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Silvenshadow
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 1:06 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I agree as well... Ebay is a VERY public place. The best idea is to keep things as quiet as possible. Trying to make absinthe "mainstream" will just attract a lot of attention from people that will just say: "Hey, isn't that the stuff that made that painter cut off his own ear?"
Right now there is no reason for the FDA to care about absinthe. It's a small market. They are not losing much money on not being able to tax it, and most people don't even know it exists.
Frankly, the less people that drink absinthe, the less likely the ban is to be enforced again.
The more publicity it recieves the more scrutiny will be aroused. Be very careful OS. Instead of increasing your volume, you may just kill the market.
Optimalsmarts
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 12:03 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

""Betty supposedly is in contact with the producers of her La Bleues and is able to offer some guarantee of quality (if not consistency) due to their ongoing business relationship. Of course, the consumer pays through the nose for that privilege.""

My producer and her producer are one in the same resulting in the same "guarantee of quality". I have just made a commitment to someone that will prove the like qualities to you the forum members. OS.
Zman7
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 11:54 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

PV,
I agree with you. As I mentioned a few months back, when OS started flooding ebay, I think this will bring unwanted attention to absinthe from "those that would save us from ourselves."
As long as the FDA is going to rely on 19th Century pseudo-science to make rules regarding absinthe, we will have to rely on overseas sellers, or domestic (and clandestine)importers/resellers. If absinthe starts becoming too popular, then of course the gubmint will have to step and save us. Science and truth be damned!
Unless there were big money to be made in the US market, the regulations will probably just stand.
Perruche_Verte
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 11:40 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

If the product is really good (and I won't know that 'til I've had a sample... hint hint...), I'd probably go for it at least once at $100/L.

I wouldn't buy too often, not being flush, but at least at that price it's comparable to the wares of a certain jerk who never delivered on his promises.

If OS is willing to undercut the La Bleue market by that much, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Betty supposedly is in contact with the producers of her La Bleues and is able to offer some guarantee of quality (if not consistency) due to their ongoing business relationship. Of course, the consumer pays through the nose for that privilege.

I don't know about the publicity of these Ebay auctions, though. It seems to me far more likely that instead of the walls coming down, the iron fist is going to come down, the folks at the borders will start enforcing existing regulations and our little decade-plus absinthe party will come to a sudden halt. Do you really want to risk all that?
Zman7
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 11:14 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Edit function is FUBAR,again.
Zman7
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 11:13 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I, for one, am glad to see some competition in the la bleu supply category. Yes, given the components of la bleu, $200.00 bucks a bottle for Betty's is very expensive. I,again for one, still will not shell out $100.00 for a la bleu (need the money for my ebay and jr. chemistry experiments). But as mentioned before, it would be interesting if someone could post a review of the OS la bleu vs. Betty's. Also, with the recent postal rate ravaging of SC and others, the prices of OS aren't to out of line with what many of us have come to pay for importing absinthe. I'm not defending anyone, it is just my .02.
Silvenshadow
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 8:57 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Head - Unfortunately I've never recieved any free bottles. (Although I wouldn't mind one) I just can't stand to see one-sided pseudo-intellectual battles.
OS is at least trying to improve his reputation as a vendor, and all he gets is bashing for it because he comes across as a nitwit. I haven't met him but I don't think he deserves as many flames as he's taken. Maybe there's something that I don't know about him. Have people had bad experiences with him as a vendor? I haven't read a post about it here.
I've spent quite a bit of time positing on BBS's / forums and I know what it's like to be bashed. I didn't like it, and I don't like to see it happen.
Drinkslinger
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 8:53 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Jeeze, I disappear for a few days and look what happens. I'm busy working 14 hour days right now (read:$$$), but shortly after new years I've got a break coming up. At that point I'm going to get a bottle of this OS LaBleue and tell the whole Absinthe world whether it is Mmmmm good, or Ulex in a pepsi bottle!
Optimalsmarts
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 8:46 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Silven, Im tear'n up over here. I've never had a friend before. But seriously, i'm glad to see someone put down the macho internet bully shit. OS.

p.s. your enny tway ollars day is in the ail may.
Optimalsmarts
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 8:40 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Let me say this one thing about "Betty's La Bleue". The only difference between my La Bleue and Betina's is the label she puts on the bottles once they get into the u.s. Ohh, and I am sure I sell more bottles than she which would mean that hers are aged a little longer which I find means nothing for La Bleue unless its a substantial amount of time.

