They finally told me that they were contacting their bank to send me my money back so I removed the rent page. I still have to send them a scan from a photo of the broken bottle in the package witch should be done this week. After that, I will put back my rant page online only if I don't get the promised payment.

Lot`s of trouble... Better stick with SC and the Spanish for now on...

Wolf

By Hersaint on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 01:58 pm: Edit

Wolfgang

"Don`t buy anything at http://czechabsinth.com/index.htm "

I could'nt read your rant page as it was down so I am unsure as to all the details but i ordered a bottle from them before xmas it took them about 1 month to deliver and a lot of hastle (Had to order 3 times) although the Sebors is Shite - it came in the coolest bottle i have seen (glass Bottle with leather decorated case)

So they probably will deliver or would have!! they just hav'nt got any idea of customer service I would never use them again after my long drawn out affair.

By Don_Walsh on Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 07:03 am: Edit

Well here's the TRUTH:

A little more than a year ago Kyle quoted me $3.50 US per bottle for 500 bottles per palette FOB Prague. I had asked for export Sebor, later he claimed the quote was for domestic Krasni Lipa. Never mind. I bought some 'export' Sebor in UK that was definitely the Sebor UK product and it was horsepiss. I gave it all away.

So, all the wrangling over what is real and what is Memorex doesn't matter. It is all dogpuke in my humble opinion. The Czechs know less about absinthe than do the Eskimos. They have marginalized themselves with all the squabbling and esp with the BAD absinthe.

By Wormwood on Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 05:43 am: Edit

I don't know what's behind this conflict. I don't care. I know Kyle and have delt with him since early 1998.

He is honest and I know of noone who has ever been cheated by him. Sure he sells the stuff for more than he pays for it, take a class in economics someday and you will understand why that is.

When I read a post by someone who says "Kyle is a thief and a lair" I automatically suspect what thier motives are. Especially when they are his competitors. Just sell your stuff and shut up, if your service and products are better you will be prosperous. If not you will go out of business soon, slandering people will not prevent it.

If you do vist the Martin Sebor Distillery be sure to ask Mr. Sebor who bought and exported his absinth first. Kyle put up the first webpage too.

By Heiko on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 07:21 pm: Edit

"In the Czech Republic these products cost pocket change."

Sorry, but in the Czech Republic, everything costs pocket change ;-)
This is not meant as an insult or something, but a friend of mine is Czech: he made his drivers licence there for almost no money (if you don't know, in Germany it costs about as much as a used car to get it!), he also made his pilot-licence there, he owns a boat, a para-glider, everything bought for at least ten times less than in Germany - that's just the way it is....
And btw the Czech know how to make money (this might be a stereotype, but it's true for my friend - he's a natural born profit-maker...)

By Loucheliver on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 06:17 pm: Edit

Blackjack,
Long live They Might Be Giants.

By Franglais on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 05:57 pm: Edit

The guy that wrote the message is not from Sebor; he is stating his opinion. The website is the Sebor distillery. What I think he's trying to say is that the British distributor is selling Krasna Lipa Absinthe, which Sebor also makes, as Sebor Absinthe for a huge profit margin.

Classic Absinth from seborabsinth.cz is about $39 for .5l. The same "sebor" is selling at seborabsinth.com for about 55 pounds. That is almost twice the price. Czech Absinthe Strong, is $50 for a single bottle with shipping. In the Czech Republic these products cost pocket change.

I'm tired of this thread. Goodbye.

By Perruche_Verte on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 03:49 pm: Edit

"does anyone really have strong feelings about Sebor?"

Well, I've been tempted, but even at the best possible bulk order price it is over $50 US per liter. That makes it more than Segarra. There haven't been many reports here to indicate that Sebor is either a better drink, or a better absinthe than Segarra; it sounds more like a curiosity. I might very well like it, but I'm not going out of my way for it. When I go to the Czech Republic someday I'll try both Krasna Lipa and Hill's -- why not?

As for the weird attack on Kyle Bairnsfather, I can't for the life of me figure out why the same people would simultaneously sell their liquor to him and defame him publicly, so I suspect they're not the same people.

By Wolfgang on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 03:24 pm: Edit

Ho, by the way, Kyle`s prices are not too far from
theirs. And if they really are the real distillery, why do they continue to sell their absinthe to Kyle ?

It just doesn`t make any sense, you don`t make business with your enemies like that. I feel the truth is they are both buying from M.Sebor and reselling the stuff. It`s just sad that M.Sebor is not selling his products himself.

Wolf

By Marc on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 03:21 pm: Edit

assholes don't last very long here in the forum.
We're on em like a bad suit. Alright!

By Wolfgang on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 03:13 pm: Edit

Well, it is not really what I would call 'my web site'... It`s just a rant page shamelessly coming out from a frustrated customer who did not get good services from this guy. I just copied the logo and the wallpaper from his site to make a parody of it... But it`s not finished, It will eventually become funny... And it will eventually be registered on all the major search engine. Hey after all, I paid 65$ for nothing so I have to make fun of this scoundrel for at least ten time that price to compensate for my frustration.
Of course I would never have bothered this forum with my little problem if it was not for this stupid thujonman posting insult at his competitor here in the first place... It`s very not professional from businessman to do such thing.

