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By Wolfgang on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 07:42 am: Edit

Wow, thanks for this piece of history Don.


It reminds me of Monty Pyton and the Holy grail...you know the knight who don't want to surrender ;-)

By Artemis on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 07:15 am: Edit


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There is a nice photograph in Barnaby Conrads book (I think). It shows about 40 empty Pernod crates in the old factory all stacked up. Each one has the name of a differant country stamped onto it.




There's an echo in here!!

Those crates are not empty. They were not branded with the destination until they were filled with bottles. Pernod's promotional pamphlet says:

Les caisses clouées sont alignées dans les vastes halles dont nous avons parlé plus haut, là elles sont marquées au feu, agrafées et chargées sur les wagons qui les attendent à la porte.

"Nailed shut" and then "marked with fire".

By Wormwood on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 06:55 am: Edit

There is a nice photograph in Barnaby Conrads book (I think). It shows about 40 empty Pernod crates in the old factory all stacked up. Each one has the name of a differant country stamped onto it.

I illustrates well how much of the world was drinking Pernod's absinthe at the time. Check it out, maybe there is a Mexico box in the pile.

Don, maybe you can take a similar photo of your shipping boxes when you start shipping.

By Don_Walsh on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 06:18 am: Edit

Aha. I am wrong again. Maximilian, a Hapsburg prince and Archduke of Austria, was placed on throne of Mexico by Napoleon III and executed in 1867 after the French withdrawal.

As a Comte Walsh de Serrant was chamberlain to Napoleon III, I had better stop probing into this, as the family appears to have a hand in it.

By Don_Walsh on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 06:00 am: Edit

I think you can safely assume that the Green Fairy played a part in the Legion's carousing at least upuntil 1915, which would have given them at leasy52 years of absinthe drinking re Battle of Camarone.

I still am unsure what the French were up to in Mexico at a time when the South (Confederacy) was engaged in the War of Northern Aggression...didn't Maximillion get executed in the 40s?

By Luger on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 01:34 am: Edit

>No, you were right about the year.

I cheated, I looked it up :-)
Did your source say anything about with *what* they made themselves drunk while celebrating this defeat? Could it be green?
:-)

Luger

By Don_Walsh on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 12:45 am: Edit

No, you were right about the year. Amd I was wrong about the rank, the officer was Captain Danjou and the hand is wooden, apparently he had lost the original equipment and acquired a prosthetic.

It was as follows:

"A convoy carrying gold bullion is about to leave Vera Cruz,
bound for the interior of Mexico.
Escorting the convoy is the
Third Company of the First Battalion of the Foreign Legion.
Its effective strength (due to yellow fever)
is 62 legionnaires (no officers).
Three officers volunteer to go with them:
Captain Danjou, Lt. Vilain (the pay officer), and 2nd Lt. Maudet.

The Mexican sector commander, Colonel Milan,
learns of the convoy and makes plans to capture it.
He musters 2,000 men, including 800 cavalry armed with
Remington and Winchester rifles.
The French have no idea that a large Mexican force
is in the area.

Before 7 a.m. on 30 April, the convoy passes through
the village of Camerone. A mile later, the legionnaires halt
and make fires to boil coffee.
At that moment, the Mexican cavalry attacks.
The legionnaires form square.
The terrain is not good for a cavalry attack,
due to waist-high grass and clumps of tropical vegetation.
Milan's men are kept at a distance by French volleys,
and maneuver instead to surround the Legionnaires.
The Legion's mules have run off, taking the rations and
reserve ammunition with them.

To avoid being surrounded, the Legionnaires move
still in square the mile back to Camerone.
They arrive with 42 men left, including wounded.
The village consists of a farmhouse and outbuildings,
plus some ruined hovels, all enclosed in a courtyard.
The French begin setting up barricades and
improving their positions.

At 9 a.m., the Mexican infantry (three battalions, 1200 men) arrive.
They make several assaults on Camerone. Around noon,
Milan calls on the Legionnaires to surrender.
Danjou instead persuades his men to fight to the end.

