Sepulchritude Forum: The Absinthe Forum Archive Thru March 2002: Archive thru February 2002:STATE OF THE UNION
By Wolfgang on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 08:53 am: Edit

Hummm so this looks like a society problem...

By Pablo on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 01:35 am: Edit

Im up for a Thailand '02 newyears bash! And yeah, I get all of my posting done whaile at work too. It helps that I work the most fucked up hours (11pm to 7am). I havn't seen the sun in weeks. I do an hours worth of work in 8, and try and find other work to do. Its ironic that I do all of my job searching while I'm at work.

By Baz on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 10:07 am: Edit

If you guys are too bored at work, I could certainly use some help! Come down to Kentucky, the land of bible-thumpers, preachers, dry counties, and "ya'lls"! My posts usually come at lunch, when I'm too stressed to eat. But I can't bitch, I brought it on myself.
And I swear that thailand sounds better every day!

By Uncle on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 10:00 am: Edit

Good God man! Tell this people about the soup sai! It's all about the soup sai!!! Pablo, I feel you ! I just got my taxes done and they told me about the "tax rebate" paid last july. Yeah , Thailand sounds good.... real Good! What do you say we plan a tasting in Thailand for new year's eve 02? your man with the frown, G

By Tavarua on Saturday, February 02, 2002 - 08:39 am: Edit

Boredom eh. I work for maybe, maybe, 45 minutes a day. The other 7 hours and 15 minutes, I have to look occupied. I actually go around to other people, doing other jobs in my department, and ask if they need help. In my last job, at least I could dick around on the net during downtimes, but I don't really have that option yet at my new position.

By Verawench on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 09:49 am: Edit

Amen indeed.

Why do you think I'M here during working hours?

By Petermarc on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 07:43 am: Edit

amen, wolfgang

By Wolfgang on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 05:47 am: Edit


Pablo, I understand. You couln't believe the deepness of my boredom at work. We don't work in the same field but I'm usually under-used for moronic jobs or not used at all (hence my huge presence on this forum).

We'r programmed by the system to be littles ants working for a big boss. There's no "start your own business courses" at school unless you study only in the business/marketing field. That's why it's so dificult to get out of the track and start our own venture.

Go tell your boss your starting a little business on the side, you will see what happen...


By Don_Walsh on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 05:44 am: Edit

The other English lang. daily is The Nation. Don't bother to read the 'news' in these papers, it's garbage reporting, and will just depress you about the nadirs to which your profession can sink. (And I hold the title of Bureau Chief here, for a Washington defense intel newsletter...I never read the local papers, I find they are so riddled with bought and paid for BS that this just muddies the waters.)

By Pablo on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 05:36 am: Edit

Bangkok Post is the english language paper right? Ok, I'll check it out. Yeah, I know its a matter of just do it. Its a tough transition to make though. I do think that for me its only a matter of time. I feel that you have to enjoy what you do, or at least get some kind of satisfaction out of it. A basic paycheck only gets you so far.
Thanks for the advice. Its hard to find people who know what the hell they are talking about (me included).

By Don_Walsh on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 04:48 am: Edit

I don't know what to tell you. When I came here I did so with about $3000 and the intention to stay a month or so and then go home and cash out my business and come back. Instead I just stayed on, got lucky, made some connections with Thais in same business I was -- military weapons -- and went back to work.

At times it was a trial, it's no fun to go broke in a strange place far from home. But, I survived and overcame. Finally quit the arms business in '95, sold broadcast electronics for a year and a half, then went to work for a Senator friend managing the international side of his law firm. Started my present venture in '98 and haven't looked back.

The principle temptations are to stay drunk (or for some people, stay high) or to spend all your $$ in the bars. Like the sign says "Half of my money I spent on women and liquor. The rest I just wasted."

If there's a way to land a high paying job here, and avoid the bumpy road to success that way, I sure don't know it. You can try obtaining The Bangkok Post and studying the classifieds I suppose.

By Pablo on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 03:27 am: Edit

Yeah, I've looked into it. I really considered it for a while, and almost did in Korea. But then I realized I would be in Korea.
The main problem I have with freelancing is making a living while getting established. (Theres always a catch isn't there?)
Im still kicking the idea around. Meanwhile I'm getting everything together in case I do (contact lists of the international editors etc...)
It is definately something I dream about (especially when my boss tells me to do some moronic story that has no interest to people).

