|By Don_walsh on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 12:34 pm: Edit|
Oh, Petermarc, I have remarkably little problem with women in any attitude or posture. Younger, I would conform myself to their forms and have at it. Nowdays, I relax, and if necessary, poke them with a stick. Otherwise I merely observe and have another absinthe, of course.
|By Melinelly on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 10:19 am: Edit|
oh yeah, Boodles. i have to agree with Grim. this is the best value when it comes to taste for the dollar. we sell it where i work in 750ml and 1.75L.
if anyone has trouble finding either Boodles or Junipero (i'm not sure how far east Junipero is available as it's made in relatively small batches here in the SF bay area), email me and i can get a bottle out to ya at cost to me (10% off our retail) plus shipping.
here's my email if any are interested:
i recently sent Justin some La Muse Verte, so he can vouch for me you need. and you can look up my eBay user profile either by my email addy or my user name "polemiceye"
|By Petermarc on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 09:58 am: Edit|
you have a problem with this?
|By Don_walsh on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 08:25 am: Edit|
|By Petermarc on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 08:08 am: Edit|
take the opposite (no women inside since 1762) and then turn it sideways and you have my idea of what a good club should be...i think...
|By Don_walsh on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 07:23 am: Edit|
No women inside Boodles since 1762. This was because PRIOR to 1762 the famous gentlemens' club was pretty much a brothel. The arrival of the inbred, loopy and faggoty Hanoverian dynasty (George the Elector of Hanover, Germany, and his kin) eventually spelled the demise for these places as actually having sex...with WOMEN...went out of fashion at least among the aristos and those who liked to mimick them.
It was George III who the American colonials had a tiff with and he was famous for believing that a certain oak in Hyde Park was Frederick the Great. Right balmy he was, very much in a Peter O'Toole "The Ruling Class" sort of way. Great movie, even if you aren't British.
|By Grimbergen on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 06:52 am: Edit|
Boodles is available in the US. If I can find it where I live, than I am sure it is availble elsewhere.
|By Don_walsh on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 05:45 am: Edit|
Any connection between Boodles Gin and Boodles the gentlemen's club in London? No woman inside since 1762?
|By Wormwood on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 01:31 am: Edit|
I had heard about absinthe, but I belived all the
hype about it so I was never interested in trying
it. They used to put lots of nasty stuff in
alcoholic beverages, I just assumed absinthe was
another flavor of poison crap people used to
drink. Why else would it have been outlawed. The
brewing purity law was passed to prevent harmful
ingrediants in beer.
I became interested in it again in 1989 after
reading the Scientific American article in June.
After some more reading more about it, I wanted to
I started collecting information about it, when I
discovered Kalistis site I have been lurking here
ever since. Occasionally making contribution now
I collect spoons too but unfortunatly most of the
spoons I need now are too expensive for my budget
so I have stopped adding to that collection.
|By Petermarc on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 01:06 am: Edit|
boodles used to be quite common in the 50's and 60's, the favorite of john d. macdonald's character 'travis mcgee'... the last bottle i saw was part of my uncle's liquor stash in the florida keys, which could have been just as old...
|By Gadfly on Friday, January 05, 2001 - 12:51 am: Edit|
Vodka!?! Why does everybody say vodka has no
flavor? It tastes like formaldehyde to me. No, I drink
Sapphire martinis because I like the mild juniper flavor.
Sometimes, subtle is wonderful.
Boodles... why do I suspect I won't be able to find it
here in Atlanta?
|By Tcsmit on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 11:03 pm: Edit|
"unfortunately, I don't expect to have cause to go to Augusta any time soon. I've been in Atlanta since 1987 and I ain't been there yet!"
