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Michael (Turangalila)
Mousquetaire
Username: Turangalila

Post Number: 10
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 6:18 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hey all -

Thanks for the advice. I'm off to Paris and won't be checking things for about three and a half weeks. See you later :-)

Michael
The Red Pigeon (Icarus)
Elitist Bastard
Username: Icarus

Post Number: 411
Registered: 4-2003


Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2003 - 10:26 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Maybe you can sell the book through this site, sign the copies and give little ms."K" (soon to be "P") a kickback...

ENORMUS DICK (Louched_liver)
Absinthe Mafia
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Post Number: 2019
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2003 - 10:13 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

TarantulaLingual sez:
"the impression I've gotten even from people like Louchie (who is always rambling about '2ndfairies')"
Hee, hee (NOT he, he), yep that's me alrighty. Well, if one would drink more than one glass (and sipped over an hour, I'm guessing), maybe would see what the fuck I'm rambling about.
And Artemis sez:
"It's not the sort of thing you'd notice if you weren't sitting there quietly contemplating what's happening to you." Goddam 10-4 to that! But, I've noticed at parties where I pack my flask of absinthe, that the drinkers of "normal" booze in the crowd lose their lucidity way before I do.





Hi, what're ya havin'?
Quidam (Artemis)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Artemis

Post Number: 819
Registered: 10-2000


Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2003 - 5:01 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I don't want to speak for Oxygenee, but I'm confident he was only referring to the lack of harm, medically speaking, done to people by absinthe other than what can be attributed to alcohol. What LL raves about is something else again.

Whether absinthe has psychotropic effects beyond alcohol is disputed. Personally, I'm confident it does, but it's not a train wreck sort of impact. It's not the sort of thing you'd notice if you weren't sitting there quietly contemplating what's happening to you.

And yes, that's the book. Don't expect something profound, or you'll be disappointed. But if this forum amuses you, it should do so as well. At least it doesn't have a horribly twisted title like the one you mentioned!

"Those old books are no longer protected by copyright laws and are now public domain, so it would be nice if someone who has some could post them somewhere."

In French, they're no longer protected by copyright. In English, the copyright is owned by the translator.

"I just want to read some of them, I'm not into collecting."

You mean you're not into spending $700 for an old dusty book? But you do want to read it. So someone who DID spend the cash should post it. After laboriously translating it from French, that is.
Quelle vie ont eue nos grands-parents
Entre l'absinthe et les grands-messes... ?

Michael (Turangalila)
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Username: Turangalila

Post Number: 9
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 9:56 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Huh, did you go to Sarah Lawrence? I have a friend who's headed there next year.

I make no claims for the quality of someone else's work. Especially involved in Reed's psychology department, which is middling to mediocre. Most of the psych stuff sounds to me like bullshit.

It's strange that Absinthe is considered (at least as Oxygenee stated, below) to have no secondary medical effects though - the impression I've gotten even from people like Louchie (who is always rambling about '2ndfairies') and others on this board is that there's at least a subjectively distinct experience. Perhaps it could all be caused by expectations or imagined. The few times I've had Absinthe (la Bleue #1) I never drank more than a glass so I couldn't tell if there was a difference. It was just a good-tasting drink.

Wolfgang, I didn't realise that Van Gogh was buried there - that's another good excuse to go :-) It sounds terribly charming. The little towns are the best part of France - after Paris, we're staying in a farmhouse in Provence in a town of 80 people, in the middle of lavender seasaon. It should be great.

Artemis - in a different post someone mentioned a book that will eventually be published with you, Peter (?) and Benoit Noel as authers. Is that what you were referring to?
Bob (I_b_puffin)
le Duc
Username: I_b_puffin

Post Number: 132
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Those old books are no longer protected by copyright laws and are now public domain, so it would be nice if someone who has some could post them somewhere.

I just want to read some of them, I'm not into collecting.
Jack Collins (_blackjack_)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: _blackjack_

Post Number: 1027
Registered: 11-2000


Posted on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 4:42 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post


quote:

Thujone and the absinthe-minded French: a holistic view of the absinthe epidemic and the investigation of the reinforcing effects of thujone using the place conditioning paradigm




Sounds like something from the Postmodernism Generator.

I knew people at Sarah Lawrence who really wrote that kind of crap...
Quidam (Artemis)
Absinthe Mafia
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Post Number: 817
Registered: 10-2000


Posted on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 3:32 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"The things which I'm most interested in reading about are medical research on Absinthe's effects, as well as the process of creation and distillation of Absinthe."

There is almost no legitimate research on Absinthe's effects, as Oxy quite correctly pointed out, so you can save yourself the effort of looking for that, ESPECIALLY in French. The second subject is what I presumed you meant, and those are the books to which I had reference. They were all published before 1915, almost exclusively in French, and although they pop up now and then, they command prices well over what they did even two years ago.

"Actually what's really funny is that some guy named Leo J. Sim wrote a thesis for our psychology department entitled "Thujone and the absinthe-minded French: a holistic view of the absinthe epidemic and the investigation of the reinforcing effects of thujone using the place conditioning paradigm" "

Sad is a better word than funny, unless it's intended to be a comedy. Setting aside that the title is gibberish, there was never any "absinthe epidemic" in France, and the very relationship of thujone to absinthe, let alone its "effects" are almost as much a mystery today as it was in France in 1915.

"but it has to be at least somewhat tolerable if he squeezed a degree out of it."

I see no logic whatsoever in that claim.
Quelle vie ont eue nos grands-parents
Entre l'absinthe et les grands-messes... ?

