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Perruche_Verte
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 11:59 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I'm no lawyer or restaurateur, but you could probably run a sort of "speakeasy". Set it up as a 3-4 hour event, charge people admission to the event itself, and then give them complimentary glasses of absinthe. That way you're not selling it. (Didn't you use to set up absinthe tastings like this, Marc?)

Not sure how the law would interpret this, though, or whether it would really be popular. I don't see anything like the rave scene forming around absinthe -- it's much more subtle than illegal drugs.

Escort services are able to operate in the open in much the same way. They don't sell sex per se -- customers just pay for the escort's time, not for any particular activities which the two of them might perform.
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 11:44 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Robert, Robert, you're not paying attention. They don't charge for the absinthe. It is given away.
Robertsmith
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 11:40 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

It doesn't matter to me what restaurant it is, I'm actually more curious about how much they charged per glass, just as a reference in case I undertake a similar endeavour myself. I wouldn't charge less than them, or even try to compete. I'm just curious if you know how popular the absinthe there was and how much it went for.
Marccampbell
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 10:47 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

robert,

I am not going to tell you the name of the restaurant. I will tell you its in Greenwich Village
and it is owned by a world renown chef.
Robertsmith
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 9:54 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hey Marc, what restaurant was that? Email me if it's confidential.
Wolfgang
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 8:17 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Do a google search for " montreal goth ezboard " and introduce yourself in the " Introduce yourself " section.
Larsbogart
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 7:44 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Yeah yeah yeah...but Absente will be a money maker in bars. The generally dumb public, what do they know of the difference? Give them a glass and a spoon and they throw money. ["I mean, its like, I saw Moulin Rouge"] Much money will be made in bars before anyone knows the difference.
Nascentvirion
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 6:36 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Wolfgang, whats the name of your forum. I'd be interested in posting there. If thats okay with you.
Wolfgang
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 6:03 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

About the absinthe bar, what about selling "membership cards" and giving away absinthe to members...?
Wolfgang
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 6:00 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

(sorry, a little bit off topic)

Nascentvirion:
"The goths who arent goth and such. Thats one subculture thats so spread out now. "

Yup. And I must not be a real one because I'm happy about it. It means more nightclubs, more bands, more shows, more gothy art exhibitions...

I co-admin a gothic forum and in the last six months we doubled our forum's membership without any advertising. We are invaded by newbies. Luckily, some people like me in my area think it's a good thing and we do our best to organise meetings, party and those unforgettables picnics to integrate those newbies and share the culture.

Damn for sure our 200 members or so knows that Absente is a ripoff and knows about real absinthe ! That makes for expensive picnics doo...
Artemis
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 4:23 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

> I contacted an alcohol distributor in NYC who
> responded to my request with indignation, as if
> I was asking them to do something wrong.

You were asking him to do something that could land him in jail. It's not about "wrong", it's about bringing trouble upon himself.

> I have seen absente in stores gift boxed with 2
> glasses.

I've seen socket wrenches gift boxed with fish knives, but that's got about as much to do with absinthe as absente does :*) .
Marccampbell
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 11:11 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I used to provide a NYC restaurant with bottles of La Bleue.
Tortainglese
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 10:53 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I don't know if absinthe is technically illegal in NYC. However, before I found it via the internet, I contacted an alcohol distributor in NYC who responded to my request with indignation, as if I was asking them to do something wrong. I have seen absente in stores gift boxed with 2 glasses. The first time I saw it, I asked the clerk if it was the real thing, but they didnt know anything about the product.

