|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 2:08 pm: |
And by the way, just to be a geek, arguing that firm moderation is needed in online fora is so totally *not* an argument against practical socialism. Anyone who's ever worked in a functioning collective knows this. Decisions still have to be made, and enforced. The standards, and the management, just need to be agreed upon by a majority (or a consensus) of those who participate, so that you have something like a functioning democracy.
There is always an odd one out, who can't tolerate any sort of 'censorship' and has to leave, and then everyone else goes on their merry way. It's happened here before - not that this joint is a socialist collective, or a democracy, or any such damn thing, of course. It's a punk rock stripper bar.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 2:03 pm: |
Why doesn't someone ask Head why he doesn't come on this here forum anymore??? Oh you can't, he doesn't post anymore! I can assure you though that he wasn't runnin from no two-bit pikkles...
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 2:02 pm: |
I thought it was me..thats a relief
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 1:59 pm: |
I favor a sterner hand from Admin over setting up anything more private than the present forum. If I had to apply to some old-boys group to be part of it, I wouldn't bother. I do agree that the general respect level needs to increase, but the way to take care of that is for management to enforce standards.
Tremblement de terre, avec Lheraud et Guy, s'il vous plait, Madame.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 1:43 pm: |
I'm pretty sure it's just you.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 1:38 pm: |
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 1:29 pm: |
I've been following this ongoing discussion with interest. I have enjoyed reading everything for the past several months. I agree that at times things become tedious but those things die out. I can also respect the opinion of the more serious minded posters that want to both gain knowledge and impart same.
Seeing as how this is Kallisti's baby - she can certainly do as she pleases, but I, for one, will miss any posts that may move to a more secure forum.
Further, if any of my posts have been the source of any distress, I shall accept ostracism or banishment with hat in hand.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 1:18 pm: |
Ok Marc I see your point.
It is annoying when in the middle of a discussion about something that you find of interest you someone come in and insults you or calls you a boring bastard or a nerd or something along those lines.
I don't think the answer is running off and forming an inner forum because you end up with a pool of people that will just stagnate. Any forum needs newcomers or it will just die. Everyone here was a newcomer at some stage.
What is a better idea is for us all to have an open discussion about what we want on THIS forum. Let's knock ideas around and then see what comes out of it. But the forum needs to be open to newcomers (and not just friends of friends etc). Despite what it might seem we probably have a lot of ground for agreement about what we both want here. Then Kallisti can set up some rules based on this and enforce them.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 1:12 pm: |
then go to someone's house and do it, we talk absinthe here fucko!
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 1:08 pm: |
I doubt that a private forum would be composed of the "in crowd". I am not aware of an "in crowd" or
"arbiters of absinthe orthodoxy". I'm not sure what those phrases mean. Frankly, alot of us "old timers" stopped talking about absinthe awhile ago.
We continue to drink it and talk while drinking it.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 1:04 pm: |
I agree that there should be a respect for the topics discussed.
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|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 1:02 pm: |
I have been a forum reader for over two years, a lot longer than all but a few of you. Though I've never been part of any in-crowd, there was a time when I posted regularly. I've met a couple of other forumites and enjoyed it immensely when I did. I don't post much any more, mostly because I just don't find the discussion to be terribly interesting. But I stopped before the problem of the puerile posters became such a big deal. I'm not into the vitriol; nor do I care the elitism, one-upsmanship and absinthe geekery that certain members of the in-crowd often display. So, I don't have much use for Marc's idea that there should be some inner circle of cognoscenti, the arbiters of absinthe orthodoxy. . .how boring! .
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 1:00 pm: |
I agree that there should a respect for the topics
discussed here. The problem is: there isn't respect.
I read all of your posts because you have a perspective on things that I find of interest.
Your singlemindedness often amazes me. My politics tend to be all over the map. I admire your focus. I generally don't get involved with political discussions because I find them too volatile and frustrating. In addition, I am not that well-read when it comes to international politics. Anyway, I have never found your posts boring.
I would never dictate to anyone what can or cannot be discussed. But, I will complain if someone is constantly bombarding a thread with irrelevent bullshit. Isn't that a form of dictating what can or cannot be discussed?
If certain forum members are driving people out of here, than that is a form of dictating what can or cannot be discussed.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 12:51 pm: |
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 12:50 pm: |
The 'cosy-clique' in this case has not been formed as a result of a conspiracy but rather as a result of insecurity.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 12:45 pm: |
Oh anatomist... you're still bitter about your little Beatles thread aren't you? Come now, have milk and cookies, make the pain go away...
