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Zman7
Posted on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 11:36 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

BTW, Wolf, what do you mean by strange?
Zman7
Posted on Thursday, January 9, 2003 - 11:35 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I don't know where Bedel got his recipes, but de Brevans acknowledges in his book that he is relying heavily on Duplais. I'm sure there were more writers, but M.Duplais appears to be the main "modern" technical author when it comes to distilling for commercial entities.
Wolfgang
Posted on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 10:56 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Does Bedel provide references somewhere in the original book ? Because I really wonder where did he got those strange recipes...
Artemis
Posted on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 10:35 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Okay, that makes sense. I'll take a look at what Kallisti put up and suggest corrections as necessary in the interest of historical accuracy, because there are a lot more of those little quote symbols in that text.
Absinthedrinker
Posted on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 10:32 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Artemis, I see what you mean. I have always assumed that this was an indication that there was nothing in that 'column'. It seems to work for the other recipes.
Artemis
Posted on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 10:30 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

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Artemis
Posted on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 10:18 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"I just checked my Bedel (1899) and it also has 550g for genepi and veronica ..."

Well, that surprises me, because it was *your* Bedel to which I referred as the independant copy I have seen. So I looked at it again, and I see where I went wrong.

After "Hysope fleurie", which is listed as :
1 kilogr. 100, comes a series of items:
" 500

I took that to mean the "1 kilogr" was to be repeated down the column. Is that not what those little "quote" symbols mean? If they don't, then the correct amount for item with 500 is indeed 500 grams, not 1-1/2 kilograms. If anybody has the answer, I'd appreciate it, as it would help me in future translations.
Artemis
Posted on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 9:59 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"VAN GOGH'S EAR REMOVER"

I agree with Aion, you must have dreamed that. What sort of asshole would give such an insensitive name to the demon liquor?
Artemis
Posted on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 9:56 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Artemis, my friend, never would I dare to question the correctness of your translation."

I know. I knew about the typo long before you pointed it out as well, but I'm presenting these texts as historical curiosities, not "how to" manuals, so it doesn't bother me if there are that sort of mistakes in them. I guess that's what I was trying to say.
Aion
Posted on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 12:15 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hey Marc,
wake up and stop dreaming.
No one would use these recipies
we are discussing here...
Just a sort of absinthe archeology,
just aphorisms, nothing real...

A.
Absinthedrinker
Posted on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 - 12:11 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I just checked my Bedel (1899) and it also has 550g for genepi and veronica...
Marc
Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 11:37 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I enjoyed a wonderful absinthe this evening, a gift from head and kallisti. I had never heard of this one before. Its a rare and exotic homebrew called VAN GOGH'S EAR REMOVER.It's got a warm and complex herbal quality that gathers on the tongue and swiftly leaps upward to the frontal lobe. Its a lovely creation. Makes me pecker hard. Apparently the creator of this vibrant elixir is a wild coonass living in a hut somewhere up North.
This primitve freak does possess a delicate touch.
Zman7
Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 11:21 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hot Damn! We are finally discussing actual absinthe!
Aion
Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 11:06 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"My job as a translator is to translate accurately, not to correct recipes."

Artemis, my friend, never would I dare
to question the correctness of your
translation.
But believe me, the amount of angelica seeds
as shown in the Bedel recipie would give a
very strange tasting product, overwhelmingly
strange...
So, as Zman said, for those interested...,
I thought a warning was suitable.

A.
Zman7
Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 12:40 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

M.de Brevans also gives the amount as 550 grams of genepi, veronica, and angelica seeds in Swiss White Absinthe...for those interested.
Zman7
Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 12:35 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

My money is on Duplais.....
Artemis
Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 12:34 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

That last post should have been prefaced:

"To provide equal opportunity, here is the text fro the same recipe as it appears in Duplais:"
Artemis
Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 12:31 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

SWISS ABSINTHE BLANCHE

Grand Wormwood, stripped 2.75 kg
Petite Wormwood, stripped 1.125 kg
Hyssop flowers, stripped 1.1 kg
Veronica 550 grams
Genepi 550 grams
Roman chamomile 225 grams
Green Anise 5.25 kg
Fennel of Florence 5.25 kg
Coriander 1 kg
Angelica seeds 550 grams
Alcohol at 85 degrees 96 liters

Proceed with maceration and distillation in the same way as for green absinthe, then rectify the product and reduce it to 74 degrees.