At least you've been in Georgia long enough to start saying 'ain't'. That's a good sign, IMHO.
|By Grimbergen on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 12:00 pm: Edit|
Way to go Petermarc! Boodles, if you can find it, is probably the best gin on the market. It is definitely the best value for money. Malacca is my second favorite. I would only recommend sapphire as a compromise gin; something for a vodka martini drinker who doesn't care too much for gin. The flavor is just too weak.
|By Gadfly on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 11:51 am: Edit|
Wow - a plethora of responses in such a short time. Am
I about to get sucked into this forum to the chagrine of
my employer and loved ones? C'est la boisson!
A few replies and comments (in no particular order):
General: I didn't mean to start a thread about martinis
but of course, that's the way it works, eh? Since we're
on it, thanks for the tips. I've got a couple other gins to
look out for and try. I'll start with Junipero, Boodles
(love the name!) and Tanqueray "Ten."
Absente: I see the point about the marketing angle. A
thing is just a thing but marketing types always have to
muck up the works. Fortunately, the waiter that poured
my first drink of it warned me that it wasn't real
absinthe - he described it as a tolerable alternative
when the real thing was unavailable. I entered into the
relationship with no illusions and wasn't disappointed.
After tasting Absente neat I never bothered to try it
with sugar - it didn't need it, plenty sweet for my
tastes. I just diluted it with an equal amount of
sparkling water and an ice cube or two. I've also done
a little more browsing amongst the retail absinthe web
sites and have since discovered that if I buy at least a
few bottles of the real thing from
www.spiritscorner.com then the price with shipping
averages out to approx. $34 USD which is what I paid
for Absente locally. No dummy me, I'm going to place an
order very soon for 4 bottles or so. My first (and only)
purchase was a single Mari Mayans 55 from
www.absenta.com and with shipping it set me back
$68 USD. Kinda steep for a bottle I finished in two
Chrysippvs: I agree about a little bitterness. I like it in
many of my drinks. Anyone ever heard of moxie? It's a
cola-like soda made with gentian root. When I drank it
as a teenager in New England I remember it being
quite bitter. I recently was up there and bought a
bottle - it was sweeter than I remembered it but still
Melinelly & Anatomist1: Oh, and since we're talking
about gin and tonics, I have to say I always add a dash
of Angostura bitters to mine. Now that's a perfect drink!
I like the mildness of Sapphire for martinis, particularly
because my idea of dry is to pour a little vermouth in
the glass and then dump it out before pouring the gin!
For a gin & tonic I always use Tanqueray because the
flavor of the gin doesn't get overwhelmed by the tonic.
I think I'll skip mixing absinthe with other liquors for
now. I've got too much to learn about it on it's own
Tcsmit: If I'm ever in Augusta, I would be open to
meeting and sharing a drink of "A" - unfortunately, I
don't expect to have cause to go to Augusta any time
soon. I've been in Atlanta since 1987 and I ain't been
|By Petermarc on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 10:01 am: Edit|
i'm going to hunt down a decent bottle of gin in this town just to try this recipe, i think,tomorrow (can you believe there is a brand called 'old lady's gin' that is sold here in france?)i liked boodles and bombay saphire and would love to try the anchor junipero
i think the name of the drink is appropriate but remember that french fries, french toast, french cuffs, french laundries, french kiss, french ticklers, etc., don't exist here under those names...but the french martini will...it's ordering a plain old martini here that gets you screwed...
|By Pataphysician on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 09:16 am: Edit|
>I've never tried that Tanqueray with extra spices and the map on the label >though.
I have. It's great. Much more complex and flavorful, without being weird. It restored my faith in Gin. If you want something really fabulous, try this: Make a standard Dry Martini with it and add a spoonful of Absinthe. It's a party in your mouth. A very SOPHISTICATED party. I've heard it called a French Martini, but I'm sure Petermarc would dispute that description!
|By Petermarc on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 08:34 am: Edit|
i think gadfly brings up a good point, if you try absente and like it (it really is much better than many other pastis, and has a nice color)you will definitely like/love absinthe...it is still cheaper than any absinthe (plus shipping) you can buy in the usa, and you can decide if this flavor-route is the one you want to take and explore (you have no idea how much better this gets, gadfly)if not, stick with gin (the english absinthe, used by colonial troops in india to make quinine tonic more bearable to counter malaria, just like absinthe for the french troops in algeria )which is another creature that i also like but hardly ever drink anymore (order a martini in france and see what you get, a crappy red or white-wine-based-italian-poor-excuse-for-a-drink---oh there's vermouth, not a good enough reason to drink it!)...the french have as much respect for gin now as the english did for absinthe...