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 12:45 pm: |
You yourself have been known to invade someone's thread and bad-mouth the topic of conversation and because it does not meet with your approval. I remember this happening on a thread where politics was being discussed (or was it philosophy or something). There is more to life (some people's anyway) than music, art, films and sex.
I agree there should be a certain amount of respect for the topics discussed but this applies to all topics that interest people here. We may be a very long way from being experts on anything at all but we are all entitled to discuss what interests us with other like minded people or should we have a situation where someone dictates what should be discussed and what should not be discussed. What suits one person doesn't suit another and nobody is forced to read threads about topics that bore them.
The best thread that ever existed here in my opinion was the "Asbestos Underpants Consortium". It was set up for people to argue and fight on.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 12:37 pm: |
"I would love to talk..."
And you do.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 12:33 pm: |
I remember with nostalgia when I tried to write fuck with happy faces, and someone else, either wolfgang or pikkle showed me how...
Now that was graffiti.
It was also not like 90% of my posts. The sky is not falling. The only problem I have with the forum is that the forum itself is now the most hotly debated topic. How fucking solipsistic can it get? I would love to talk about art, poetry, cooking, cars, love, death, and most of all absinthe, and so I'll say bye bye to this topic now, I've already said way way too much on the matter.
PS, if I get hammered and I write fuck with happy faces again, that doesn't mean I'm a frat boy, it just means I 'm a silly drunk sometimes...
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 12:10 pm: |
Nothing personal. I only meant that I wasn't privy to the details of what you had in mind, if you had anything in mind. Now I am. Thanks.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 12:08 pm: |
> To do it right, it should have all been
> arranged privately, and never discussed here.
The first rule of Fight Club is .....
If all the cliquish Old Guard had quietly departed to a quiet garret, like good Christians called to the Rapture, would the vandals even have noticed as they continued tearing up the place like those movie Gremlins in the bar?
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 11:59 am: |
IMHO, the occasional dick and fart joke is fine. It's when almost every thread gets over run with them that it becomes a problem.
If you're bored or find the current conversations dull please either find something interesting and on topic to say or go away.
This kind of thing is the bane of internet communities everywhere. Unless the community is very good at policing itself, the signal to noise ratio rapidly goes into the toilet and the conversation degenerates into infantile rantings and flame fests.
I did have some problems with some of the "old guard." I replied to Don once, asking him to be more civil in his replies to me. I'm sure you all can imagine that his reply wasn't all that sympatetic. Still, even with some of the flammage that went on, by and large I found the forum a much pleasanter place just a few months ago.
I was ready to give up on the forum and seek greener pastures elsewhere when I saw Marc's post. Now, I'm going to hang around for a bit and see where this initiative goes.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 11:47 am: |
BTW, I think publicly posting the secret society idea was a bad move... kinda blows the 'secret' part. To do it right, it should have all been arranged privately, and never discussed here.
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 11:47 am: |
I didn't e-mail you "my plan" because I don't have one. I e-mailed a few folks my thoughts on the state of the forum, to get some feedback. I wanted to find out if there were others that were frustrated by the amount of inane babble that was clogging up the airways in here. I found out that there are quite a number of people who are disenchanted with the tone of the forum. So far, I have received approx. 20 e-mails from people who are interested in the idea of an alternate forum. The mail has been forwarded to kallisti.
As many of you know, I have no problem with sexual content. I have created a couple of threads that
are full of it. But, I keep it within those threads. You can visit them or avoid them. Its up to you. My problem with the forum right now
is that all the threads are being invaded by a couple of people who have little to contribute other than dimwitted chatter. Its gotten boring
|Posted on Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 11:45 am: |
"You know why I interject my non-sequitous babble? Because it has about as much relevance as fifty percent of what's posted here by these so called elitists. Please, let them have their own forum and we can just stay here where we enjoy our own version of warm fuzzy feelings...
Forum: A public meeting place for open discussion."
So, let me get this straight. You're so above "trite pseudo-philosophic café rhetoric" and so disgusted with it's irrelevance to absinthe, that your response is to attempt to interject yourself, disrupt and ruin all such conversations: to prevent people from having them. If they don't like being harassed by you, they should go away and play somewhere else? I'm having a little trouble grasping the logic of this... Sounds like the behavior of a typical resentful brat or school yard bully with tautological window dressing. If you don't like the cafe rhetoric, why don't YOU go play someplace else? If this truly is a 'public' forum, as you claim, why do you feel the need to constantly disrupt everything that doesn't meet your standards with a 'hey look at me!' in an attempt to stop it? It looks like megalomania and pathological insecurity from here.