By Don_Walsh on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 02:26 am: Edit

Probably an even worse Domme.

No journalist jobs that I know of.

There are always low paying positions for illegally employed English teachers in dodgy private English-conversation schools.

I don't recommend that!

Have you considered freelancing?

By Pablo on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 01:50 am: Edit

Don, do you know anyone looking for journalists in Thailand?
I'll pay a finders fee!
(pablo desperately wanting to go to tropical paradise)

P.S. I would make a lousy Dom.

By Pablo on Friday, February 01, 2002 - 01:47 am: Edit

Ok. Thailand it is.

(Printing money. Hmmmm. I just got that new laser printer........)

By Pikkle on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 06:12 pm: Edit

I just drank some bourbon and soda... it was good.

By Mr_Carfax on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 06:08 pm: Edit

"Australia is actually, IMHO, even more intrusive, government wise, into the affairs of small business than is the USA. (I could be wrong.)"

Nope, you're right

"High taxes, stupid GST, etc. VERY high unemployement."

True...all true....

Actually, we just had our "Australia Day" holiday, and I have felt less than patriotic this year- our government thinks the best way to treat refugees is mandatory detention in a third rate prison in the desert while they provide no accountability or transparency to the refugee application process, which they start and stop at their whim, restrict the media from monitoring the situation and then attack lawyers for daring to represent the refugees for nothing to try to hold the government accountable to legal process- no wonder we have people in these centres sewing their mouths shut in protest.

Very ironic for a country based on convict settlement.

But hey, we have good beer (excluding the Fosters crap we export to the rest of you...)

By Etienne on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 05:51 pm: Edit

Hell, Don, I thought that was funny. ;-)

By Don_Walsh on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 03:22 pm: Edit

Destiny -- if you are onsidering a career as a comic -- don't quit your day job.

By Destiny on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 03:08 pm: Edit

So Don, your partner's wife want's yaa dong, huh?

By Chevalier on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 03:00 pm: Edit

"One of our partners' wives, however, just loves Jade. Is always hitting me up for a bottle."

Envy, the other green monster, has just reared its ugly head in my Jade-less fountain of patience. Grrr ...

By Don_Walsh on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 02:50 pm: Edit

The Thai word for absinthe is absinthe. The Thai word for whiskey is whiskey (or scotch).

The generic Thai phrase for herbal liqueurs is yaa dong, and illegal bars specializing in bootleg untaxed Thai herbal liqueurs abound in the countryside. Thailand is famous for its herbs, used in cooking and medicine, and also in liqueur making. Basic Thai moonshine is 'lao khao' (white liquor) bearing names like 'Eleven Tigers' and is sold openly but illegally throughout the country. Skip it. The yaa dong, however, might be more interesting.

Yaa dong is very cheap; so the Thais do not understand why absinthe, which they regard just as a western yaa dong, is so bloody expensive. One of our partners' wives, however, just loves Jade. Is always hitting me up for a bottle.

Maybe we will do an Absinthe House here, someday, when we have the time and need a tax write-off. Absinthe and Thai girls. Not a bad combination...we could hire in Marc to design the place...

By Don_Walsh on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 02:38 pm: Edit

Thai immigration policy: US citizens can enter without visa for 30 days. (That is, visas are issued on arrival at airport.) Visas for up to 90 days are available at Thai consulates. Multiple 90 day visas are possible. 90 day visas are called Non Immigrant and are class B business, class O other and class M media. Once in, there are a number of ways to get a visa extended to 1 year, renewable in country. I had a 90 day visa extended, 1 year at a time, for more than 10 years, and when I needed to leave temporarily I just got a re-entry permit and the visa was unaffected.

With a little more effort you can get a Permanent Resident status, which has some advantages.

What's ex-pat life like? Good enough that I don't like returning home. When I do it is a chore.

Yes I am in Bangkok, the big city (11 million.) If you prefer a less noisy, less polluted lifestyle, Chiang Mai in the far north, Nong Khai on the Mekong River in the northeast, Phuket in the Andaman Sea, all have their charms. I would avoid Pattaya -- if you want a beach resort go to Hua Hin or Cha-am or Prachuab Kiri Khan or Krabi.

Language: Thai is not difficult to learn to read and write, nor to speak. Get yourself a 'sleeping dictionary' and you will be speaking (profane bargirl) Thai in no time. Anyway, most people do not bother but that's a shame. If you want to sound more upmarket than a bar girl, take a Thai course at the AUA (Alumni of American Universities.)