|By Pikkle on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 08:23 am: Edit|
Each absinthe I like, I like for what it is... just
like one would enjoy beer. I like Labatt's Blue
for an all around beer, I enjoy a good pale ale
when I'm in the mood for something more
bitter and a honey wheat beer when I prefer
something sweeter. I've come to accept the
absinthes I enjoy for what they are, despite
their diversity and apparent lack of similarity to
the original products. As these become
available, I will probably not change what I like,
rather just add to the repetoire.
|By Chrysippvs on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 07:55 am: Edit|
I agree Martin, absinthe should have a certain bitterness. That is the most plesant thing about good la bleue and vintage absinthe, the dry clear bitterness when taken near and/or sans sucre. Spanish absinthe and some la bleues are just too sweet for my tastes.
|By Martin on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 06:51 am: Edit|
I had a Bombay Sapphire Martini once... it was okay, but I don't think I'm a big fan of Martinis. Except, I've been making some "Absinthe Martinis" lately and they've been special. Absinthe and Vermouth go together better than Kool-Aid and 7-Up (my favorite childhood drink). I usually make it with absinthe, vermouth (equal parts), and vodka. If you want it a little lighter, you can put soda in it too, but it probably ceases to be a martini at that point.
In fact, if you're annoyed by the overly anise flavor of most absinthes, I heartily recommend adding some vermouth to it. It makes the wonderfull wormwood bitterness much more apparent (as I think it should be).
|By Tcsmit on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 05:42 am: Edit|
Ah Gadfly, nice to see another Georgian on the board even if you were about to hit me in the head with the bottle. :)
|By Melinelly on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 05:07 am: Edit|
as for tanqueray, if you like the flavor of the green, stick with it. you might like tanqueray "ten" which is made with ten ingredients like sapphire though leans more to the green bottle flavor. the tanqueray malacca gin is the original tanqueray recipe, a basic dry gin with nice juniper and, as you say, pine. aside from Junipero, i would have to agree that tanqueray green is a nicer gin than most of the more expensive stuff out there.
|By Melinelly on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 05:04 am: Edit|
welcome to the forum, Gadfly.
i too came across this forum after purchasing a bottle of absente and then doing some research into it and modern absinthes. won't say much more about absente than look at the bottles i've got: absente, barely below the nape of the bottle neck... mari mayans, half empty... deva, almost time to crack open a new bottle.
my favorite liquor is gin. i used to be a sapphire drinker, but ever since i found anchor distilling's Junipero gin, anything else pales. it's smooth, refreshing, very aromatic. i like to sip it neat or over ice, then make what i consider to be the best gin and tonic around. no lemon or lime, just tonic and junipero. keep the flavors as clear as possible. bah! it's before noon, but all this typing about it... oh well, hehe. off to make a g and t =)
|By Anatomist1 on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 04:50 am: Edit|
I prefer Tanqueray in the green bottle to any of the fancy-pants expensive gins I've tried. To me the more expensive ones, including Saphire, have very little flavor by comparison. I've never tried that Tanqueray with extra spices and the map on the label though. If it has a stronger flavor, I suspect I'll like it better yet. The way I see it, a gin and tonic has got sweetness, sourness, bitterness, and piney-ness... not to mention bubbles and ice cubes. The gin must have a strong pine flavor so that it's note can be heard in the cacophony.
|By Tabreaux on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 04:19 am: Edit|
Aside from the fact that Absente is an 'absinthe-substitute' that sports less content than similar pastis at almost double the price, it isn't the product itself that has people bothered, but rather the misleading marketing campaign behind it. This is what draws criticism from all angles.