Moonman's friend (Wolfgang)
Elitist Bastard
Username: Wolfgang

Post Number: 959
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 11:24 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"I suppose I should really just stop by Auvers-sur-Oise"

O damn yes! Don't miss it!

Make sure Mme Delahaye will be there when you go there (sometimes she's only there on weekends).

Just to walk in this little town is magic (the old stones, the "haunted" church and Van Gogh's tomb).

I insist, don't miss it!

Oxygenee (Oxygenee)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Oxygenee

Post Number: 135
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 11:13 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

There's very little really worthwhile written on the medical effects of absinthe. The current view is, simply put, that there aren't any (or rather none over and above those caused by alcohol). Ian Hutton's excellent "Seperating Myth from Reality"on this website, will give you an overview.

Regarding bookshops in Paris, Pierre Verte would be the one to ask, but together with Ian, Ted, and the Empress of Tucson he's currently in Boveresse for the annual Worldwide Convocation of Absinthe Nerds.
Michael (Turangalila)
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Username: Turangalila

Post Number: 8
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 10:36 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

The things which I'm most interested in reading about are medical research on Absinthe's effects, as well as the process of creation and distillation of Absinthe. Not, to clarify, because I have any desire to distill myself, but because that's the part of it which I find the most intriguing. Which sources would be most along those lines?

Actually what's really funny is that some guy named Leo J. Sim wrote a thesis for our psychology department entitled "Thujone and the absinthe-minded French: a holistic view of the absinthe epidemic and the investigation of the reinforcing effects of thujone using the place conditioning paradigm" that I stumbled onto a little while ago when I was searching around. I'm not sure if it's going to be decent, but it has to be at least somewhat tolerable if he squeezed a degree out of it. Unfortunately I won't have access to our library until August, but I'll let people know if it's anything decent.
Michael (Turangalila)
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Username: Turangalila

Post Number: 7
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 10:09 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Oxygenee: I'm going to be in Paris in a week - do you know of any bookstores there that will stock these books, or should I try to order them online instead? (I suppose I should really just stop by Auvers-Sur-Oise... speaking to people in French is still a little intimidating though!)

I'm not too interested in collectables or acquiring things that are rare - I really just want more information and history on what I'm drinking. :-) Thanks for the helpful information.
Oxygenee (Oxygenee)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Oxygenee

Post Number: 134
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 4:27 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

There's not really a paucity of information on absinthe, and there are many good books. In English, Conrad's "History in a Bottle" is an excellent introduction, and well illustrated. In French, all of MC Delahaye's books are worthwhile - particularly useful and still currently available are the general history "Absinthe - Son Histoire", as well as the more specialised "Absinthe - Les Cuilleres", "Absinthe - Les Affiches" and "Absinthe, Muse des Poetes". If you can't find them from one of the online French book sites, write (in French) to Madame Delahaye directly at: mcdelaha@ccr.jussieu.fr . She's a charming lady, and will ship directly on receipt of your cheque. Her earlier books, and her journal "L'Absinthe" are mostly out of print, but all worth getting if you find them.

Benoit Noel is the other French author currently active in the field - he's written several slim books on the subject - generally more informal in style and less structured than the Delahaye books, but nontheless accurate and informative.

Original pre 1915 books are, as Artemis says, hard to find and expensive. There are many serious collectors in France, so the rarest books get snapped up quckly, usually before they are listed online. Probably the most important are the Pernod Fils catalogues, published in 1896 and again in 1905, and Couleru's "Au pays d'absinthe" which is the primary sourcebook.
Quidam (Artemis)
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Username: Artemis

Post Number: 815
Registered: 10-2000


Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 1:52 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Seriously, if you read French as well as you say you do, searching for these books is a snap on the Internet.

Hint: They aren't in America. Be prepared to spend. $700 a book is not at all uncommon these days, as increasingly the sellers realize what they've got. Even the best modern books are mostly out of print. I can't speak to journals and such; maybe Peter or Oxygenee could comment.
Quelle vie ont eue nos grands-parents
Entre l'absinthe et les grands-messes... ?

Quidam (Artemis)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Artemis

Post Number: 814
Registered: 10-2000


Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 1:48 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"I'm *sure* there have to be decent books out there,"

Yes.

"and equally sure that some of you have put time into finding them... "

Not to mention money. Some people buy "absinthe", or more rarely, absinthe. Some people buy absinthe books.

"I hope you'll be willing to share."

Not. A new book will be coming out soon in English that's pretty cool, though. Watch this space for further announcements.
Quelle vie ont eue nos grands-parents
Entre l'absinthe et les grands-messes... ?

Michael (Turangalila)
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Username: Turangalila

Post Number: 6
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 1:01 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

No, no, unfortunately not. My parents never got around to it. It's one of the great tragedies of my youth ;)

(I b puffin, yes; see below.)
steena faustus (Faustus)
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Username: Faustus

Post Number: 10
Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 9:12 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Can you read english? ;)

Quote: "I read French fairly fluently..."

Bob (I_b_puffin)
le Duc
Username: I_b_puffin

Post Number: 131
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 8:24 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Can you read French?
Michael (Turangalila)
Paysan
Username: Turangalila

Post Number: 5
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 11:28 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I've been doing a few really casual searches for books on Absinthe and none of those which came up seemed to be terribly good. I feel like there's a paucity of information on Absinthe, and wondered if any of you have favorite books which you find especially interesting or informative which you could recommend, or if you could point me to places to look. I read French fairly fluently and am prepared to put some effort into finding the books, so language and scarcity aren't really a problem. Journal articles are also great.

Which books have helped you along the way?

I'm *sure* there have to be decent books out there, and equally sure that some of you have put time into finding them... I hope you'll be willing to share.

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