What is it with Mike Tyson?

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By Bjacques on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 06:26 pm: Edit

Fred Blassie?

By Pan on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 04:35 pm: Edit

Yuh know, something said earlier really resonates.

Heavyweight fighting hasn't been the same since the Triumvirate. Really, how could it? You had three of the best boxers in the history of the sport beating the Hell out of each other, with two of them in the prime of their careers and The Greatest smacking them around with alacrity that belied his age.

I won't go so far as to say who else is on the roster of Best Ever, but I don't think you can put Tyson in the top ten.

Artist: You weren't talkin' about Roy Jones, Jr., were you? What an amazing fighter he is, and I think he has a single coming out in the near future.

-Dev

By Petermarc on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 03:46 pm: Edit

tyson is a piece of shit...the idea that anyone could give him money for what he does makes me throw up...it is humans like him that give humans a bad name...the best thing is to turn him into soilent green as soon as possible...

By Baz on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 02:13 pm: Edit

Latest on Tyson:
He was granted a license to box in georgia, but returned it after the governor called him a "sexual predator". Can you believe anybody would say that about mike? He has now been granted a license in Washingto D.C. and will try to fight lewis there.
There is still nothing of use coming out of washington...

By Tavarua on Saturday, January 26, 2002 - 09:29 am: Edit

Ok, let's see, I've talked smack on Zito and Van Dame. What else did I want to say? Tyson, you're a pussy. Yea, that's it.

Tavarua
(going into hiding)

By Tavarua on Saturday, January 26, 2002 - 09:25 am: Edit

But you may be right. How could he not expect to get punched in the face after "Lion Feart." What the shit was that. It was like "Street Fighter", another one of his gems, but in the sewer.

By Tavarua on Saturday, January 26, 2002 - 09:21 am: Edit

Sucker punching is bad enough, but while looking at Strippers? That's like baiting a deer, then blinding him with a spotlight, then jumping out of a tree to stab in the aorta with a pointy object.

By Anatomist on Saturday, January 26, 2002 - 09:07 am: Edit

After seeing bits of a few Van Damme movies, and reading an interview with him, I can understand why somebody would sucker punch him while he was looking at strippers.

K.

By Tavarua on Saturday, January 26, 2002 - 09:00 am: Edit

It was Chuck Zito guarding Tyson? Definately a publicity stunt. BTW - Chuck was not only a member of the Hells Angels club, but also the President, of the New York chapter. You don't get status like that by selling the most candy bars. Also, all the articles mention him beating Van Dame at the club, but they don't say that Zito sucker punched him while Van Dame was still in his chair.

By Wormwood on Friday, January 25, 2002 - 06:22 pm: Edit

The name of the Hells Angel you are talking about is Chuck Zito, he is not a criminal anymore, he only plays one on TV.

He is an actor (on the HBO series OZ) where he plays a though guy convict.

He also worked as a bouncer at a strip club called Scores in New York and bitch slapped Jean Claude Van Dame one night when he got out of hand.

http://www.pagesix.com/celebritynews/36329.htm
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/zito/zito.shtml

Here's an interview if your interested.
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/investing/20000713d.asp

By Pablo on Friday, January 25, 2002 - 12:21 am: Edit

Sorry guys! I didn't mean to piss Tyson off (that little bee'ach!). But its a good thing the Hells Angel was there to protect him. It would have been a shame to have to kick his ass.

By Artist on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 01:55 pm: Edit

What's this? A sports figure crossed over into one of the arts? Maybe music?

Anybody know what I am talking about? (Come on, Head, I'm counting on you...)

By Barsnake on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 01:52 pm: Edit

I can believe it was put on - by Tyson
- I realize boxing has always had nefarious characters associated. Don King is a convicted murderer, after all. when there are only two people in the ring - and a multi million dollar purse - yeah it is natural to suspect some under handed behavior. BUT, at least King and all the other "crooks" put on a suit and try to look respectable - a respectable pimp, maybe, but they try. My reaction to the Hell's Angel Colors is - why don't they just bring in the Bloods and the Crips and the Mexican gangs and the Mafia and the Sopranos and just throw down. All this on nationally televised press conference.

By Heiko on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 01:24 pm: Edit

Maybe it was only PR - now it's Tyson here, Tyson there. Everyone will watch the fight.

Have you seen how Tyson missed the guy he tried to beat first? That didn't look like he ever boxed, it looked more like a stuntman trying to come close but not actually hit...

By Verawench on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 01:13 pm: Edit

He's also about to be arrested - again - for alleged rape.

By Lordhobgoblin on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 01:02 pm: Edit

Yeah, Tyson bit Holyfield's ear to avoid an honest beating. Now he's doing his best to avoid get his next big fight stopped before it even starts because Lennox Lewis is a class fighter and Tyson's knows that he'll get beaten by him.

Tyson's fucking pathetic that's what he is.

But as to the point about him associating with criminals, well where would boxing be without criminals and pseudo-criminals, nowhere. Boxing (at least in the UK) has it's roots in deprived working-class areas where those with the cash to fund it, at the very least, have strong under-world connections.