To be frank, this product is marketed such as to proclaim it as 'absinthe refined', which is weasel-wording to get around from the fact that it cannot be called "absinthe", and is not absinthe anyway. Absinthe 'refined' (i.e. compromised) to be not absinthe equals no absinthe. Furthermore, this product is not very similar to absinthe of old (which it claims to be).
As for the product itself, I must say that it is somewhat better than the staple pastis products (e.g. Pernod), although not 200% of the cost better. Like typical pastis (and many modern absinthes), adding sugar to it makes it sickeningly sweet, so skip that step. Sadly, I must acknowledge that 95% of legitimate absinthe products really aren't any better (but cost less), and the ones that are markedly better are seemingly difficult to obtain.
|By Gadfly on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 03:48 am: Edit|
Although you're practically close enough to me for me
to fling the empty bottle at your head, I wouldn't do
that. In fact, I expect a few disparaging comments
about my liking Absente.
Think of it this way. Suppose you had never heard of,
nor tasted absinthe, and someone gave you a glass of
Absente saying that it's a liquer similar to Pernod. What
do you think you would say about it?
Similarly, I'm a Bombay Sapphire martini drinker but I
can still enjoy a martini made with Tangueray or even
Gordon. However, I don't think I would enjoy a Boston
martini so I suppose it's possible that as my taste for
absinthe develops and I become exposed to the finer
brands, it's possible I will outgrow, and perhaps even
view with disdain, the lesser drink that Absente is
supposed to be.
We shall see.... and I look forward to the journey.
|By Tcsmit on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 02:04 am: Edit|
**Quickly ducks and runs for the exit... **
|By Gadfly on Thursday, January 04, 2001 - 12:22 am: Edit|
I've always liked the anise flavoured liquers, Pernod,
Pastis, etc. and I have known about absinthe for most
of my adult life so it was with great pleasure that I
discovered the ability to purchase the real thing online,
what with it not being legal in the states.
My first absinthe drink was of what I've recently heard
referred to as "fake" absinthe. It was in a small Atlanta
restaurant - as I walked in I noticed a bottle of
"Absente" on a display case near the entry. I asked the
waiter about it and he explained that it was a new
French brew that was legal in the states due to a
modified recipe that didn't contain wormwood. I tried it,
I liked it, and I immediately went out and bought a
bottle. In the same way that gin, vodka, bourbon, etc.
each has it's own distinct "high" this Absente had what
I called a "clear" high different from other alchoholic
beverages. I enjoyed the flavour and the buzz so much
I went online to see if I could find out anything about
I never found anything specific about Absente but I
found this web site (among others). Imagine my delight
when I also discovered several ways that I could buy
the real thing. I didn't wait to sort out all the different
brands and sources - I quickly ordered a bottle of Mari
Mayans 55 from www.absenta.com. The shipping fee
made it quite an expensive bottle, $67 USD, but the
excitement I felt about the purchase diminished the
pain. Fortunately, it arrived just in time for New Year's
I opened the bottle with a few friends, most of whom
only had one glass. I, on the other hand, drank 6 or 7
glasses over an eight hour period. Frankly, I loved it. I
didn't find it to be drastically different from the Absente
but I did feel a sharper sense of the "clear" high I
described earlier. The conversation was raucous and
witty. I felt energized but relaxed, drunk but only mildly
so, thirsty and a little cotton-mouthed. Late in the
evening I felt a little bit wobbly and dizzy for brief
fleeting moments but never nauseous or unpleasant.
All in all, I thoroughly enjoyed the experience and look
forward to delving deeper into a relationship with
My next purchase will be a sampler, including Serpis,
Deva, and Mari Mayans 70. I'm going to wait to try the
more expensive Le Blue when I know a bit more and
feel confident that I have a good source. I will also
continue to buy the French Absente simply because it's
so much more affordable and not a bad drink at all,
even if it's "fake."
Finally, let me say that I have enjoyed reading this
forum and I look forward to participating.
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