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2LY!!! (2loucheltrec)
le Duc
Username: 2loucheltrec

Post Number: 295
Registered: 3-2002


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 6:08 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

i've got the trimmer but only a dozen or so bamboo needles... mine is style# VV-XVI, it's taller and has much storage space than kallisti's... my great uncle had one of the edison's and some cylinders, that also reminds me... he had a couple absolutely beautiful tiffany lamps too (god i loved their house)... i haven't looked through the records yet there's probably a couple hundred of 'em to dive into.... ok, here i go....
Jay & The Imp (Thegreenimp)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Thegreenimp

Post Number: 333
Registered: 7-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 4:34 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2182110441&category=1442

I love the disclaimer on the seller of this Crap-O-Phone......."This authentic-looking Gramophone has all the original working parts, however it is intended to be a DECORATIVE PIECE ONLY WE DO NOT GUARENTEE THIS TO BE AN OPERATIONAL GRAMOPHONE!! It comes complete with a needle, variable speed setting and a 1920's style 78 speed record."

You can't even use 'em for parts.

Remember to change your needle after every play.
Jay & The Imp (Thegreenimp)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Thegreenimp

Post Number: 332
Registered: 7-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 4:19 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Bamboo needles are great if you have a trimmer, and Cactus needles (Not straight off the plant) are good if you have the pointer (I have one of those and use them on high dollar 78's)......the trimmers and pointers, are very collectable in their own right.
Fibre needles have a very pleasant sound BTW.
Also steel needles come in loud, medium, and soft tone, (different thickness).......and I haven't even gotten to the Edisons yet.......Wait till you get into the difference between horizontal and Vertical cut records....Edison Diamond Discs (which you can only play on a Diamond Disc machine (no steel needles ever)
Remember to change your needle after every play.
2LY!!! (2loucheltrec)
le Duc
Username: 2loucheltrec

Post Number: 294
Registered: 3-2002


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 4:07 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Always change them after every play, the needles are soft steel, and they wear going through the grooves."

you can always use the bamboo "needles" and trim them after each play, i'll have to look to see what model my victrola is (it's been passed down through the family). i'll look through the huge pile of 78's to see if i have a copy of the record you're looking for rimbaud.
Jay & The Imp (Thegreenimp)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Thegreenimp

Post Number: 330
Registered: 7-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 4:06 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Crap-O-Phones.......Let's put it this way, the guy selling for his minimum bid, is still making money.....wholesale they are worthless......pick up one for fifty bucks and use it as a decorator piece.
Remember to change your needle after every play.
Mrs. Head (Admin)
Madame Guillotine
Username: Admin

Post Number: 1148
Registered: 1-1998


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 3:50 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

crapophone:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2181948110

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2182015698

There are tons of these and ones like these out there. Beware the shiney horn!



A lady who has a secure seat is never prettier than when in the saddle, and she who cannot make her conquest there, may despair of the power of her charms elsewhere. - THE MANNERS THAT WIN, 1880

http://www.feeverte.net
Mrs. Head (Admin)
Madame Guillotine
Username: Admin

Post Number: 1147
Registered: 1-1998


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Here's the garage sale cabinet vic that don't work (someone elses pic tho), it is a vv 4-4 Orthophonic (non-electric), also known as The Grenada:

http://www.victor-victrola.com/GRANADA%20PHOTOPAGE.htm

Thought I think mine is walnut. It is much darker.

Ain't she purty? I'd love to get her working. The arm pin is busted and she runs, but I can't adjust the speed and it only runs at chipmonk speed. Er, I think I got the speed knob to move, and she still runs at chipmonk speed.




A lady who has a secure seat is never prettier than when in the saddle, and she who cannot make her conquest there, may despair of the power of her charms elsewhere. - THE MANNERS THAT WIN, 1880

http://www.feeverte.net
Marc Chevalier (Chevalier)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Chevalier

Post Number: 1316
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 2:53 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Always change them after every play ..."

