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The Red Pidgeon (Icarus)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 10:32 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Some may have read this already, sorry if it's old news.

"Charlie Daniels' Open Letter to the Hollywood Bunch"
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>OK -- Let's just say for a moment you bunch of
>pampered, overpaid, unrealistic children
>had your way and the U.S.A. didn't go into Iraq.
>Let's say that you really get your way
>and we destroy all our nuclear weapons
>and stick daisies in our gun barrels
>and sit around with some white wine and cheese
>and pat ourselves on the back,
>so proud of what we've done for world peace.
>Let's say that we cut the military budget to
>just enough to keep the National Guard
>on hand to help out with floods and fires.
>Let's say that we close down
>our military bases all over the world
>and bring the troops home,
>increase our foreign aid
>and drop all the trade sanctions
>against everybody.
>I suppose that in your fantasy world
>this would create a utopian world
>where everybody would live in peace.
>After all, the great monster,
>the United States of America,
>the cause of all the world's trouble
>would have disbanded it's horrible military
>and certainly all the other countries
>of the world would follow suit.
>After all, they only arm themselves
>to defend their countries from the mean old U.S.A.
>Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical,
>idiotic, spoiled mugwumps.
>Get your head out of the sand
>and smell the Trade Towers burning.
>Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn
>did anything but encourage a wanton murderer
>to think that the people of the U.S.A.
>didn't have the nerve or the guts to fight him?
>Barbra Streisand's fanatical and hateful rantings
>about George Bush makes about as much sense
>as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing.
>You people need to get out of Hollywood
>once in a while and get out into the real world.
>You'd be surprised at the hostility you would find out
>here.
>Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked,
>long distance truck driver that you don't think
>Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong.
>Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military
>that you think the United States
>has no right to defend itself.
>Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally
>and see what the folks down there think about you.
>You people are some of the most disgusting examples
>of a waste of protoplasm I've ever
>had the displeasure to hear about.
>Sean Penn, you're a traitor to the United States of
>America.
>You gave aid and comfort to the enemy.
>How many American lives will your little,
>"fact finding trip" to Iraq cost?
>You encouraged Saddam to think
>that we didn't have the stomach for war.
>You people protect one of the most evil men
>on the face of this earth and won't lift a finger
>to save the life of an unborn baby.
>Freedom of choice you say?
>Well I'm going to exercise
>some freedom of choice of my own.
>If I see any of your names on a marquee,
>I'm going to boycott the movie.
>I will completely stop going to movies if I have to.
>In most cases it certainly wouldn't be much of a loss.
>You scoff at our military whose boots
>you're not even worthy to shine.
>They go to battle and risk their lives
>so ingrates like you can live in luxury.
>The day of reckoning is coming
>when you will be faced with the undeniable truth
>that the war against Saddam Hussein
>is the war on terrorism.
>America is in imminent danger.
>You're either for her or against her.
>There is no middle ground.
>I think we all know where you stand.
>What do you think?
>God Bless America!
>Charlie Daniels
>Copyright C 2003 Charlie Daniels


and

Who's Smarter?
by Cindy Osborne


The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming
about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming
the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and
everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names
like "stupid" , "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to
tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to
be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's
look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic" leaders,
and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University
and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for
the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas
business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986.
He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote.
In a historic re-election victory, he
became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year
terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998
Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the
African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He
won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that
Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate
to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso,
Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his
I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might
want to go to
URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)

Vice President Dick Cheney earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both
in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science
Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's
primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and
foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure
our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as
President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital
Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to
work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice
President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is
placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the
tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell was educated in the New York City public
schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he
earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY
and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in
June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business
Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell
is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and
decorations. Secretary
Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the
President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of
State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy
Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have
been named in his honor and he holds honorary
degrees from universities and colleges across the country.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: attended Princeton University on
Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval
aviator ; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59;
U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director
of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director
of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74;
head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President,
Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff,
1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge was raised in a working class
family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to
Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The
Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served
as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for
Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was
in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie
County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted
Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly
re-elected six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice earned her Bachelor's Degree in
Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of
Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and
her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the
University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of
Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in
Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the
University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's
Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are
also in
Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and
Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in
1991, the
University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At
Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security
and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International
Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the
Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe
Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with
Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the
Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet
and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences
in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's
Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000
Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period
of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served
in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet
and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special
Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an
international affairs fellow of the
Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the
Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal
Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She
was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the
Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the
University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan
and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board
member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for
schools in east Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice
President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her
past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica
Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie
Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National
Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban
Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November
14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in
political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of
Denver in 1974; her Master's from the
University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of
International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow
of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary
Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in
1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. She resides in Washington,
D.C.

