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Donnie Darko (Besanšon)
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 10:03 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

>>>How much did you pay for that tarragona, anyway?

Tarragona is by far the most common (though still rare) vintage Absinthe. The bottle I bought near the time of that auction cost $1350, through a private auction. I just got another one in far better condition for $1000.
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Gretchen--"Donnie Darko, sounds like some kind of superhero or something"
Donnie--"What makes you think I'm not?"
Georgie Boy (Mighty Fine Young Man) (Lediablevert)
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Post Number: 132
Registered: 6-2003


Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

How much did you pay for that tarragona, anyway?
By the way, Betty will cost you
10 grand for a bottle of Tarragona, I believe
it was....
Correct me if I am wrong here.
>-I AM TROLLING FOR WALLEYE*> >--walleye-/*>
>----walleye--/*>
Donnie Darko (Besanšon)
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 8:38 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hmm, after searching Sothebys I see you're right (I'd be very surprised if you were wrong!). I'll have to accost him next time I see him. Writers have been known to embellish, and I had just bought a bottle of Tarragona, so perhaps he just wanted to make me feel like I got a good deal or something...
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Gretchen--"Donnie Darko, sounds like some kind of superhero or something"
Donnie--"What makes you think I'm not?"
Oxygenee (Oxygenee)
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Post Number: 147
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 5:24 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Your friend is talking through his (plumed) hat. Sotheby's worldwide have not sold a single bottle of Pernod, or any absinthe, in the last 5 years.
Donnie Darko (Besanšon)
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:29 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

The $10,000 price for the vintage P Fils I heard of was from a friend who was doing research for a film script, and went to about a dozen or so Sothebys auctions, and he said there was one estate sale and one of the items was the P Fils, and they really hyped that it was "Absinthe, the same drink Van Gogh imbibed", and it went all the way up to $10,000, and several people bid. Starting bid was $1000 if I remember correctly...
This was last year. I'm sure this is an exception rather than the norm, but I'm still skeptical of Sotheby's sale prices having a direct correlation to the worth of the item.
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Gretchen--"Donnie Darko, sounds like some kind of superhero or something"
Donnie--"What makes you think I'm not?"
Masqued Reveler (Nolamour)
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Post Number: 706
Registered: 5-2002


Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 10:53 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Absolutely, That's what auctions are all about. You could potentially pay way under OR way over value for anything.

However, the reputation of an auction house, such as Sotheby's, may raise the starting bid or give the public a sense that the price should be higher. There are plenty of factors.
Laissez le Bon Temps Rouler!
Marc Chevalier (Chevalier)
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Post Number: 1367
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 10:20 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Go to any Sotheby's auction and you'll be guaranteed to pay far more than what the item is worth..."

No.

Go to any Sotheby's auction and you may find minimum bid prices that are more than what the items are worth.

Yes ... but less often than you'd think.


Oxygenee (Oxygenee)
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Post Number: 146
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 9:10 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Then again Sotheby's has sold vintage Pernod bottles for over $10,000 a piece. Go to any Sotheybys auction and you'll be guaranteed to pay far more than what the item is worth..."

Nonsense. Go to any Sotheby's (or other reputable) auction, and you'll pay exactly one bid increment more than the last willing purchaser offered, subject to any reserve price set by the seller. In many areas - wine and rare books are two of which I have personal experience - the prices realised by Sotheby's or Christies are considerably below the prevailing retail prices charged by dealers.

I'd be very interested to know your reference for the alleged $10000 plus bottles of Pernod Fils on Sotheby's, or any auction for that matter.

$200 000 - $300 000 is a very typical price for an important work by a minor 19th century master, which is what Beraud was. Of course, that sort of money wouldn't buy you even a fine sketch by Manet, Degas or Picasso.
21st Century Rimbaud (Rimbaud)
le Duc
Username: Rimbaud

Post Number: 179
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 8:57 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I enjoy his absinthe-related paintings very much. I just don't consider them to be in the same class as those done by Degas, Lautrec, Manet, Picasso, etc.
simon pedersen (Simon)
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Post Number: 56
Registered: 7-2002


Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 8:42 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Wow!! $10,000 for a vintage pernod is seriously too much!! I remember the 24 bottles found on a ship wreck off the coast Hurghada by an English man about 4 years ago. They where without labels and where being sold for $400 each. Really wished i had the money at the time!!
Pataphysician (Pataphysician)
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Post Number: 626
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 8:18 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I like the gravity-defying hat on the dude in the second painting. Or maybe he's a pinhead.
Donnie Darko (Besanšon)
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 7:37 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Then again Sotheby's has sold vintage Pernod bottles for over $10,000 a piece. Go to any Sotheybys auction and you'll be guaranteed to pay far more than what the item is worth...
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Gretchen--"Donnie Darko, sounds like some kind of superhero or something"
Donnie--"What makes you think I'm not?"
Oxygenee (Oxygenee)
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Post Number: 145
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 7:08 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

They may not be masterworks, but Beraud is a major artist, and avidly collected. In the last few years Sotheby's have sold two of his paintings from this same cafe series depicting absinthe drinkers (Au Cafe and The Backgammon Players) for in excess of $200 000 each.
simon pedersen (Simon)
le Vicomte
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Post Number: 54
Registered: 7-2002


Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 6:44 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Indeed........He started his painting carier studying under Leon Bonnat the portrait painter. Following in his foot steps until taking on his own style at a later period in his life.
21st Century Rimbaud (Rimbaud)
le Duc
Username: Rimbaud

Post Number: 178
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 6:30 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

They were painted by Jean Beraud. Born in Russia, 1845. Died in Paris, 1935. Not masterworks by any means, but interesting...
ENORMUS DICK (Louched_liver)
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Post Number: 2103
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:39 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

That 2nd one looks like me, J Ro, and Festus havin' a hoist.
Hi, what're ya havin'?
Absinthe-Distribution.com (Markus) (Mclion)
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Username: Mclion

Post Number: 169
Registered: 4-2002


Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 11:42 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Anyhow, they look really nice. Kind of real life.
Markus
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Masqued Reveler (Nolamour)
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Username: Nolamour

Post Number: 704
Registered: 5-2002


Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 11:32 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Nope, those are repros...Bob Ross has a pretty little squirrel playing around in his.
Laissez le Bon Temps Rouler!
Georgie Boy (Mighty Fine Young Man) (Lediablevert)
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Username: Lediablevert

Post Number: 120
Registered: 6-2003


Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:41 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

they'd both make beautiful back labels.
>-I AM TROLLING FOR WALLEYE*> >--walleye-/*>
>----walleye--/*>
Donnie Darko (Bescanšon)
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 8:01 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thomas Kinkade? ARe you out of yer mind? It's clearly Bob Ross
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Gretchen--"Donnie Darko, sounds like some kind of superhero or something"
Donnie--"What makes you think I'm not?"
Pataphysician (Pataphysician)
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Post Number: 625
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thomas Kinkade?
Bob (I_b_puffin)
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Post Number: 152
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 7:14 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Do you know who made those?
21st Century Rimbaud (Rimbaud)
le Duc
Username: Rimbaud

Post Number: 177
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 2:15 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

abs2
21st Century Rimbaud (Rimbaud)
le Duc
Username: Rimbaud

Post Number: 176
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 2:14 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

abs1
21st Century Rimbaud (Rimbaud)
le Duc
Username: Rimbaud

Post Number: 175
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 2:10 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Ooops....I'll try it again.

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