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Thegreenimp
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:38 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Jimi Hendrix was in the 101 Airborne, and did around 16 or 18 jumps till he broke his ankle and was discharged.
Experiencing freefall was an inspiration to to him, and wanted to capture the sound of the wind rushing, with his guitar.
Hendrix supported the US military, much to the chagrin, of his musical counterparts, causing some friction amongst the prevailing 60's opinion, in the music industry.
Jay
Chevalier
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:14 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

And he served in the U.S. Army, by God!
Thegreenimp
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 9:58 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hendrix was truely alone in his category, while traditional Heavy Metal is a a blues based form, Hendrix created a mixture of R&B, Jazz, Funk, and free form psychedelic sounds, into something that still has not been captured again.
Hendrix was taken to one of Cream's first gigs in London during the fall of 1966.
Hendrix asked the unthinkable, to sit in with Eric Clapton, and jam.......Clapton agreed, and Hendrix came out doing Howling Wolf's old number Killin' Floor..........after a few notes, Clapton's mouth dropped open, and his hands fell off of his guitar.......The British had never seen anything like Jimi Hendrix before......shortly after this incident, Eric Clapton permed his hair and began to dress like Hendrix.........Hendrix changed the British guitar scene, Clapton, Beck, Townson & Page all saw the early club gigs of The Jimi Hendrix Experience, they all changed after seeing Jimi.
While often credited as being a founder of Heavy Metal, this quiet guy from Seattle was more like an avantguard poet, writing incredible lyrics, and creating sound paintings with his guitar.
He changed not only the British scene, but music in general, with what he accomplished in a little over three years.
An amazing figure in music, was Jimi Hendrix.
Jay
Chevalier
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 9:24 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Time to send this thread to the Monkey Hole, where it can grow and prosper (or rot and fester).
Pataphysician
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 9:19 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Oh, yes, sorry, Mr. Verte. Here's a few of the advantages of American mass culture:

1. It's accessible. In fact, it's impossible to avoid. It's everywhere.
2. It's cheap and plentiful.
3. It's effemeral. It's disposable. It doesn't pile up in museums.
4. It's internally contradictory. Everything is going on at the same time. There's something for everybody.
5. It's morally and intellectually neutral. It doesn't ask anything important of you.
Pataphysician
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 9:01 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Heavy Metal (Cream, Led Zeppelin) = Jimi Hendrix
Beatles = Buddy Holly + Bob Dylan + Brian Wilson
Punk = Iggy Pop + Richard Hell + New York Dolls + etc, etc

The British also make great Pop music, but they bought it off the Americans.
Perruche_Verte
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 8:56 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"...it's got a lot of advantages over older cultures."

Um, Professor, would you mind touching on those? I'm taking notes as fast as I can.
Pataphysician
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 8:53 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

All of British Pop was an American invention.
Perruche_Verte
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 8:48 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Heavy Metal was a British invention."

Ah, but Hair Metal was an American refinement,
dare I say perfection thereof...

Wait, dammit. Def Leppard were BRITISH.

Another theory bites the dust...
Barsnake
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 8:41 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Well, yeah. That IS American culture."

Three words - VELVET ELVIS PAINTINGS
Lordhobgoblin
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 8:38 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Ozzy Osbourne was born in Birmingham, England (3rd Dec 1948). Heavy Metal was a British invention.
Lordhobgoblin
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 8:17 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

So Pikkle, you think the Irish went through choice, stay in Ireland and starve to death or get on a ship to America. The Pilgrim Fathers could either stay in England and be persecuted or get on a ship to America. So this is your idea of freedom of choice? I'd call this being forced to go.

This is about as much a choice as having to face one of Stalin's execution squads or go to live in the Siberian wastelands.

And what's all this shit about having to have the right bloodlines to be able to stay in England? Where did you get that nonsense from? I think perhaps you have been spending too much time in Irish-American Plastic-Paddy theme bars in Detroit and Chicago.
Pataphysician
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 8:17 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Killarney is full of such people in the summer months. Is it that within American culture there is something lacking? A void that needs to be filled with the culture of another nation. Surely this represents a serious deficiency, a lack of cultural confidence, ultimately an inferiority complex."