You guys seem pretty savy, like you could convince someone here in NYC to start offering it on the sly.
Marccampbell
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 9:14 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

there's alot of stuff that goes on in most bars that is illegal. Bars are a great source for illegal drugs of all sorts. In the '80s I knew bartenders who sold as much cocaine as they did booze. In the '90s it was ecstacy. I doubt very much that a glass of absinthe given away in a Manhattan bar to a friend of the owners would result in any legal problems.
Raschied
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 9:07 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

And if the guy is a diabetic, doesn't tell the bartender, and goes into a coma in the bar from drinking absinthe, what do you think would happen to the owner of the bar?
_Blackjack
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 9:04 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

There is nothing specific to absinthe in the Virginia code, but since it isn't legal to distribute for human consumption in the US, under FDA regulations, I doubt even giving it away, in the context of a business, would technically be legal. All the "personal use" exceptions go out the window when you are in an ABC licensed establishment.
2loucheltrec
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 8:49 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

marc- the giving away seems to be the best option for so called loop holes , that even not be legal down here in the commonwealth(fuck) of virginia . they still tend towards the good ole boy mentality around here. i'll definitely have to do more research...
_Blackjack
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 7:53 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Here's the thought I just had: add a second button the the experiment. If the subject's GSR jumps after hitting the first button, but before the stimulus, have a light go off, and if the subject hits the second button, the stimulus is aborted before the subject sees it. I'm not sure exactly what it would prove, but it would be interesting to see if this "pre-reaction" could be employed to AVOID the unpleasant stimuli or if the "pre-reaction" only can tell what MUST happen. If this phenomenon is reproducible, we might be able to hook up lttle GSR meters to ourselves to act as a "Spider-Sense"...

Not that I have drawn any conclusions about this yet. I'm going to do some more reading. BUT, if you want to make claims of "paranormal" phenomena, THIS is the way to do it.
Marccampbell
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 7:11 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I know of one New York City bar that offers absinthe to its customers. But, it is given away, not sold. And you have be tight with the owner.
Nascentvirion
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 6:32 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Absinthe bars... I thought I heard about a place called Absinthe in San Francisco. I remember seeing their webpage and saying they have absinthe get togethers or something like that.I could be wrong but it sounded like a neat place. And Wolfgang I know exactly what you are talkiing about. The goths who arent goth and such. Thats one subculture thats so spread out now.

Marc dont leave, stay ! You have much knowledge to offer.
Destiny
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 6:32 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

How big are Jill's boobs?

(That was for marc.)
Mr_Rabid
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 6:19 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Picture this:

A trained psychic precogs a quantum event, observing it before it happens and thereby determining the result.

Now an observer at the actual event observes/determines the result.

When he does that, does he supercede the original observation? Does he change the past by causing the original one to have been different? How could we tell?

Could it be possible to set up retrocognition? Could that be the underlying basis of psychometry?

Cause if so, and you can use it on quantum observation... you could send messages into the past, using which gate the electron or photon passes through as a 1 0 system.

And then, me buckos, we would finally really know-can fate be changed or not? We might also gain insight into how random past/future progression actually is.

Bob sends jill a message from a week hence- "I found the red ball you left in the safe."

Now Jill goes and takes the ball out, replacing it with a green ball.

Now Jill goes back and reads the message from Bob. What does it say? If it says 'green' does Jill remember it always having been that way, even though the fact she was to switch the ball to another random color was part of the experiment?

I tell you, we are on the verge of finding out what kind of underwear God himself wears!
2loucheltrec
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 6:15 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

if you have a bartender who doesn't have a heavy hand your only looking at about 16.93 (1.5 oz) servings per 750 ml. at $9 a glass that would just pay for a $150 bottle of le bleue (read: no profit). you also would probably only want to do it for "special" customers (or friends that give advanced notice and slide a bottle from home in ), you wouldn't want a printed menu in case of a surprise inspection (believe me they do!). most higher end liquours you try to get around 30-33% cost on it, your house or rail pours you want much lower (where you make the real money) so le bleue by the glass would not be cheap by any means in a bar.
Dr_Ordinaire
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 5:56 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Anybody who has an interest in PSI and who has a DNA-ingrained resistance to boredom should read: "The Conscious Universe", by Dean Radin, Ph.D.

Man! It's long and boring. No spoon bending antics. Just a meta-analysis of previous PSI experiments.

And...it shows that the only reason we don't accept PSI is because it doesn't fit our model of the universe.
_Blackjack
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 5:39 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post


Quote:

Stick that one in your pipe and smoke it, Blackjack! ;-)



Interesting stuff. I'll be intersted to see what further research uncovers.

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