There must have been a hell of a steel needle industry back then. Then again, there was once a demand for detachable collars made of cardboard, so --
Mrs. Head (Admin)
Madame Guillotine
Username: Admin

Post Number: 1146
Registered: 1-1998


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 2:49 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Oh, and thanks for the congrats!!!
A lady who has a secure seat is never prettier than when in the saddle, and she who cannot make her conquest there, may despair of the power of her charms elsewhere. - THE MANNERS THAT WIN, 1880

http://www.feeverte.net
Mrs. Head (Admin)
Madame Guillotine
Username: Admin

Post Number: 1145
Registered: 1-1998


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 2:48 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I have some pics at home. I posted one here not too long ago, If I can find it I'll reference it.

I'll also have to look up where I bought my machine from. I originally found a large late 20's cabinet victrola (40? maybe?) that is all frozen up, but it was only $50 at a garage sale. I failed to find someone locally to fix it so now it is just a giant gorgeous tudor-style piece of furniture.

So I did a buncha research and bought an awesome restored VIII (internal horn=much cheaper!). I think he was in Texas, you might know him impy. Will look up.

Someday I still plan to take out the motor on the busted one and ship to Mr. Guy in Texas to fix... but not a priority right now.




A lady who has a secure seat is never prettier than when in the saddle, and she who cannot make her conquest there, may despair of the power of her charms elsewhere. - THE MANNERS THAT WIN, 1880

http://www.feeverte.net
Jay & The Imp (Thegreenimp)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Thegreenimp

Post Number: 328
Registered: 7-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 2:04 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Always change them after every play, the needles are soft steel, and they wear going through the grooves.
If you reuse them you will wear the record out.
Yes, that is the way they were designed to be used..........They are still being made, and in abundant supply.
Another thing to look for if you want a more modern phonograph to just play vintage records on, is to pick up a Calfone school room record player (lots of 'em out there)....the play very old records well......(I have one, and use it for very rare 78's)
Jay & The Imp (Thegreenimp)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Thegreenimp

Post Number: 327
Registered: 7-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 1:57 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Get on Kurt Nauck's record list....he lives up in the far north end of the city, here in humidity cental.
He could tell you some specific discs.

http://www.78rpm.com/
Moonman's friend (Wolfgang)
Elitist Bastard
Username: Wolfgang

Post Number: 977
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 1:56 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

''change your needle after every play.''

Are you serious ? Every play ?! Don`t you use one for at least a couple of disc ?
21st Century Rimbaud (Rimbaud)
le Duc
Username: Rimbaud

Post Number: 128
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 1:48 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks for the info, Imp. I'll drop you an email when I'm ready to buy...
Jay & The Imp (Thegreenimp)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Thegreenimp

Post Number: 326
Registered: 7-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 1:44 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Btw....Tim Gracyk's site has good links, I bought an Edison from a friend of his.

http://www.antiquephono.com/ Dennis & Patti Valenti do incredible restoration work, I've dealt with them before and they are first rate.
Jay & The Imp (Thegreenimp)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Thegreenimp

Post Number: 325
Registered: 7-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 1:26 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Phonographs, did somebody say Phonographs?

I haven't encountered too much in the way of Absinthe recordings on 78 yet,.....your best bet for getting information on individual discs is to query a member of ARSC.

http://www.arsc-audio.org/

As for getting a good wind-up machine avoid antique shops, they usually cost too much, and are not always in good shape.
And avoid the slew of Crap-O-Phones (Victor reproductions coming out of India, the ones with the big brass horns)

http://oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com

Drop me a line and I'd be glad to make some specific recomendations on machines.





Remember to change your needle after every play.
21st Century Rimbaud (Rimbaud)
le Duc
Username: Rimbaud

Post Number: 127
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 1:14 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Yeah, I've been checking out all those avenues. I'll keep looking though...
Marc Chevalier (Chevalier)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Chevalier

Post Number: 1315
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 1:07 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Yeah, it's a shame. Bad enough that (good) absinthe is expensive ... why does the CD have to be too? It's like paying Betty a bundle to sip a teaspoon of vintage Pernod.

Have you tried:

1. looking through websites that specialize in selling old 78s (mostly via mail auctions, it seems);

2. contracting sellers of 78s to look for you;

3. trying eBay until you hit paydirt?