So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their
experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will
defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if
they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we
should also have all the facts on their educations and background:

Barbra Streisand : Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting

Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting

Martin Sheen Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting

Jessica Lange Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting



Alec Baldwin Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
Career: Acting

Julia Roberts Completed high school
Career: Acting

Sean Penn Completed High school
Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America
in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting

Ed Asner Completed High school
Career: Acting

George Clooney Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting

Michael Moore Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director

Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School
Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School
Career: Acting

Mike Farrell Completed High school
Career: Acting

Janeane Garofelo Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne

Larry Hagman Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should
also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even
hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy
to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the
threats to America, the intentions of
terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant
communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations,our
own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply
believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!!
We cannot believe that we are in any way as
informed as our leaders.

These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding
groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country.
They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature,
and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative
views and anything that supports or uplifts
the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when
Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when
he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself
to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was
held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American
lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our
nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed
by freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they
want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest,
God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.

Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the
Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE,
FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the
manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world
peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence
that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining
nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They
believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass
destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will
eventually be used against us in our own cities.

So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that
since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also
determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions
concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation
when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough
friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking
for me. Did Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we
were just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School
Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is
controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American
people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the
average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account
make up for his ignorance and give him clout?

The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles
of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and
divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare
they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more
bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their
views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond
memories of an old television sitcom!

It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves
about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the
freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever toknow peace
in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism
striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation
remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are
made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.

Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and
join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not
real. We did not stop Adolph Hitler from taking over the entire
continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and
brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is
known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did
not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in
1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate
war if the ships did not turn around. In spite of President Bill Clintons
many short comings, he had the sense to step into the Balkan Mess with
force. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the
strong belief of President Ronald Reagan and sensible people... PEACE is
obtained and maintained only through STRENGTH.


-do I qualify for "longest Cut and Paste"?

Quidam (Artemis)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 10:29 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Yes, the poor bastard on the right doesn't know he hasn't "benefitted".

kiss

Blackjack, you've posted a lot of carefully considered, thought provoking words that have sometimes caused me to at least attempt to look at things from angles I might not have considered, but that last post is right out of the Hollywood left, or Iraqi "information" minister's handbook of hot air.
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Quidam (Artemis)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 8:56 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Unless I missed a memo, the ends still don't justify the means."

The "means" were relatively benign. What means would have been better but still effective? Voting? Wishing? Waiting for Saddam to die? Blocking traffic? You've missed more than a memo. You've missed the boat, and they can't hear you hollering back there while you sink and drown with Leonardo DiCaprio.

"It is not acceptable to mount an unprovoked invasion of a country,"

Unprovoked? On what planet have you been living?

"against the will of the international community"

There is no "international community". There is the U.N., which does nothing but talk. And people who should be hanging from a lamp post do a lot of the talking there.

"even if it does end up benefiting the people in the end (which has yet to be determined)"

Yeah, right. There is a possibility they were better off under Saddam. Sometimes I wonder if you really do live on this planet.
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Crosby (Crosby)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 5:22 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

As of today, France is already demanding their money from the oil contracts they hold.
C'est ma santé
Z (Zman7)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 4:11 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Fuck the "international community." The US and Britain did what it must to protect themselves. If I had knowledge that someone was going to attack my family or myself, you bet your ass I would "premptively" take precautions to protect them and myself. France, Germany, Russia, et al had not any noble notion of "peace." They just wanted to cover their financial backsides. As the dust settles, I'm willing to bet that we will find their dirty little fingers all over propping up and supplying Saddam. Fuck yeah, in this case, the end does indeed justify the means.
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Jack Collins (_blackjack_)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 3:26 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Unless I missed a memo, the ends still don't justify the means. It is not acceptable to mount an unprovoked invasion of a country, against the will of the international community, even if it does end up benefiting the people in the end (which has yet to be determined).
Crosby (Crosby)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 9, 2003 - 1:27 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hey HobGob, here's some more stuff for you to ignore:

http://www.start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=7&aid=409010430_5303_lead_story
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Posted on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 3:09 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Yep, I sure do.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 1:37 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post


C'est ma santé
Lordhobgoblin (Lordhobgoblin)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 1:33 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Zman,

So you think there's nothing wrong with a country's army being sent to war against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the citizens of that country? It's Blair's fucking private army and he's not our feudal lord.

When Blair stuck his middle finger up to the wishes of his electorate he stuck his middle finger up to democracy. Going to war to promote 'democracy' abroad by ignoring democracy at home.

If your President started acting against the democratic wishes of the overwhelming majority of US citizens you wouldn't be thinking it was such a good thing.
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Posted on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 1:24 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"BUSH, BLAIR TO HOLD WAR SUMMIT IN BELFAST"

I hear Bush thought he was arriving in Dublin.
Pervert Euchre (Perruche_verte)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 11:47 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Or shall I say, scared enough (as in the case of Turkey).

