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Nascentvirion
Posted on Wednesday, September 4, 2002 - 8:59 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I definately admire his work with Ministry on the whole LARD project. They are still putting out albums to. The last one was out in 2000 called "70's Rock Mst Die". Poking fun at the whole hair metal genre.
Lordhobgoblin
Posted on Wednesday, September 4, 2002 - 12:34 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Sueing him for a lack of advertising on back catalog records was a bit rich especially since he left the running of ATR to others. Not exactly very 'anti-commercial' of the other ex-Dead Kennedys.
Marccampbell
Posted on Wednesday, September 4, 2002 - 12:13 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

hob,

the important question is:
why were they suing each other?

Because jello refused to sell out.
Lordhobgoblin
Posted on Wednesday, September 4, 2002 - 11:58 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

The Sex Pistols played their last concert in January 1978. The Dead Kennedys didn't play their first gig until 6 months after this. By the time the Dead Kennedys released their first album Sid Vicious had been dead for over 18 months. Punk was dead before the Dead Kennedys came on the scene.

Although a band that manages to get a song called "Too drunk to fuck" into the top 40 of the UK mainstream record charts does deserve a little credit. Its a shame they all ended up in the courts sueing the pants of each other.
Marccampbell
Posted on Wednesday, September 4, 2002 - 10:05 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

black,

Jello has also stuck to his guns. He has refused to allow his music to be used in commercials. He continues to tour and discuss his views on politics, society, music etc. He continues to sign
young bands to his label, Alternative Tentacles.
As you know, he even once ran for mayor of San Francisco. I had dinner with Jello in Austin, Texas a few years ago. He's as firey and opinionated as ever. Jello is a man who is obsessed with pointing a light on injustice,
racism, sexism...He's for real.

I first met Jello (Eric) in Boulder, Colo. in 1976. We were in a record store wrestling over a used Stooges album. At 15 years old, Jello already had a formidable record collection.
Years later, in San Francisco, I visited his home. There were rooms and rooms of records, stacked from floor to ceiling. Lots of stuff I had never seen before. Amazing stuff.

Alternative Tentacles will be releasing some of my band's early live recordings.
_Blackjack
Posted on Wednesday, September 4, 2002 - 9:52 am:   Edit PostPrint Post


Quote:

At least the Sex Pistols and the Clash started something reasonably original and didn't just try to build a career out of something that died 20 years ago (and I don't mean Kennedy).



The Dead Kennedys formed in 1978 and broke up in 1986. Punk was hardly dead at that point, and was, in fact, at it's peak in California and DC.

As for originality, DK did something neither the Pistols nor the Clash managed to do, which was to get international exposure while putting out their own records. They didn't invent DIY, but they certainly proved it could work.

They were also the first band ever criminally prosecuted in the US because of the content of a record...
Marccampbell
Posted on Tuesday, September 3, 2002 - 7:56 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

my new e-mail address is hippiemc@taosnet.com
Lordhobgoblin
Posted on Tuesday, September 3, 2002 - 12:56 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"The Pistols and The Clash think they ripped off the majors but it was Joe Public who'd been ripped. They helped noone but themselves,..."

They were never under any illusion about what they were doing, they never pretended to be 'Robin Hood' figures on some 'noble cause'.

The Dead Kennedys are no different from this, except that they think they are. At least the Sex Pistols and the Clash started something reasonably original and didn't just try to build a career out of something that died 20 years ago (and I don't mean Kennedy).

If an artist is against commercialism then that's fine, just play in small-town bars for a few dollars. Once you start selling records big-time claiming to be against commercialism doesn't stack up. Why should artists be expected to feel guilty about making money from records? If you wrote the song then you are entitled to do what you like with it.
_Blackjack
Posted on Tuesday, September 3, 2002 - 12:18 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Ah, there's no use trying to find logic in the minds of marketing execs.
Nascentvirion
Posted on Tuesday, September 3, 2002 - 11:34 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Maybe it had something to do with child labor in Asia,who knows?
Marccampbell
Posted on Tuesday, September 3, 2002 - 9:53 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Bjacques,

yes Jello was the roadie for my first band, The Ravers. He remains a dear friend.
_Blackjack
Posted on Tuesday, September 3, 2002 - 8:10 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Of course, the OTHER members of DK wanted to say yes, or at least that's Jello's side of the story (which I am prone to believe), leading to much ugliness. I still can't see how it was supposed to sell pants.

"Well you'll work harder with a gun in your back,
For a bowl of rice a day,
Slave for soldiers 'till you starve,
Then your head skewered on a stake."

Ooh, where do I sign up?

Robert Wuhl did a routine about the folks who petitioned to get the NJ state song changed to "Born to Run".

"'Baby this town rips the bones from your back...' Tourism is gonna SOAR!"
Wolfgang
Posted on Tuesday, September 3, 2002 - 8:02 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Sorry if I'm a bit late on the thread, I don't check the forum as often as before.

The ultimate reason for the slowing down of the forum is in the announcements section : "FORBIDDEN SUBJECTS".