Of course, it would be good if one of us has what you're looking for.





21st Century Rimbaud (Rimbaud)
le Duc
Username: Rimbaud

Post Number: 126
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 12:54 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hey, Kallisti! Thanks for the links. I've been to the first site, but not the second one, which I'll definitely check out. Do you have a pic handy of your Victrola that you could post?

p.s.- Congratulations to yourself and Mr. Prosthesis on your engagement! I guess absinthe really does make the heart grow fonder (sorry, I had to say it).
21st Century Rimbaud (Rimbaud)
le Duc
Username: Rimbaud

Post Number: 125
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 12:48 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks, y'all! Marc, I did actually come across that cd but I noticed, as you pointed out, that "Absinthe Frappe" is only part of a medley, and probably lasts about 30 seconds. It's also a really expensive cd to boot. I was hoping that maybe it was recorded as a seperate song and released on a 78 at some point. Oh well, the search continues...
Mrs. Head (Admin)
Madame Guillotine
Username: Admin

Post Number: 1143
Registered: 1-1998


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 11:59 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Rimbaud, be sure to talk to GreenImp when yer ready to buy a Victrola, he's a phonograph nut.

I have a Mahogany Victor Victrola VIII, but I'm just a fan. heehee.

Also, read this site: http://www.garlic.com/~tgracyk/

and http://www.nipperhead.com/

they're so fun! also, Nipperhead has scans of alot of the manuals, but you can also find them on ebay.




A lady who has a secure seat is never prettier than when in the saddle, and she who cannot make her conquest there, may despair of the power of her charms elsewhere. - THE MANNERS THAT WIN, 1880

http://www.feeverte.net
Marc Chevalier (Chevalier)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Chevalier

Post Number: 1312
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 11:21 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

One last thing. Track 7 appears to be 2.5 minute-long "medley" of songs from IT HAPPENED IN NORDLAND. It could well be that "Absinthe Frappe" was never recorded as a single. IT HAPPENED IN NORDLAND was a moderately successful show; but by Victor ("Naughty Marietta") Herbert standards, hardly noteworthy.
Marc Chevalier (Chevalier)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Chevalier

Post Number: 1310
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 10:32 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

You can buy Volume One here:

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1611987&cart=150094738&style=music

and listen to samples of the songs (but alas, not "Absinthe Frappe") here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000589ZW/ref=sr_aps_classical_1_3/026-1752721-1502060




Marc Chevalier (Chevalier)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Chevalier

Post Number: 1309
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 10:22 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

This may be the CD you're looking for, Rimbaud. It contains an original 1912 recording (with vocals) of "Absinthe Frappe":

BROADWAY THROUGH THE GRAMOPHONE (1844-1929): New York in European Footsteps (4 volumes)
Various singers, choruses and orchestras of the Victor, Columbia and Brunswick record companies
Volume 1 1844-1909 PEARL: GMS 0082 Mono ADD [CD1 78.16, CD2 75.51]


Volume 1: CD2

Track 7. IT HAPPENED IN NORDLAND Herbert Music, MacDonough Words.

(Victor Light Opera Company: Rec 1912. Victor 3185l)

"Long Live the Queen", "Absinthe Frappe", "The Knot of Blue", "Bandana Land".
Intermezzo: Al Fresco, Commandress-in-Chief




Absinthe frappe
21st Century Rimbaud (Rimbaud)
le Duc
Username: Rimbaud

Post Number: 124
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2003 - 10:04 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Anyone know where I can find a recording (with vocals) of the song "Absinthe Frappe" by Victor Herbert & Glenn MacDonough? I've been searching the net for an MP3 or an audio clip for some time now, and I've come up with nothing. I've also been searching for a cd that might have the song on it, but have only come up with a recent recording of an orchestral version, with no vocals. I'd be especially interested in finding an old 78 of the song, as I plan on buying an antique Victrola in the near future. Also, does anyone know which vocalist(s) recorded the song when it was popular shortly after the turn of the century? Anyone info would be greatly appreciated...

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