by your cute little tantric references. I'll blow serpent power up your purty little hippie ass.

Om Mani Padme Hum, motherfucker.
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 1:55 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

tantris,
you dumb hippie fuck.

Betty visited me in my Manhattan apartment several years ago. I like her. But, for you to come into this forum with your arrogant misinformed horseshit makes me want to puke.
You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

"buy your cheap inferior absinthes..."

Go fuck yourself. There are people in this forum who make absinthe that is better than La Bleue.

And as far as Rimbaud goes, I had his name tattooed on my left arm 25 years ago.

Tantris, you hippie scum, tell Betty to stop telling her handful of ignorant customers to post
her praises in this forum. It only makes her look bad.

And Tantris, you stinking hippie wannabe,
I lived in Boulder, Colo. in the early '70s when it was a genuine hip town and not the yuppie piece of shit that it is today.

What are you recording in your studio? Dead covers?

Being a longhair don't mean jackshit anymore. Your freak flag is at halfmast.
Tantris
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 12:37 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

This is a roundabout tale, so you might just stop reading now if you're attention span is limited to soundbytes.


A number of years ago I lived in Boulder, Colorado. There were two music stores in town (not record stores, but instrument stores), not counting the late lamented Sandy's Drums. I went into one of them one afternoon and was examining a very pricey keyboard. The salesman guy there ignored me for the longest time and only came over to warn me to be careful with the equipment but never once attempted to discuss me with the products, assuming, of course, that a long-hair'd freak like myself could not afford a $5k keyboard (like wealthy musicians *aren't* commonly long hair'd freaks?). I found the entire staff to be quite rude and dogmatic, so on another day I dropped into the other store that had much less of a "reputation" among the local musicians. I was examining microphones when a salesman came over to chat with me. I told him I was looking for a microphone I'd be willing to sell the Bluesmobile for. He spent the next hour and a half showing and discussing numerous condenser mikes with me, and was not the least bit surprised, nor put off, when I left without buying a thing. For six months or so, I frequented the store almost daily and never bought a thing. But was always treated as if I spent money them regularly. One evening, I entered the place with a cashier's check and spent $8400 on studio equipment. I spent my money there because of the service and courtesy I had been shown.

I have often wondered, in my almost three years of reading this board, how many people here who bad mouth Ms Betina have actually ever spoken with her, corresponded with her, or done business with her? Probably few of you. Most of those who slander her name probably do so out of the dogma handed done by a few very rude individuals who view her as competition, and psychologically, as intimidating to their hierarchy of absinthe information.

To live with someone else's dogma dictating your life is rather sad and very pathetic. Had I done so in my life, I might have never read Kerouac, Burroughs, Neil Gaiman. Nor discovered the music of The Velvet Underground, The Grateful Dead, Bauhaus. Has no one ever discovered they enjoyed something that was, in popular opinion, "bad"?

When I first contacted her in late 1999, I told her up-front that I was interested in information only at that time. She treated me with courtesy and respect from my first email. As if I was a long-time customer and yes, even a friend. I bought a single bottle from her about a year later. And have made several purchases from her since that time. About to do so again. Her care and service are second to none. Second To None.

There are a few other sources I have contacted over the years, some responded nicely, some have never responded. I've sent repeated inquiries to one source in particular (no, I shan't name them, as I refuse to badmouth others in a public forum, unlike some in this venue), and have never ever received any personal replies at all. Only the extremely rare email from the mailing list to which I subscribed.

Actually, I'm rather glad that the majority of you mislike her so. Buy your cheap inferior absinthes, if it pleases you. Just makes more available from Betina for me. And folks like Nolan (never been introduced, sir, but that might be remedied soon).

I have found Betina to be gracious, kind, informative, and no more expensive that is her right to be in a free market. For anyone who's ever walked across a border and thru customs with something not entirely legitimate, they would know that some products carry a price tag for delivery. For the quality of the absinthe I have sipped from her, I have never had a problem with the price.

And, yes, I have sipped on several occasions, vintage period bottles of la fee verte. So I know whereof I speak when I say that some of her bottles are of the best available today.

The moral of this tale? Well, if you need it explained to you, then you might have been among those who thought "Total Eclipse" accurately depicted Arthur Rimbaud. And I'm not prone to explaining subtleties like morals, sarcasm, and things that are obvious to those with open minds.


-tantris

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