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Marccampbell
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 5:13 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

If anybody watches the Pearl video and says "cool", I pity them.
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 5:12 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

DANIEL Pearl. Got it. Just like last night: when I make a mistake, it's a pretty dumb one.
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 5:10 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I hear you, Marc. The more you live, the more brushes you're likely to have with death. People you know die, and then some more die, and you learn what permanent loss is. You end up empathizing. I don't know Ron Pearl from Adam, but I remember feeling sick in the stomach -- wanted to vomit -- when I heard about his murder.
Mr_Rabid
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 5:08 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Personally, I think it's poor form.

Pictures of the long dead are one thing- nobody is going to be too broken up (it's relative) about that picture of the dead German with no face from WWI.

Now, if your husband or wife or whatnot died horribly, it would make it hurt just that little bit more for people not only to keep talking about it, but to know that someone in the room at any given place watched them die and said "cool!"

Then that someone switched to a porn site, maybe, or maybe they played some pong.

Your husband, ma'am
-we regret to say-
has been most fouly murdered
his head was sliced away

just click this link
and see it free
gaze in wonder at his blood
magically reduced
from a living man

to what we call
'content'
in the business

1s and 0s cannot die
remember how his eyes crinkled
when he laughed?

Don't forget to watch our banner ad!

And fuck! Just lookit all that blood!
Joalco
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 5:07 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Nope, it's Dieter Preal.
Marccampbell
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 5:07 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

David Pearl. Its important to get his name right. Very important.
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 5:06 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

And I'd show him, if I could, a video of every family member and close friend of every person who died on 9/11, not to mention Ron Pearl. The horror these living people are experiencing goes on and on.
Marccampbell
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 5:05 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

chevalier,

I am becoming more sensitive as I age. After 9/11, I won't go to see big blockbuster films like THE SUM OF ALL FEARS or PEARL HARBOR. I can't bear to watch wholesale destruction of cities and people. Its too fucking painful.
Joalco
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 5:05 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Shit, people were using pictures of the World Trade center as early as 9/12... Remember the "middle finger" photo? Granted, it's not up close and personal, like the Pearl video, but no matter how tasteless (or innocuous) the subject matter, once the material is out there, it *will* be altered...

Just like those pictures of me, a goat, and a nun...

I mean, you guys didn't think I *really* did that, did you?

C'mon, who'd fuck a nun? Everybody knows they're lesbians...
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 5:03 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

It's strange; the older I get, the less jaded I become. My empathy is increasing. I don't have a kid yet, but if/when I do, these kinds of horrors will probably affect me even more. I'll see the Ron Pearls of this world and think, "That could have been my son!!"
Marccampbell
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 5:02 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

chevalier,

if someone one I knew had doubts about why we're trying to track down and bring Osama
bin Laden to justice, I'd show them the Pearl video.
Barsnake
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

IMHO - the main difference between the Dead Kennedy photo and any speculative photo rendering of the Pearl murder is that the participants of the Jack Ruby / L H Oswald incident were both criminals - or suspected to be such...Daniel Pearl is portrayed as a sympathetic "every person" victim of a horrendous crime.
Time is also an important element...time can deaden (excuse the pun) the horror of an act. Who's to say that in a decade somebody won't use the WTC pix - or the Pearl video in some remarkable, thought provoking manner.
Joalco
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:59 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

That would be much more understandable. However, I don't see how 140 year old pictures of people to whom you have no direct connection could effect you so deeply. But, admittedly, I'm a jaded motherfucker.

And, seeing as how Lee Harvey Oswald, or even R. Bud Dwyer, are not my father, brother, second cousin, nor are they yours, I fail to see the emotional connection.

Pearl I can understand a little better, because we as a society haven't had time to come to terms with the act, or its implications in the greater scheme of things.
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:55 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Time doesn't make a difference to me. 140 year-old Matthew Brady pictures of Civil War dead hit home just as hard as images of terrorism victims.

If someone tried to market a video of my father, my brother or my best friend having his head sliced off, I'd go after him and make his life hell. And if my father, brother or best friend had been Lee Harvey Oswald, I'd have done the same to that digital artist.
Joalco
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:50 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I don't think that the video should be unavailable. I do think, though, that if people are making money off it, as Chevalier suggested, that it should be repressed, if for a while, or only made available through proper channels (media outlets with access restricted to adults, etc).
Joalco
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:48 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

And, besides, if I had a punk band, I'd call it Millions of Dead Muslims, and the cover art would the pope walking around with Osama's head on that big funny stick he always walks around with.
Marccampbell
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:47 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

You don't have to search hard to find the video. Its everywhere. I found it at the Drudge site.
The Boston Phoenix website is linked to it.

There's a very heated debate going on as to whether the public should have the right to see the video. The FBI has attempted to repress it.

How do you feel about the footage that has been shown of holocaust victims, footage from the Vietnam war, people falling from the Twin Towers?

Shouldn't we see the horrors of war and terrorism.
The Pearl video is awful. But, isn't important to be reminded of what these people (Taliban, terrorists) are capable of? Or have we seen enough?
Joalco
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:46 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Well, in my eyes, it had had enough time for the shock of the image to die down. The Daniel Pearl incident is still fresh in our collective memories. By the time the DK's appropriated the image and changed it into something satirical, almost twenty years had passed. I can see how some people might be bothered it, but there was a large amount of time passed between the event and its resurfacing, and the resultant image was (arguably) humorous, turning a harsh event into something much less vile.
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:46 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I mean, if you form a band and call it the Dead Talibans, what's to stop you from using Pearl's digitally altered image on one of your posters -- in the name of black humor?
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:41 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Why is it different?
Joalco
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:40 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

The Oswald / Ruby photo was Dead Kennedys, and done way after the fact. I see it in a much different light than this.
Joalco
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:39 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I've haven't seen it, nor have I looked for it, but it doesn't surprise me that it's out there. What happened to that man is horrible, and you gotta wonder about those who'd want to watch it (or post it to the internet). Humanity's constant lack of its namesake never ceases to disgust me.
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:38 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

And I'll see red if anyone digitally alters it to look like some punk rocker singing into a mike. (The Oswald/Ruby murder photo comes to mind.)
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:34 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

No. It satisfies the second lowest desire that anyone can have: to watch someone die horribly. The lowest desire is to make money off of it.
Marccampbell
Posted on Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 4:31 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Have any of you seen the Daniel Pearl video that is available on the internet? It shows him being executed by his captors. Its horrifying. Should this video have been made available to the public?

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