I prefer the term 'demonstration' to 'protest'. There can be, and are, both pro- and anti-war demonstrations.
"Drink accomplished what God did not." --Marguerite Duras
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Posted on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 11:44 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

US demonstrations against the war are very useful. They give a shot in the arm to people in nominally democratic countries (e.g. Turkey and Canada) who oppose the war and whose governments have been brave enough to support the will of their citizens. They also remind the world that US public opinion is far from unanimous and that the lifespan of all governments is limited.
"Drink accomplished what God did not." --Marguerite Duras
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Posted on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 11:34 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"George, meet me in Belfast and I'll show you how to occupy a foreign country..."
Pataphysician (Pataphysician)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 8, 2003 - 8:24 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"BUSH, BLAIR TO HOLD WAR;
SUMMIT IN BELFAST"
Pervert Euchre (Perruche_verte)
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Posted on Monday, April 7, 2003 - 8:59 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Headline on MSN today:

"BUSH, BLAIR TO HOLD
WAR SUMMIT IN
BELFAST"

It's like a small Dada poem.
"Drink accomplished what God did not." --Marguerite Duras
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Posted on Sunday, April 6, 2003 - 11:28 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

The protests in the US are, at this point, not going to make a bit of difference, indeed, but the protests in the rest of the world have made other countries (including the UK) a lot more reluctant to help us out.

My point about cheering on the orgasm, as it were, is that it there is no point in "protesting" in favor of something which is going to happen anyway. At least the protests AGAINST the inevitable are intended to CHANGE something. Jumping up-and-down in FAVOR of the war is as meaningless as cheering at your TV set when watching a football game.

No, I recognize that the US is only going to get out of this war if Saddam is toppled, or if it becomes a 10-year cluster-fuck like Vietnam. That doesn't mean I have to pretend to like it.
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Posted on Sunday, April 6, 2003 - 11:17 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Too fucking bad.
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Posted on Sunday, April 6, 2003 - 12:20 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

When the big anti-war march took place in London there was a chance that if there was no 2nd UN resolution Blair would back down. Blair had nailed his colours so much to mast of a potential 2nd UN resolution. He had recognised openly that UK public opinion was strongly against war without a 2nd resolution and had said in a public debate that "without a 2nd resolution I have a problem".

So there was a slim chance (and therefore a chance worth taking) that 3% of the population of the entire country (the people he is supposed to represent) marching in protest on London on a single day might make him, if no 2nd resolution occured, back the overwhelming view of his electorate. Unfortunately Blair stuck his middle finger up at the electorate and sent OUR army into war against OUR wishes.
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Posted on Saturday, April 5, 2003 - 2:40 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Being only slightly less absurd than the guy CHEERING IT ON."

Personally, I'd feel less absurd cheering on something that is guaranteed to happen, is in fact, already in progress, than protesting something I haven't a chance in hell of stopping, but that's just me.
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Posted on Saturday, April 5, 2003 - 12:15 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post


quote:

in protest of an orgasm several muscle spasms already in progress.



Being only slightly less absurd than the guy CHEERING IT ON.
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Posted on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 1:06 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"Not from anything you post."

Actually, I got a laugh out of Bush with the beard and the rag on his head. Reminded me of Eminem as the dancing Ayatollah, or whatever that was in that video of his.
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Posted on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 1:05 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

"I saw a segment on TV, where a pro-war protester (how can you protest in FAVOR of something?)"

Who called him a protester? Himself? If so, he was protesting the coalition of the useless that has been blocking traffic, etc. in protest of an orgasm several muscle spasms already in progress.
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Posted on Thursday, April 3, 2003 - 12:31 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Whatever happens in the West the Iraqis will be getting the media message that their government wants them to get. In war time even we get a biased and twisted account of what is going on, and you can be sure that the Iraqis will be getting an even more twisted picture than we are.

I really could never understand the logic behind the view that the Iraqis would be welcoming in Allied troops and that all their soldiers would be instantly surrendering. Even if they dislike their own regime did we really think that they'd trust us after our track record in Iraq. We supplied Saddam Hussein with chemical and biological weapons which he used on his own people, we encouraged the Shi'ites and Kurds to rise up against Saddam Hussein at the end of the Gulf War and then let their uprisings die leaving Saddam to deal with them (particularly the Shi'ites) in his own inimitable fashion, we imposed 12 years of crippling sanctions, and then we drop bombs on Iraq causing civilian deaths and shoot fleeing civilians (granted unintentionally). Is it really reasonable to expect Iraqis to view our invasion of their country as being for own good?
Jack Collins (_blackjack_)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 2, 2003 - 2:43 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I saw a segment on TV, where a pro-war protester (how can you protest in FAVOR of something?) was complaining that the reason that the Iraqis were fighting instead of surrendering was that they were encouraged by seeing all of the anti-war protests in the US.

Um, er, first of all, do you really think the average Iraqi soldier is watching a lot of TV just now? And even if he was, do you think he'd be getting an accurate picture of US sentiment one way or the other? Even if there was not a single anti-war protest in the US, I'm sure the Iraqi media would say that there were anyway.

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