I dont have anything against Betty personally but the only reason La Bleue is so expensive is because she makes it that way. On average, I sell my bottles of La Bleue for 150$ plus shipping to people on ebay and friends of customers. If I dont do this then the newbies think that it is not La Bleue. I happily sell it for 130$ shipping included to people who want it at that price. In the near future I would like to see La Bleue at 100$ to your door shipping included(thats for one liter).

At this point your probably asking why I would do something like that?? Profit margin, thats right kids, cost of goods sold drastically reduced. Better to sell a thousand bottles than a hundred and nothing like a price trimmin to boost sales. Besides, absinthe is wwwayyyy overpriced in the states and we still pay because can.

Mark my words, there is an absinthe revolution about to happen and im going to be right in it wether you like me or not. Besides, all im trying to do here is help the fellow american who is fed up with yet another out of date bullshit law. They need to wake the fuck up and legalize this shit. Weed...Cuban cigars...Absinthe. Throw that tax down like only the u.s. knows how. Im about to blow the lid on this bitch, tha shits about to hit the fizzan. NOW WHOS WITH ME????????????
Silvenshadow
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 8:16 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

So there is no confusion:

Quote from OS ----
200$/bottle is what i pay for an 85' Rothschild, not absinthe.
----

This means that OS would not pay $200 a bottle for absinthe. (let's think folks, who charges $200 a bottle, it's not hard, it's another US-based vendor)

Quote from OS ----
Comparitively speaking, a 100$ bottle of la bleue is a good deal. OS.----
This means compared to $200 a bottle, $100 is a good deal. I know this is a bit hard to comprehend.
Optimalsmarts
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 7:56 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Email me Louched L., I send you a present. Okay???? sales@optimalsmarts.com
Head_Prosthesis
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 7:52 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

blah blah blah...

So how'd that free bottle
taste Silvy?
Silvenshadow
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 7:29 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Oxy - Valid comparisons eh? All that bull that you just spewed is completely irrelavant. Some people pay hundreds of dollars for old GI-Joe figures. People spend money on many things that I consider to be foolish or wasteful. If someone actively dislikes wine paying $200 for a bottle would not be a good deal, no matter how many people find it to be exceptional.
The real issue here is that OS is offering a bottle of La Bleue at $100, is that a good deal? (the offers on OS's webpage include shipping, I'm assuming this price includes shipping, If I'm incorrect in this assumption please correct me OS). When ordering a single bottle from overseas vendors the shipping is very expensive, over $100 dollars in fact.
The only other US-based vendor that I know of is Bettina Elixers, and she charges $110 for either french or spanish absinthe.
So let's make a "comparison" here. Buying a single bottle, AFAIK your options are:
1.) Buying from an overseas vendor, getting commercial spanish or french - Over $100
2.) Buying from Bettina, getting commerical spanish or french - Over $100
3.) Buying from OS, getting a La Bleue - $100
4.) Buying from Bettina, gettina a Le Bleue - $200

Granted if you order many bottles from a overseas vendor you get a much better deal.

I don't know of many other vendors that sell Le Bleue, and there is this thing called supply and demand, Oxy. There are very few resellers for Le Bleue, and they can charge people whatever they like because they control the supply of the product. Prices are as high as they are because people will pay it, and they have few alternatives if they desire the product. This is high-school stuff. I'm suprised that you don't understand it.

Now OS is a new vendor. Since by the nature of Le Bleue it's quality can vary greatly, people are reluctant to buy it. He is offering a discount in order to attract new customers. Once people have tried his product, and can vouch for it's quality he will have more customers. This is simple buisness.

AFAIK right now Bettina's Le Bleue is a benchmark that others are compared to. When you make a comparison of prices (Bettina - $200 / OS $100) he is offering a much better price in order to attract a customer that can attest to it's quality. If the quality is the same, then it's a very good deal. If it tastes like Hills then it's not. He's looking for someone who enjoys Le Bleue, and has enough money to take a chance on his product.

Oxy, OS has recieved his fair share of bashing and flaming on these forums. He is making a valid attempt to gain respect as a vendor. It's very easy to bash someone that's not very good at defending themselves isn't it?

So you try to compare OS's Le Bleue price to a bottle of wine. Try making a "valid comparison" and compare it to similar products. I could just as easily say that you would be a fool for spending $200 on a bottle of Rothschild.

I can hear the replies now. Oh! The quality of the grapes is divine! It's been aged to perfection! It's won acclaim the world over!