FREE BONUS, warning from Le Surgeon Generale which follows the recipe in the book:

"Abuse of absinthe, even watered down, is most disastrous for the physiognomy. Taken pure, it causes serious disorders in the stomach and the brain. It is not only the alcohol to which the effects must be ascribed, but more particularly the great quantity of essential oils of anise and fennel which it contains."
Artemis
Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 12:02 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"The protocol for the "SWISS WHITE ABSINTHE"
is not correct (according to the DUPLAIS book I own):"

The book in question is not by Duplais, but by Bedel. The text as shown at
http://www.feeverte.net/pernod/ is verbatim and accurately reproduces the book. Further, I have seen a separate copy of Bedel, and it also gives the recipe exactly the same way. My job as a translator is to translate accurately, not to correct recipes.

With that said, it is also a fact that Bedel borrowed from Duplais and/or vice versa, and typographical errors were probably made. Which one is correct, I'll leave to others.
Aion
Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 4:18 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Peanuts,
the price for half a kilogram
Arthemisia genipi,
this is hardcore!
Dr_Ordinaire
Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 4:10 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

SIX HUNDRED LITERS of alcohol! TWENTY TWO KILOS of A. absinthium! This is for me like reading the best erotica!

Uh, oh, I think I'm getting a stilly...
Aion
Posted on Tuesday, January 7, 2003 - 1:52 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

The protocol for the "SWISS WHITE ABSINTHE"
is not correct (according to the DUPLAIS book I own):

Veronica should be 550 gr. not 1,55 kg
Genipi should be 550 gr. not 1,55 kg
Angelica seeds should be 550 gr. not 5,55 kg !!!!!


And here are some other vintage protocols from
that old book, to complete the list:

***

SWISS ABSINTHE OF NIMES
*
Arthemisia Abs.: 22,5 kg
Green Anise: 22,5 kg
Fennel: 15 kg
Corriander: 2,5 kg
Angelica root: 1,5 kg
Elecampane root: 1,5 kg
Alcohol 85%: 600 l
*
Arthemisia Pont.: 5 kg
Hyssop: 4,5 kg
Melissa: 1,5 kg
Veronica: 2,5 kg
Mint: 2,5 kg

***

SWISS ABSINTHE OF FOUGEROLLES
*
Arthemisia Abs.: 16 kg
Green Anise: 45 kg
Fennel: 25 kg
Alcohol 85%: 600 l
*
Arthemisia Pont.: 4 kg
Hyssop: 3,5 kg
Melissa: 4,5 kg
Veronica: 4 kg
Alcohol 85%: 570 l
Water: 300 l

***

SWISS ABSINTHE OF BESANCON
*
Arthemisia Abs.: 24 kg
Green Anise: 30 kg
Fennel: 40 kg
Corriander: 4 kg
Alcohol 85%: 600 l
*
Arthemisia Pont.: 6 kg
Hyssop: 5,5 kg
Melissa: 3 kg
Alcohol 85%: 570 l
Water: 300 l

***

Cheers,
A.
Frenchman
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 11:24 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

If you would like to reference all old absinthe Historic Brands, you will have a lot lot of work Kallisti.... !
(I will try to send you picture of the only one genuine US absinthe brand that i know)

If someone is interested in, i have the BEST, a must to translate - the book used by all autors for their books : "AU PAYS DE L ABSINTHE" by COULERU circa 1906
It is a great work.... but with a lot of absinthe to drink, it should be possible....

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