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_Blackjack
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I'm firmly of the opinion that if a minor is charged as an adult and acquitted, that he should be given the right to vote, drive, drink and sign contracts. If you are going to be held to the level of responsibility of an adult, you should get the privilages too.

Here's the latest on the kid:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020607/od_nm/spitball_dc_1
Destiny
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 4:07 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

BJ, I didn't follow the case closely and I know the sensationalist reputation of TV news, but I heard more than once that they were originally considerng two felony charges as an adult. My point being the ridiculous contradiction that exists in the "age of consent" area. You can't get into a R-rated movie if you're under 17, but they charge you as an adult if you're over 13...

I saw an interview where Jerry Lee directed that "at least I marry mine" comment towards his hell and brimstone evangelist cousin, Jimmy Swaggart, (who had a little prostitiute problem a while back.)
Anatomist
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 3:55 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

All those U.S. ages are absurdly high, given the realities these days. When combined with the over-the-top child molester stuff, things can get absurd.

I know of one case where a 17 yr old boy was actually living with his 15 year old girlfriend in her parent's basement, at their invitation. Then they got pissed off at him, pressed charges - now he's technically a convicted child rapist. Everywhere he goes from now on, they notify everyone in town that he's a child rapist...

When you hook up those ages to the hysteria over 'child pornography' it gets even more absurd. A whole bunch of 'normal' porn includes actors and actresses under 18 or even 16, but there's no way the consumer would know, and the films are about adults fucking, not child abuse. Chances are, if you've ever looked at more than a few minutes of porn, you're complicit in 'child pornography'.

K.
_Blackjack
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 3:35 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Jerry Lee Lewis's defended himself by saying (I kid you not!): "You've screwed your cousin, haven't you? At least I married mine!"

The "spitwad" case is absolutely absurd, but the kid was NOT charged as an adult. He was found guilty in juvenile court, however, of mayhem (assault with intent to maim) because the spitwad (actually a cone made from a foil gum wrapper) hit another kid in the eye and nearly blinded him. The absurd part is that mayhem is the same crime for which they _failed_ to convict the guy who threw a brick at Reginal Denney's head on camera. It is especially absurd since juvenile cases are not tried by jury, so an actual JUDGE decided this kid intended to maim to other kid.

He was sentenced to 6 days in juvie and 150 hours of community service, which is good, since he could have been locked up until he was 21 on those charges.

For all your statutory rape needs, consult http://www.ageofconsent.com .
Traineraz
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 1:04 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Oh, was the tape supposed to be a special Father's Day gift for the girl's dad?

"Look, honey, your little girl is doing a famous rapper! Look how she gyrates like a common street whore when she dances for him! Aren't you proud??"
Larsbogart
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 1:02 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Uhm, wasnt the problem with R. Kelly and the 14 year old "golden shower" oriented?
Or was it that the mother of ther 14 year old made her daughter do it twice, just to make sure it got on the tape.
[dig deeper]
Hows that for family values?
Traineraz
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 12:58 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Entirely possible, Nola, considering Mesa is a Mormon town.

I tend to avoid the entire smog-filled Phoenix Valley whenever possible, and am ever so glad that I'm 120 miles from it.
Nolamour
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 12:57 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Trainer, I was told that Mesa, AZ was one of those places. 14 is legal? I didn't believe it until I went to a movie one night in Mesa and saw hundreds of "Children" all dressed up like they were on the hunt for a good man. Jeez, girls didn't dress like that when I was 14. Unless OZZY RULES shirts were the in-thing. LOL
Traineraz
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 12:45 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

. . . and the right state. However, I don't think R. Kelly was marrying this chick in a state where he can legally marry a 14 year old, unlike Jerry Lee Lewis, who did legally get married.

I'm sure if a white man did the same as R. Kelly, he'd get arrested, too. Everything doesn't HAVE to be about race, and how those horrible white people tread on all others, does it?
Perruche_Verte
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 5:18 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

You CAN marry (or even just screw!) a 13 year old - IF the parents or guardians don't object, which was apparently the case with Jerry Lee's teen wife.
Destiny
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 4:41 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

They charged him with something like 27 counts based on a videotape of the act. (He says it's not him in the tape.) I heard that he was married to Aliah (sp?) when she was 15 - it doesn't look good for him.
Marccampbell
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 4:35 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Destiny,

Jerry Lee did take alot of heat for marrying his 13 year old cousin. But, he got away with it because he's white. R. Kelly, a black man, will
be dealt with differently.
Destiny
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 4:19 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Can you imagine Jerry Lee Lewis or Elvis doing their thing nowadays?
Marccampbell
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 3:09 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

It sounds like R. Kelly would have been better off screwing the 8th grader who shot the spitwad.
Destiny
Posted on Saturday, June 8, 2002 - 2:45 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Watching the news last night, something really pissed me off: There was a story about the singer, R. Kelly, who was charged with multiple counts of child molestation for having consensual sex with a 14 year old girl.. blah, blah, blah she's only a child... The very next story was about an 8th grader who shot a spitwad at a classmate and was charged AS AN ADULT with two felonies.

So which is it - adult or child?

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