About this time, a Mexican assault reaches the
upper story of the farmhouse.
Danjou is killed, and Vilain is in charge.
Two hours later, Vilain is slain, and Maudet takes command.
At 5 p.m., only Maudet and 12 legionnaires remain alive.
The Mexicans light the farmhouse on fire, forcing the French
to flee across the courtyard to an outhouse.
The Legionnaires still refuse to surrender.

After a brief lull, the Mexicans mass and slowly approach the
outhouse, it is 6 p.m. Maudet and the 5 survivors fire a volley,
then charge the Mexicans with bayonets fixed.
They are engulfed by the Mexican infantry.
Three of the legionnaires who made the final charge
were captured, and survived the battle.


April 30th is celebrated as Camerone Day by the Foreign Legion,
and is the most cherished battle in the history of the Legion.
The word "Camerone" is inscribed in gold on the walls of
Les Invalides in Paris.
Danjou's wooden hand rests in the
Legion Hall of Honour in Aubagne."

By Don_Walsh on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 12:35 am: Edit

That Mexican battle was the one where the colonel in command died, and the Legion still keeps his mummified hand in a small casket and they parade it around on the anniversary of the battle. It's a five day binge afterwards for Legionaires and ex-Legionaires, their annual antics in Saigon were and are legendary.

But I think you have the date wrong, I think the French adventure in Mexico, promoting Emporer Maximillian (a relative of one of the lesser Napoleons), ended somewhat earlier than 1863, but I'd have to look this up to really challenge the year.

By Chrysippvs on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 03:27 pm: Edit

I have a pernod fils label that is specifically for Argetinia, Paraguray, and Uruguay. I have seem them for such odd lands as Moldavia, Bukovina, Siam (looking for em Don?), and numerous others. It seems that the Pernod Fils compnay color coated the later for specific areas of the world, and then added a small attachment to the bottom specifying the exact country of exportation.

So a bottle of absinthe from Mexico is like any other, I will beleive it when I see it.

However this guy does look shady, but if we get some nice pics of the label, liquid line, an intact seal, then we can start talking about price.

By Luger on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 02:43 pm: Edit

"Didn't the French have a presence in Mexico at some time, as they did in New Orleans, Southeast Asia,
Africa, etc.
etc.?"

Shame on you my French descending friend!

La Legion was there 1863. They went to battle at a farm called Cameron, and IIRC only 3 of them survived.
The other fought to the end and refused to surrender. That was the end of the French intervention, but for
the legion it was the beginning. Since then they celebrate "Cameron day"
because it is (to them) a perfect example of soldiering. Remember that next time you wonder why you they
fought so hard at Dien Bien Phu.
A good example? No not at all, but a good story :-)

Luger

By Artemis on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 08:19 am: Edit

Didn't the French have a presence in Mexico at some time, as they did in New Orleans, Southeast Asia, Africa, etc. etc.?

Look at the picture (Delahaye's or Conrad's book) of the Pernod loading dock. There are crates of absinthe branded with the names of destinations all around the world. I don't find it strange that a bottle of Pernod absinthe should turn up today in any of those places.

By Btyre on Wednesday, July 04, 2001 - 08:13 am: Edit

Yes, Mexico. The only place in the world where absinthe is widely accepted and inexpensive.

That just explains everything.

Brett.

By Oxygenee on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 11:45 pm: Edit

You forget to mention that the vendor is located in that epicentre of the high class absinthe trade, Mexico City.....

By Btyre on Tuesday, July 03, 2001 - 11:23 pm: Edit

Just looking through E-bay, and I came upon something I can not believe.

"THIS IS A VERY VERY RARE NEVER OPENED BOTTLE OF ABSINTHE BOTTLED BY PERNOD FILS IN 1913 THIS IS A COLLECTORS ITEM THIS BEVERAGE WAS IN THE MARKET NOT FOR LONG BECAUSE STUDIES SHOWED IT wAS CAUSING BRAIN DAMAGE SO THEY FORBBIDEN ITS SELLING A VERY REDUCED NUMBER OF THIS BOTTLES EXIST IN THE WORLD ."

The seller, who has 0 feedback is selling this starting at $2500, and has no pictures.

I thought Pernod stopped bottling absinthe in 1912?

Just a warning.

Brett.

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