Yes! Yes! Exactly! Those people are a minority of boobs who are ashamed of Truck Rallies, Mullets, WWF, Wiggers, Elimidate, McDonalds, Heavy Metal...
Pikkle
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 8:07 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Um, very few were forced to go, most came for economic reasons and opportunity they were denied in jolly ole England... real fucking jolly if you didn't have the right blood lines, eh mate?
Lordhobgoblin
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 8:06 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Fine, that's your culture and identity so you should embrace it but why do so many of your countrymen try so hard to embrace a part of other people's culture as their own? Killarney is full of such people in the summer months. Is it that within American culture there is something lacking? A void that needs to be filled with the culture of another nation. Surely this represents a serious deficiency, a lack of cultural confidence, ultimately an inferiority complex.

As Absinthedrinker pointed out, in the summer months London sells itself like a cheap whore. But it tries to sell itself, it doesn't try to sell part of the USA (not like selling London souvenirs in Arizona).
Pataphysician
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 7:29 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Buy a small plastic London Post Box, buy ice-cream from inside a fake London Bus, drink a bottle of Bud in a mock London Pub (in Arizona), look at a boring grey Victorian (hey that's really ancient history) bridge that used to be in London, stuff a Big Mac in your face and hey "HAVE A NICE DAY!".I suppose to you Amerians this really represents a cultural experience (by your standards anyway)."

Well, yeah. That IS American culture. One thing you'd learn very fast in America is that the masses of Americans are not one bit ashamed of their cheap, vacuous, shoddy, and irrelevant culture. It's impossible to make them feel embarrassed or inferior about it. (Other than the fact that it's consuming the planet faster than can be sustained) it's got a lot of advantages over older cultures.
Absinthedrinker
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 5:56 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

The sad thing is that, particularly in the tourist season, London becomes its own theme park and sells itself like a cheap whore. You don't have to go to Arizona to buy tacky souvenirs of Ye Olde England or enjoy a real British Pub experience in a specially themed bar. The West end is full of such tat.
Lordhobgoblin
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 5:19 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Pikkle,

Your country is made up of people who went because they were forced to go, not through choice. They didn't sit around and say "Hey I'm fed up with this archaic class-based system I'm living under I'm living under, I'm going to sell up and go to American".

And don't spout all that shit that the USA is a classless society just because the 'Middle Classes' are in control (it might surprise you to know that the 'Middle-Classes' are the dominant, most powerful class over here too). I guess the USA is a 'classless society' if you happen to be Middle-Class.
Lordhobgoblin
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 5:12 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

You can buy a bridge but you can't buy the culture from where the bridge came from. It's sad that you wanted to buy a bridge from another nation in an attempt to buy some culture. The funny thing is that it's not even an old bridge, it was only built in England in 1831 (but hey by American standards that's really ancient).

You buy a boring, grey, modern bridge and you think you're buying some culture. You stick it in the Arizona dessert, build a plastic mini-London beside it with an ice-cream kiosk in the shape of a London Bus, a red London Post Box, a mock 'London' Pub and countless souvenir shops selling loads of tacky souvenirs. Very tasteful indeed.

Buy a small plastic London Post Box, buy ice-cream from inside a fake London Bus, drink a bottle of Bud in a mock London Pub (in Arizona), look at a boring grey Victorian (hey that's really ancient history) bridge that used to be in London, stuff a Big Mac in your face and hey "HAVE A NICE DAY!".I suppose to you Amerians this really represents a cultural experience (by your standards anyway).
Pikkle
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:38 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

YOU GO BOY!
Pataphysician
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:38 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

http://theonion.com/onion3829/stereotypes.html
Pataphysician
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:16 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"You all just don't seem to understand that you can't buy culture."

Oh, yeah? Where's your London Bridge now, limey?
Pikkle
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:02 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

The reason there are Americans is because some of your countrymen got tired of being part of an archaic class-based society with little or no freedoms, and bad teeth... but just like going to the zoo, it's a nice place to visit, especially with all the cute little sounds everyone makes!
Lordhobgoblin
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 8:34 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

The reason American tourists are so fond of old stones and museums is because they have none of their own. What can you expect from a nation formed only yesterday (and Germany isn't much older than the USA either). A 100 year old house is no doubt an 'old' house to a Yank.

One of the funniest quotes is the American lady after flying directly over Winsor Castle on the way into Heathrow airport saying "Why on earth did the build Windsor Castle directly under a busy flight path?". That just about sums it up.

You all just don't seem to understand that you can't buy culture.
Greenmeanie
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 8:15 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Pikkle,
This is killing me! I'm in hysterics!! They're not just falling into it, they're HURLING themselves into it!! They're SOOOOO easy!

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