Especially when he knows that many people here are buying from kyle and are sharing their satisfaction.

Wolf.

By Franglais on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 02:48 pm: Edit

Sorry, Wolfgang. I had not visited your website when I wrote the first message.

This is indeed the real distillery. And I had a very good transaction with them. The packaging was a little third world, but it all arrived in order.

Anyhow, the "whatever" was meant to mean "does anyone really have strong feelings about Sebor?"
The stuff is good in mixed drinks, but it rather different than absinthe in any other form.

By Franglais on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 02:40 pm: Edit

Whatever.

If you really need to order real Sebor for a decent price and efficient service order from www.seborabsinth.cz. I really don't see why anyone would order from any reseller other than the distillery itself. It amazingly only took 4 days for the order to reach me. If you like the stuff, you can order in quantity for damn good prices. That is, if you like the stuff.

By Wolfgang on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 01:49 pm: Edit

Don`t buy anything at http://czechabsinth.com/index.htm

You can see what kind of bad business this guy is doing on my little rant site :

http://www.geocities.com/unhappycustomer2001/index.html

Maybe I lost 65 US$ but at least I will get some fun out of this situation...

Thujonman: (I assume you are Dr.Petr Holy at sales.department@seborabsinth.cz isn`t it ?)

You stupid moron! I gave you a chance to send me back my money and instead of doing good business you're spreading your infamy in there! So I won`t shut up! It`s not by trashing competition that you will grow a good reputation. I don't know if Kyle is doing good business but now I know for sure that if I eventually chose to taste some Sebor absinthe I will not order it from you but from Kyle. At least he have the decency not to throw insult at his competitors, he`s not building is marketing around Thujone, he`s not behaving like a fucking drug dealer like you do and he`s not using those damn automatic translator. (I know I don`t spell perfect english being a french Canadian but at least I`m trying my best and I`m not using a robot to insult you back! ).

I`m lucky to have received my bottle from SC before getting into trouble with you; it could have kept me away from the green fairy.

And by the way, stop bullshit me with your so called 'Canadian sale representative'. You obviously have no rep., no real business and no honor. You're selling your stuff from an external internet business that take care of the order and that`s all.

You want to know more ? There was still some absinthe in the broken package and it smelled only like bad chemical...

Wolf.

By Heiko on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 12:47 pm: Edit

Was there a problem at all?
Kyle buys Sebor from Martin, and resells it with some good profit. Ain't this the way capitalism works?
I guess almost any Absinthe could be bought for 5$ a bottle if you buy big amounts on a regular basis.
If Martin Sebor wanted to do the internet business himself, he would definitely sue Kyle and do it. Or just not sell to Kyle anymore (very easy solution!)
As long as Kyle sends customers the bottles for the price he announces on his site, noone gives a f*** if he's Mr. Sebor, or Spiderman, or Lucifer himself....

By Petermarc on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 12:33 pm: Edit

i guess the unfortunate thing is that no one really cares anymore...(how painful after all that difficult translation)

By _Blackjack on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 11:10 am: Edit

Thujonman, Thujonman,
Thujonman hates Kyle-man,
They have a fight, Kyle wins,
The absinth man, Kyle-man...

By _Blackjack on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 11:06 am: Edit

All your Sebor are belong to us.

By Bob_Chong on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 10:59 am: Edit

Holy babelfish!

By Thujonman on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 10:08 am: Edit

Kyle Bairnsfather is liar !!!!
and (Sebor Absinth ltd.UK )www.seborabsinth.com
www.sebor-absinth.com

People on Absinthe forum attention he's only mere consumer from Mr Martin Sebor in Czech republic .Even he isn't nor official representation from distillery Martin Sebor.Kyle oneself only strive steal name Mr Sebor , it that is why to could product Sebor Absinth which derive from Mr Sebor sell under much more prices in UK and other country . Even am find out so Kyle wanted steal trade mark from Mr Martin Sebor but it with to him unsuccessful more inf here: www.upv.cz That is why Kyle for this theft establish fictitious firm Sebor Absinth s.r.o. in Czech republic city Jesenik - Domasov.
Kyle purchase for export it here in Czech republic under less how 5 $ on one bottle Sebor Absinth 0,5 litre. In reality it is only classic Absinth from Mr Sebor with export etiquette and bit more thujone. I'm it seen directly in distillery from Mr Sebor . Every one can visit distillery Mr Martin Sebor in Czech republic and know truth.

Here is address.

Distillery of Martin Sebor
Vyhlidky 17
Krasna Lipa
Czech Republic

Query : What you rather will you defend these thief and liar : www.sebor-absinth.com , www.seborabsinth.com and help to them even to biggers wealth ?