I'm sure that it doesn't taste a damn thing like absinthe. All the ingredients are wrong. They used grapes in it! It's PURPLE! It has no louche! Doesn't taste a thing like anis or wormwood.
Oh, I forgot you weren't making a valid comparison, were you? That's right, you were comparing a vintage wine to a home-made absinthe.

Perhaps you ought to take your own advice about enrolling in that course. And when you sign up see if they have one about bashing, maybe after you finish it you can come back here and pick on some more people less intelligent than you and come off as an condesending supremest instead of just coming off as an idiot.
Louched_Liver
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 1:15 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Goddamit Optimmy, I still haven't gotten my free sample so I can shill for you.
Nolamour
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 12:36 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Once again, ladies and gents...The Texas Two Step!

SO, what happened to the: (only I will give it to you for 80$)

Which is it? $80 or $130?
Destiny
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 12:30 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hey OS -

Does your blanche come in one liter bottles? If so, and the quality is similar to Betty's, I'd offer $100 (domestic delivery included). If we're talking 75 cl bottles, then I'd propose $75-$80. I may be caught in a time-warp, but if Wolvie could do it for that price (and include shipping from Germany!) then that's where I personally draw the line for a domestic supplier. For $130, I would think you would just be attracting the curious one-time buyer or simply luring away some of those who suckle on Betty's tatties.
Oxygenee
Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 12:17 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Furthermore, if your going to tell me I need to go back to school you should at least use spell check !?!"

If you're going to criticize a single typo in my post, you shouldn't really abbreviate "you are" as "your", should you?
Optimalsmarts
Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2002 - 11:04 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

It was a nice wine lesson oxy but I was not comparing absinthe to wine. Furthermore, if your going to tell me I need to go back to school you should at least use spell check !?! Maybe you should sign up for a "correspondence" course in "Sixth Grade Spelling". Zman, yes the bottle is 100$. Packaging supplies and 2nd day air are 30$ for a total of 130$. OS.
Mr_Rabid
Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2002 - 10:28 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

The same as Betty's?

Ah, fuck that. Does you likes it or not, that is the question.
Head_Prosthesis
Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2002 - 10:27 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

heeheehee...
That was "priceless"
Oxygenee
Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2002 - 10:18 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Chateau Lafite Rothschild 1985:
The quintessential Bordeaux - arguably the greatest estate of all. Vineyards go back centuries. Renowned in literature and art for 300 years. Thomas Jefferson had custom bottles made for his purchases from the estate. Recognised as belonging to the very top echelon of wines by the French government in the 1855 Classification. Untold millions invested in the vineyards and cellar. Strictly limited production from tightly demarcated low-yielding vineyards. Any less than perfect grapes used for the second label, so as not to compromise the flagship wine. From the magnificent 1985 vintage. 97 points in the Wine Spectator ("defines elegance and sophistication"). High nineties from Parker. 5 stars from Broadbent ("does a sort of slow striptease, revealing more each time one sniffs and sips....dark velvety core"). Finest possible packaging - custom made engraved bottle, 6cm cork, magnificently printed, iconic label. Bottles individually tissue wrapped and packed in superb handmade wooden crates. Sold on allocation primarily through a network of highly qualified specialist merchants, many of whom have relationships with the Rothschild family going back decades. Price $200.

La Bleue:
Distilled herbal liquor made semi clandestinely in rural Switzerland from bought-in ethyl alcohol. No vintage, no formal quality assurance whatsoever. As much made as can be sold. Varies from bottle to bottle. Sometimes made by mobile distillery mounted on the back of a truck. Screwtop bottle. Photocopied label, or no label. Sold over the internet by someone called "Optimalsmarts". Price $100.

If you ever chance upon a corresspondence course called "Making valid comparisons", you might want to consider enrolling, Optimalsmarts.
Vortex
Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2002 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

La Bleue tastes different from batch to batch so it probably won't taste like Bettys unless it came from the same batch. One La Bleue may taste radiacally different from another (the world would be a less interesting place if all La Bleues tasted the same ;-)) Even Bettys different La Bleue numbers taste very different from each other. For me the more complex the flavour the more I enjoy it. Then there's La Verte... one of my favourites.
Zman7
Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2002 - 6:25 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

OS,
Are you telling us forum members that your la bleu is $100.00?
Head_Prosthesis
Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2002 - 5:18 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post


Quote:

Comparitively speaking, a 100$ bottle of la bleue is a good deal. OS.




Eh hem! That would be...
"subjectively" speaking.

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