Hobgoblin

By Artist on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 11:46 am: Edit

I don't know...I think Ali brought a tremendous amount of interest and excitement to the sport of boxing. Certainly, his personality was a great portion of that.

And, lest we not forget, his wonderful contribution to the world of pop music made him into an even more interesting person...

By _Blackjack on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 11:26 am: Edit

Tyson's problem is that he was a man who already had whole lot of psychological issues when, at a very young age, suddenly found himself garnering huge amounts of approval, validation and money by engaging in violence. It's little wonder he never learned proper impulse-control.


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As far as Tyson being an 'excellent fighter', I have to scoff at that statement too.



No, Tyson is (or was in is prime) an excelent FIGHTER. He was, however, a mediocre BOXER. Like you say, he relied too much on power and aggression and not enough on technique. Saying that Ali in his prime would have made a fool of him goes without saying; Tyson is not even remotely on Ali's level.

I haven't watched boxing in a while. When Foreman regained the championship, it sorta seemed like there wasn't much point left. Don't get me wrong; I love George. His later fighting style--let the guy wear himself out hitting you and then throw a freight train at him--resembles my own. However, it did not speak well for the quality of heavyweights out there that a man in his forties who didn't bother with technque could win and hold the belt.

I hope conditions have improved.

By Barsnake on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 11:12 am: Edit

Yeah - you're probably right - excellent boxer in the technical sense - no but before he started spinning off there wasn't any body around that could beat him...it was like punching a big ol' tree.
I agree with you on Ali - that would have been to see - Tyson v Ali - both in the prime.

By Anatomist on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 10:22 am: Edit

I haven't heard the news on the latest Tyson embarassment, but when it comes to boxing, how could he 'bring the game into disrepute' any more than it pretty much always has been? Boxing has always been the crookedest, sleaziest, greed-fest this side of professional wrestling.

As far as Tyson being an 'excellent fighter', I have to scoff at that statement too. He had one or two rounds of frenetic, extremely hard punches to unload at the beginning of fights and that was it. Buster Douglas used boxing skills to weather the intial storm and won handily... as Holyfield was going to, which is why Tyson resorted to cheating to avoid an honest defeat. A young Muhammed Ali would have made Tyson look like a complete fool.

K.

By Sicboy13 on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 09:51 am: Edit

Mike Tyson is best remembered as an 8-bit Nintendo game known simply as "Punch-Out".

By Barsnake on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 09:47 am: Edit

Have read HST's book - plan to read Sonny Barger's also -
I ride motorcycles - have been to numerous events where H.A. has a big presence. I know that when club members come into contact with "civilians" there is the extremely high possibility of some trouble. H. A. are not even the biggest offenders in that regard - there are other clubs that are alot nastier.

By Cheese on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 12:02 am: Edit

Mind you, they (the Angels) ran Altamont security too. We're just lucky they weren't involved in the fight the other day.

By Cheese on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 11:59 pm: Edit

Barsnak, Pikkle, read Thompsons "Hells Angels". You'll find outlaw both describes their activities (most of 'em) and their status in the AMA.

By Marccampbell on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 10:19 pm: Edit

pikkle,

whats with the racist jive talk?

By Head_Prosthesis on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 08:01 pm: Edit

Sometimes my end on those humpdays.

By Head_Prosthesis on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 08:01 pm: Edit

What is it with Mike Tyson?

He's my special friend, in the end.

By Etienne on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 06:35 pm: Edit

The term "outlaw" simply refers to the club not being sanctioned by the American Motorcycle Assn. Doesn't really imply anything about the members personal habits.

By Barsnake on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 02:23 pm: Edit

Maybe it's the term "Outlaw" - their word, not mine. Maybe it's the fact that they have been investigated and indicted under the RICO act. Or the fact that if you piss one of them off your life expectancy drops to zero. You pick. - er I mean pikk.
It may seem like an irresponsible comment to you...but it it walks like a duck, etc.

By Pikkle on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 11:52 am: Edit

What is so clear about his associations with criminals because there are Hell's Angels in his escort? Are you to say that all Hell's Angels are criminals? That is akin to saying all Arabs are terrorists. Please check your irresponsible statements at the door.

By Barsnake on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 11:27 am: Edit

He is truly a THUG!
It is so sad to watch - whether this is all by design or what - he was such an excellent fighter. There was nobody that could beat him. His first manager pulled him up out of the streets and saved his life. Made him respectable...now he's just back in the gutter. A tough gangster that is so wrapped up in himself he can't see straight.
And waht's the deal with the Colors wearing Hell's Angel in his escort? Why would any boxing commision clear him to fight? He is clearly associating with criminals.

By Pikkle on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 09:42 am: Edit

Hims gittin paid no matter, dem ain gonna be awhoopin on hims no how!

By Lordhobgoblin on Wednesday, January 23, 2002 - 09:23 am: Edit

What is it with Tyson?

Did he act as he did in order to avoid the fight with Lennox Lewis because he's a coward and is afraid of being beaten?

Did he bite Holyfields ear off in order to get disqualified from that fight rather than face an honest beating?

Is he a coward or an ill-disciplined thug, or both?

Take his license away for good and fine him many millions for bringing the game into disrepute, boxing doesn't need the likes of him.

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