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21st Century Rimbaud (Rimbaud)
le Duc
Username: Rimbaud

Post Number: 200
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 6:43 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

BATF. Hmmmmm....does that stand for "Ban All Thujone, Fucker!!!" ?
Jack Collins (_blackjack_)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: _blackjack_

Post Number: 1125
Registered: 11-2000


Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Generally speaking, the FDA doesn't put a lot of effort into enforcement the way the BATF does. They have an enforcement arm, and have shut down a few factories manufacturing questionable medical devices. However, since their nacotics bureau was incorporated into the DEA under Justice back in the '70's, the chances of having anybody kick in your door saying "FDA! Get down on the floor!" are pretty slim. Remember, the BATF is a part of the Treasury dept. There is a direct monitary incentive for them to enforce their regulations.

BATF:jack-booted thug::FDA:lead-footed slug
Georgie Boy (Mighty Fine Young Man) (Lediablevert)
le Duc
Username: Lediablevert

Post Number: 149
Registered: 6-2003


Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 3:40 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Exactly, Jack.
The FDA is just the BATF wearing
a different badge. They're all
the same.
>-I AM TROLLING FOR WALLEYE*> >--walleye-/*>
>----walleye--/*>
Jack Collins (_blackjack_)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: _blackjack_

Post Number: 1123
Registered: 11-2000


Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 12:26 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post


quote:

Hey Bob, to my knowledge,
they've also said that wormwood is an O.K.
to use food additive in limited
quanities.




It is allowed as an additive in FINISHED foods, as long as there is no detectable thujone, and it is used in the "the minimum quantity required to produce their intended physical or technical effect". "Finished foods" does not include beverages.

Artemisia spp. aren't the herbs under these same conditions. White cedar and oak moss have the same restrictions. Interestingly, tansy is only allowed in alcoholic beverages, and only if thujone free, and yarrow is allowed in beverages generally, if thujone free.

http://frwebgate2.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=72824537646+1+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve


quote:

So, if that's the case,
why not a liquor additive?




You're looking for logic from a federal bureaucracy. Unless something was "generally recognized as safe" 70 years ago when they wrote up the regulations, the burden of proof is on the person who wants to use an ingredient. That's just the way it goes.
Bob (I_b_puffin)
le Duc
Username: I_b_puffin

Post Number: 162
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 7:20 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Georgie Boy, I think it was limited to enough for flavoring, but with no detectable thujone levels, or something like that. I've seen the FDA list on herbs on a couple of websites before, but I just don't remember where.
MC Peepants (Fluffy_g)
le Vicomte
Username: Fluffy_g

Post Number: 91
Registered: 3-2003


Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 3:49 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Check out this month’s Maxim for all of your absinthe needs."

I noticed that they rated the absinthe on a scale of 1-5 Van Gogh ears.
Georgie Boy (Mighty Fine Young Man) (Lediablevert)
le Duc
Username: Lediablevert

Post Number: 139
Registered: 6-2003


Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 7:16 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hey Bob, to my knowledge,
they've also said that wormwood is an O.K.
to use food additive in limited
quanities. So, if that's the case,
why not a liquor additive? I swear,
the FDA is becoming more and more like the BATF
by the minute it seems like.
>-I AM TROLLING FOR WALLEYE*> >--walleye-/*>
>----walleye--/*>
Tavarua (Tavarua)
le Duc
Username: Tavarua

Post Number: 191
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 6:42 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Tavvy lives?
And why?"

More on this story later, meantime.... What am I having, nothing exciting. I have been off of the train for a while. Where's the fucking wagon, that's the real question.
Bob (I_b_puffin)
le Duc
Username: I_b_puffin

Post Number: 160
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 1:23 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"The likelyhood of absinthe becoming legal in the US has less to do with its reputation as an hallucinogen than it does with the amount of money it would cost to accumulate the data needed to prove to the FDA that wormwood is a safe food additive."

