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Wolfgang
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 5:29 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Problem was the 50k file size limit...I just made is a bit smaller and save it to a lower quality...
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 5:23 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hallelujah! *Chevalier tips his top hat to Wolfgang*
Wolfgang
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 5:21 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Ok, there it is for Chev...

Oxygene Cusenier
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 4:41 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I feel like Artemis, circa yesterday.
Wolfgang
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 4:41 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

email it to me if you can't make it work.

wolfgang_fener AT hotmail DoT com
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 4:33 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Argghh! Try again.

1,my picture
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 4:31 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Yup, Timk, although the dog scenario seems more likely. Apparently, dogs are wild about anise.

By the way, here is a photo of an antique Cusenier Oxygenée absinthe bottle. Its shape looks just like that of the Dubied bottle in Frenchman Phil's antique photo.

1,my picture
Timk
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 4:19 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Heh, anyone thingk absinthe Bourgeois when they saw that?
Wolfgang
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:50 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Rename your file ".jpeg" and everything should be ok...
Wolfgang
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:49 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Dubied_Dog

(this one belongs to Betty)
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:47 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Here's a Cusenier bottle. Look at the shape.

1,my picture
Timk
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:21 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I have several pictures of oxygenee bottles, but theyre archived on cd atm - doesnt Ians site have one under the ritual section - btw, Ian did that bottle actually have contents?
Timk
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:18 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

ROFLMAO - it says cusenier on it, how good is that.
Wolfgang
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:14 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Of course that doesn't mean anything...Maybe they changed the shape of the bottle.
Wolfgang
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:12 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

duval
picture

I don't have a pic of a Cusenier bottle at hand doo...
Timk
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:10 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

As far as i know, the dubie bottles had roughly the same shape as the Cusenier Oxygenee ones - I could be mistaken - I didnt even see the auction - anyone got a url or pic?
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:58 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Perhaps we'll never know. The absinthe mystique lives on.
Wolfgang
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:55 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

And I think if someone want to buy vintage absinthe, he must be rich enough to be able to take the risk of ending up with a fake.

I still think it was a doctored pastis bottle. The label was too much perfect compared to the paper seal.
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:40 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

You know, I now think that your last statement (about the laughing) could be right. This absinthe-selling business has more twists and turns than a spy novel.
Wolfgang
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:27 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

We can`t read the embossing on the picture. In fact I don`t think we can see any embossing. The shape is the same but that doesn`t mean it`s a Cusenier bottle.

Or someone is sipping nice antique right now, laughing his ass off.
Chevalier
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 9:29 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

This thread raises the spectre of the fake "unopened, vintage Dubied absinthe bottle" auction on eBay. When was it, two weeks ago? Wolfgang raised a question that was never answered here on the forum:

If the absinthe was not Dubied (and therefore a fake) because the glass bottle itself was Cusenier, why does Frenchman Phil's website show a period photo of a Cusenier bottle with a DUBIED label on it?

I've not asked Frenchman Phil about this. Has anyone else done so? Oxygenée, Petermarc, Ian, Justin, Wolfgang, anybody ... do you have an explanation?
Oxygenee
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 1:31 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Sorry Phil, I mean't to say $800 - $950. Let me know as soon as you have one.

"best absinthe specialist of South Africa"....ouch, that hurt! Rather like being called the "best Super G Slalom specialist of Zaire"

What's the French for "backhanded compliment" ?
Frenchman
Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:16 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Oxygenee, now i am sure that you became the best absinthe specialist of South Africa.
French antique dealers are very impressed.

How you know that there are several kinds of absinthe fountain TERMINUS, as soon as i have one variant, i will let you know for $8000/$9500.
Nolamour
Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 6:46 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Well, due to experience, I am quite leery of eBay anyway. Many times you DON'T get what you pay for. Although, I'm sure there are legitimate sellers out there.
Oxygenee
Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 3:47 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

The more I look at the photos of the Terminus fountain on eBay, the more I get a bad feeling....

Here's how I see it:

In principle, this is the key item in any absinthiana collection - by no means the rarest fountain, but certainly the most important and desirable one. Every serious collector wants one. They are very rare in excellent condition, and this one, on the face of this, is near perfect. Its likely to fetch $8000 - $9500 - expensive now, but probably cheap in the long term. In any collecting field, the very rarest showpiece items in fine original condition almost always appreciate substantially in value, and Terminus fountains are likely to be no exception.

So, the real question is: is this one in fine original condition?

Look carefully at the lettering on the glass. If you have the original Delahaye "Histoire de la Fee Verte" book, compare it with the photo on page 225. The font on the eBay fountain is completely different. In fact, it's not just different, but suprisingly modern looking. The font on the fountains MCD illustrates, is essentially the same font used on the actual labels of Terminus absinthe. This one isn't. Did this font even exist in the early 1900's?

Notice also the position of the hinge, relative to the engraving on the glass. In all the Delahaye photos, and in other private photos I have seen, the coq is orientated more or less parallel to the writing on the glass. On the eBay fountain it is orientated perpendicular to the writing, with the hinge above the middle of the word "Terminus".

Bear in mind that the glass is of course the most fragile part of the fountain, and the least likely to survive intact. Terminus fountains with damaged or missing glass are found fairly often. The addition of a perfect glass reservoir would triple or quadruple the value of a damaged fountain.

I was offered a few weeks ago, a similarly "perfect" Terminus fountain, but with modern glass. It seems at least possible to me, that this eBay fountain has had the glass replaced - either with an entirely newly manufactured glass, or with an antique blank glass, onto which the all-important Terminus logo has been newly sandblasted. This would explain both the peculiar orientation, and also the different and worryingly modern looking typeface.

I don't think the seller is aware of this possibility. He is a genuine collector, and I think an honest one, known to both Petermarc and me. But anyone can unwittingly buy a doctored item.

Its possible of course that this is simply a less usual variant of the standard Terminus fountain - but in that case I've not seen it recorded or photographed before.



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