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Pokerface11
Posted on Saturday, October 5, 2002 - 3:34 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Bellypock - I don't think I'll be able to squeeze in THE SORROW AND THE PITY, though I want to. Will see LOST HORIZON (original with Ronald Colman) Saturday night, and I also want to see SPIRITED AWAY, maybe on Sunday. I also have a video to view, I AM CUBA. I've been wanting to see this for a long time and finally ran across a copy of it at the library.
Marc
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 11:49 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

MANHUNTER will still be appreciated decades from now while Brett Ratner's vomitous RED DRAGON will have sunk to the bottom of the cinematic cesspool.
Bellypock
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 10:22 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

What are you checking out this weekend, Poker?
Shayne
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 9:15 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hey nils, two for flinchin'....
Shayne
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 9:13 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

The preceding was a review in 'Slate' not mine and it was the reason he didn't believe Red Dragon would make it with the hardcore crowd. The Art Museum mentioned is the High in Atlanta.
Shayne
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 9:09 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Manhunter—filmed under the title Red Dragon but changed because the studio thought it sounded vaguely Japanese—featured CSI's William Petersen as Graham and Tom Noonan as the deformed serial killer Francis Dolarhyde, who enters the houses of sleeping suburban families and butchers them, then puts shards of mirrors in their eyes so he can see his "reflected glory." It also featured a subdued Brian Cox in the peripheral (but thematically central) role of Lecter (for some reason spelled "Lector"), the forensic psychiatrist and cannibalistic madman who had nearly killed Graham some years before. The use of this sociopath as a consultant—a sort of psycho-killer emeritus—was at the time rather shocking, although it's now the stuff of Austin Powers parodies.
Few movies open as disturbingly as Manhunter. The camera—to the accompaniment of a droning synthesizer—follows the beam of a flashlight through a dark house, up a staircase, to a bedroom where a couple lies asleep. The beam falls on the woman, who tosses briefly, then sits up and stares into the harsh light—whereupon the image, mercifully, goes black. This is, of course, the trek of Dolarhyde, who will slaughter the family in that house; but it could also be the vision of Petersen's Graham as he relives the night of carnage while staring at crime-scene glossies and bloodstained chalk-outlines. They're on the same eerie wavelength.
Manhunter is a movie with obvious howlers: a Miami-Vice-like overreliance on synthesized sludge like Red 7's "Heartbeat" (although Iron Butterfly's "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" works like a dream); a tendency to dress all the characters in $1,000 suits; the use of a modernist art museum as the exterior of a psychiatric prison. But its scenes of Graham wandering the crime scene and murmuring into his tape recorder are mesmerizing. Manhunter sired CSI and John Doe and Profiler and Millennium and all the other TV shows and movies that borrowed both Harris' theme and Mann's hypnotic tone. After this, thrillers would not only become positively fetishistic about forensics, they'd also tend to fixate on a single protagonist who would wander fresh murder sites and re-live the slaughter from the killer's point-of-view—who would be able, at a terrible cost, to plunge deep into a psycho's roiling psyche. Manhunter ushered in the age of empathy for the devil.
Pokerface11
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 7:17 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Kallisti. I was hoping Marc would be the primary cheerleader, but he's gone all Hollywood on us. I can keep the embers glowing, but I need the regulars to kindle the blaze.
Admin
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 7:11 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

aw, we're plenty good at joining in, but you definately need a cheerleader or frequent film posts to keep us off topic. hehe.

but many of the forumite regulars perked right up when they saw something they could contribute too.

but the main topic here *is* absinthe, so anything else we must be hit repeatedly over the head with.

I'd just like to re-iterate that all ya'll are still welcome, wander about as you like.
Pokerface11
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 7:02 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Why, thank you, Marc. I'm happy to post here, but as you say, I think the regulars here are into absinthe and not much else. At least at the NYT (which has been less chat, more movies lately), there is some response.

I'm going to the Chicago International Film Festival next week, and I encourage any Chicago-based forumites here to get out and see some shows (especially DOG DAYS). And FYI, the Block Museum is showing THE SORROW AND THE PITY tomorrow. I hope to attend, even though I'll be seeing the Ronald Colman LOST HORIZON later that evening.
Marc
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 6:49 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

nilson,

the NYTimes film forum members are essentially conservative. They're very comfortable where they are. I was surprised and disappointed that they didn't embrace this site as much as I'd hoped they would. I think its because the NYTimes forum has pretty much disintegrated into a chat room and people there are more into shooting the shit than discussing film. I haven't had the time to contribute to the sepulchritude film forum as much as I'd like. I've been busy working on a film here in Taos. But, I plan to spend a little more time here. I think we need to find some movies that will galvanize this forum. I don't think RED DRAGON will do it.

Another part of the problem is that the sepulchritude crowd doesn't seem to be as movie obsessed as THE TIMES crowd. The real focus here is the buying, selling, drinking, and shipping of absinthe. Most threads involving the arts die a quick and quiet death.

I'd like to thank Poker for making some very valuable contributions to this site. She's a true believer.
Nilson
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 4:36 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Shayne, with all respect, I'm going to unscrew your head
and pee down the neckhole.

I have access to NYT through another ISP and handle, so your leg-pull is over.

Lanman
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 4:16 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I'm curious how Red Dragon will compare to Manhunter.
Shayne
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 4:12 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Nils, I keep telling you the forums arn't down you musta done something.
Nilson
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 12:50 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

This new FF is not as lively as I'd anticipated. Especially with the NYT one being down today.
Nilson
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 12:48 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I guess I'll see Red Dragon, though I'm suspicious of remakes and even more suspicious of remakes that are prequels out to milk the Lecter cash cow.
Shayne
Posted on Friday, October 4, 2002 - 7:05 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I've always gone in for John Carpenters idea on Vampires, you can't be sure about what hurts them until you try it. This is especially true of his movie endevores after that sponcered trash he just let Tommy Lee Wallace release in his name. Wallace seems doomed to screw-up almost everytime out.
Lanman
Posted on Thursday, October 3, 2002 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I wrote a short screenplay years ago where they specifically drank absinthe at the vampire bar.
2loucheltrec
Posted on Thursday, October 3, 2002 - 5:23 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

mmmmm, sex and absinthe, what a wonderful combo... and a little blood fetish never hurt anyone (much)!
Barsnake
Posted on Thursday, October 3, 2002 - 3:26 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Don't know exactly where this belongs...
Anyway - I was flipping through the channels last night and there was a softcore porn movie that is apparently one of a series called Thrills. This particular episode was about an writter that was doing a story on a vampire. Yes, it did have all of the required stereotypes. Thats one of the things porn is good for, right? Well there was also a mention of Absinthe and how it was extremely poisonous to vampires. This guy comes in drinking absinthe trying to kiss the vampire to kill her. The vampire wouldn't let him kiss her, but proceeded to screw his brains out - not fearing the effects of the dreaded absinthe. - Pretty funny stuff.
Marc
Posted on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 8:58 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

well, lets flow to the movies.
2loucheltrec
Posted on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 5:58 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

ebb and flow, marc, as with everything...
Marc
Posted on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 9:26 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

well, the Film Forum has gone to hell in a handbasket.
Nilson
Posted on Monday, September 23, 2002 - 6:45 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Sorry. I got some kind of server error and then it posted it twice.
Nilson
Posted on Monday, September 23, 2002 - 6:45 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"This is not my goddamn planet, monkey boy!" - John Bigboote.
Nilson
Posted on Monday, September 23, 2002 - 6:44 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"This is not my goddamn planet, monkey boy!" - John Bigboote

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