Yeah, but you would think that after a hundred years there would have been at least one person in the FDA that realized it made no sense to ban wormwood for having thujone, since sage also has thujone. Just one person in hundred year in the FDA with half a brain, is that to much to ask?
ENORMUS DICK (Louched_liver)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: Louched_liver

Post Number: 2104
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:42 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Tavvy lives?
And why?
Hi, what're ya havin'?
Jack Collins (_blackjack_)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: _blackjack_

Post Number: 1120
Registered: 11-2000


Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:37 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Also, keep in mind that the US banned Absinthe a full 3 years before France (though 4 years after Switzerland) and, unlike Europe, went on to ban alcohol outright 8 years later. We've always been on the cutting edge of denying ourselves pleasure.
Absinthe-Distribution.com (Markus) (Mclion)
le Duc
Username: Mclion

Post Number: 170
Registered: 4-2002


Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 11:47 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

They did an article arounf two years ago in the german version. But nothing really interesting.
Markus
www.Absinthe-Distribution.com
Masqued Reveler (Nolamour)
Elitist Bastard
Username: Nolamour

Post Number: 705
Registered: 5-2002


Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 11:41 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Good thing the US has Depp and Manson to give us accurate information on the subject. Any more and it will just become a fad...

Hey, wait a minute...
Laissez le Bon Temps Rouler!
Tavarua (Tavarua)
le Duc
Username: Tavarua

Post Number: 190
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:47 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I find it amusing that The countries of Europe, the original wolf criers can find this a harmless spirit, but the US refuses to recogizie this. Anyway, as pointed out, no one really cares in the states. Why should they, we are a VERY small population as a whole. No interest, no change. No big deal, the gov also doesn't care that people are bringing it over.
Jack Collins (_blackjack_)
Absinthe Mafia
Username: _blackjack_

Post Number: 1116
Registered: 11-2000


Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

The likelyhood of absinthe becoming legal in the US has less to do with its reputation as an hallucinogen than it does with the amount of money it would cost to accumulate the data needed to prove to the FDA that wormwood is a safe food additive. The potential market is way too small for anyone to bother. Food and drug safety laws, even under the EU, are less strict in Europe than they are here. Or, at least, less of a corrupt, money driven, beurocratic nightmare.

If it was already legal here, I'd worry that the hallucinogen talk might get it banned (tho dextromethophan is still on the shelves...), but it's a moot point unless Ted hits the Powerball and can do the research himself...
Tavarua (Tavarua)
le Duc
Username: Tavarua

Post Number: 189
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 7:47 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"As it turns out, Maxim has seemingly had plenty of articals on the topic in the past couple of months,"

Don't need to do the search, I am a regular reader and have never seen an article on absinthe. Although I don't read the online magazine, maybe that is where the articles are that you are referring to. Anyhow, this article wasn't too bad. They actually agree that modern brews won't cause any "drastic" affect, and actually stated that the vintage absinthes' extreme affects, if there were such a thing, were caused by the manufacturing process. Heavy metals and all that, but they don't site those exact examples.

Georgie Boy (Mighty Fine Young Man) (Lediablevert)
le Duc
Username: Lediablevert

Post Number: 115
Registered: 6-2003


Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 7:02 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Do a google search for "Absinthe Maxim Magazine".
As it turns out, Maxim has seemingly had plenty of
articals on the topic in the past couple of months,
and even years. Most of them, though, sadly
are terribly misinforming, even to the point
of being damaging,
bad information. It seems as though that here in
the United States at least, more times than not, it is
people
who are even acutely interested in the topic of absinthe
who seem to make it more and more impossible
for it ever to be relegalized. And this is mainly because
they all don't know what they are talking about when
they speak of it. Everyone wants to beleive that it is
some kind of ultrapotent hallucinogen, which of course,
anyone who has ever drank it, knows that isn't the
case. If everyone who knows about it thinks
that it is a hallucinogen, what do you think the
possibility is that it would ever make it through
state or federal legislations for legalization?

>-I AM TROLLING FOR WALLEYE*> >--walleye-/*>
>----walleye--/*>
Tavarua (Tavarua)
le Duc
Username: Tavarua

Post Number: 188
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 3:39 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Check out this month’s Maxim for all of your absinthe needs.

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