Post related to those now forbidden subjects added some magic to the forum. To those who have access to those "forbidden subjects", it was interesting to share and to those who don't, it was like peeking into the arcane of the mysterious drink. Now we can only talk about commercial absinthes and there's not much to say about it once the reviews are out. There was a lot of interesting infos posted about "forbidden subjects" that was usefull to better understand our drink of choice but now even the archives are gone and I don't believe it is only to make some place on the server...

Correct me Kal. if I'm wrong but I think our dear admin is slowly drowning the baby. She probably have good reasons to do it doo.

Now do we have a knowledgeable volunteer to start a new forum based in a country where absinthe is legal ?
Bjacques
Posted on Tuesday, September 3, 2002 - 4:37 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

What's even more disturbing is how much Situationist slogans sound like management motivational nuggets.

Be Realistic...demand the impossible!

Take your desires for reality!

By the way, Jello used to be a roadie for The Nails, when they were a Colorado punk band called the Ravers (http://www.jellobiafra.com).
Mr_Rabid
Posted on Tuesday, September 3, 2002 - 1:38 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I will never be suprised by that again.

Janis Joplin 'Oh lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz..' on a you-guessed-it commercial about five years ago.

I will never, never buy one of thier cars, even were I so inclined. If I ever become incredibly rich, I will crush thier company for the sake of crushing it.

I will make them sell their assets and their name to Yugo or maybe Kia.

As I tell the crestfallen board members and executives the news, I will play Janis and smile.

I will have them all killed a week later.
Marccampbell
Posted on Monday, September 2, 2002 - 9:29 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Levi Strauss wanted to use "Holidays In Cambodia" for a jean ad and Jello said no.
Nascentvirion
Posted on Monday, September 2, 2002 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I bet you'll never hear a Dead Kennedys song or The Exploited being used in a car commerical. Crass said "The Pistols and The Clash think they ripped off the majors but it was Joe Public who'd been ripped. They helped noone but themselves, started another facile fashion, brought a new lease of life to London's trendy Kings Road and claimed they'd started a revoultion."
Marccampbell
Posted on Monday, September 2, 2002 - 7:41 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

black,

yer right, 88 Lines sounds like a jingle and in a way it was an advertisement for my dick.
_Blackjack
Posted on Monday, September 2, 2002 - 6:29 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Well, with all due respect, "88 Lines" is a totally different kind of song. It's a wry, catchy "ode to fucking", which seems a perfectly appropriate way to sell a car. I wasn't taken a back to hear "Should I Stay or Should I Go", for instance, in some alcopop commercial, since it was bascially a commercial song to start with. But "London Calling", specifically, was a deeply politically charged, angry cry against pretty much everything that is represented by owning a Jaguar. For the sake of my sanity, I'm hoping it went off something like this:

"'Ullo? Yeah, this is Joe Strummer...you want to license WHAT? For a...Jaguar advert? And you've listened too that one all the way through, have you? No, no, no need. I think it would be perfect for you. It pretty much sums up exactly how I feel about your fine comapany. Yeah, that's 'Strummer' with two m's. Cheers!"
[JOE HANGS UP AND COLLAPSES ON THE FLOOR IN LAUGHTER...]
Marccampbell
Posted on Monday, September 2, 2002 - 4:00 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

black,

I never that my ode to fucking would ever be used as commercial jingle, but it was. It seems that the folks who grew up on punk and new wave are now
the target group (agewise) of the the advertising agency. The Clash is the new nostalgia.
_Blackjack
Posted on Monday, September 2, 2002 - 3:54 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I recently saw a Jaguar ad using the Clash's "London Calling".

"Engines stop running but I have no fear..."

Kinda sums up the British-car-owning experience, I'm told. I was a little put off by the idea at first, but really, it's brilliantly subversive. The song (for those of you who aren't cool) is essentially an apocalyptic vision of the fall that corrupt Western society brought upon itself. The message: "If you buy this car, you're going to drown in your own filth." The problem is, for many that's a selling point...

"The ice age is coming, the sun is zooming in,"

Bobcat Goldthwait used to joke that the music he grew up on would never be turned into advertizing, because no right-minded person would want Johnny Rotten endorsing their product:

"Fuck you fuck I'm the bleedin' antichrist...Seagrams!"

Irony is dead! Long live irony.
Raschied
Posted on Monday, September 2, 2002 - 12:23 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

What's even worse is the scene from Easy Rider being used as an ad, with someone else digitally inserted on Dennis Hopper's motorcycle. The ad is even so effective, I can't remember what the hell they are selling.

A movie, selling a lifestyle, now selling a product. Give it a fucking rest, Madison Avenue.
Marccampbell
Posted on Monday, September 2, 2002 - 10:42 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

bjacques,

the folks at New Buffalo said no to any shooting of Easy Rider at their commune. So Hopper and his crew duplicated it somewhere in southern California. The commune scene in Easy Rider makes me cringe. Its so fake.
Raschied
Posted on Monday, September 2, 2002 - 5:20 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Geez, Marc - you could've been my father, except Mom split outta SF in '71 when I was 3 weeks old and moved to a commune near Grass Valley. From there, we went to Tillamook, Oregon, where she ran into the man who raised me until I was 10 years old.

Nevermind - I'll take this to a different thread.
Bjacques
Posted on Monday, September 2, 2002 - 2:06 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I've never been there, but that place looks very familiar. Did they use it in "Easy Rider?"

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