By Wolfgang on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 01:19 pm: Edit

Ya, how do we say "absinthe" in Thai ? I guess they don't even have a word to say that.

By Chevalier on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 01:15 pm: Edit

To whoever wants to live in Thailand: Are you prepared to learn the language(s) spoken and written there? Or do you plan to live in an "English-language bubble"? True, English has become an international language, but there are limits.

By _Blackjack on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 01:04 pm: Edit


But, Pablo mentioned Australia, and aren't they reasonably good at Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

Not if you want a gun...

By Baz on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 12:46 pm: Edit

blackjack is right about that-Some countries (esp in europe) have it much worse...

By _Blackjack on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 12:40 pm: Edit


The worst part, is its OUR money to begin with.

Did you print it yourself?

BTW, you're unlikely to find a country with LOWER taxes than the US that also has sanitation and public roads.

By Maldoror on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 10:52 am: Edit


Where abouts in Thailand are you? I think I saw in one of the treads that you had mentioned Bangkok. I spent some time there last year on my way to Phnom Penh. I was thinking of heading back soon and staying longer. Other than Bangkok, and the required night at the Oriental Hotel, do you recommend other parts of the country?


By Baz on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 09:07 am: Edit

It does sound great, and is one of the only places in asia I've ever been interested in going. I wonder how much time is left on my contract before I'm free...

By Wolfgang on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 08:59 am: Edit

Absinthe without shipping cost from accros the world...Hummm What's the cost of building a pipe line in Thailand ? ;-)

By Etienne on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 06:41 am: Edit

Good question.... what is the immigration policy in Thailand? What's ex-pat life like?

By Artist on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 04:17 am: Edit

Thailand sounds awfully good...what about immigration policy?

(I'm guessing Sweden is not a favorite of yours due to the socialist gov...)

By Don_Walsh on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 03:48 am: Edit

BTW the other country I seriously considered was the Phillipines, but Thailand is much better, and in the 13 years I have been here, the P.I. have gone halfway to hell in a handbasket. Bad crime, that shoulder chip we were talking about, bad economy, worse corruption than Thailand -- in the P.I. corruption is a proble, in Thailand it;s an opportunity!.

So I believe I made the right choice.

Malaysia and Indonesia are Moslem.

Burma's a madhouse police state.

Cambodia's a looney bin with land mines, AK47s and grenades in the hands of the inmates.

Vietnam....nah! Been there, done that.

Singapore's an expensive tiny Chinese autocracy run by anal retentive types. I used to work for the Sg government, believe me, I KNOW.

Laos is really suburban Thailand, so I get a 'twofer' -- Vientiane, the capitol of Laos is to Nong Khai, Thailand, what Gretna is to New Orleans. Opposite bank of the (Mekong) river.

By Don_Walsh on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 03:38 am: Edit

Australia is actually, IMHO, even more intrusive, government wise, into the affairs of small business than is the USA. (I could be wrong.) High taxes, stupid GST, etc. VERY high unemployement. This is not to say that I am in any way anti-Australian. But it wouldn't be my first choice for a place to live and work. And New Zealand is worse, tax wise.

Thailand has low taxes, a VERY low cost of living, great food, a climate I love (I hate cold weather and in Thailand it is NOT an issue) and the aforementioned beautiful women. THais are very tolerant of foreigners, and easy to get along with, having never been colonized they just don't have a chip on their shoulder.

The government is reasonably laissez-faire, not as much so as Hong Kong but then HK is horribly expensive (even more than Tokyo).

The Thais and the Americans have a long relationship, and have been especially close since the end of WWII when the US prevented Britain and France from grabbing (more) Thai territory for supposedly collaborating with Japan. The Thais did no such thing, at least not willingly, and divided into pro and anti Japanese factions, the anti faction working with the OSS and SOE all through the war.

The Thais succesfully resisted a Communist insurgency in the 50s through 70s -- they were the domino that didn't fall. We helped. They remember. The Thai Army also had two paratroop divisions in Vietnam to help us, the Black Tigers and the White Horse, and they were much feared by the VC and NVA (the Thais and the Viets have been feuding for 1000 years, with poor Laos and Cambodia stuck in the middle.)

The present Thai monarch, ninth in his dynasty, was born in Cambridge, Mass. while his father attended Harvard Medical. Were he not King he could automatically be a US citizen by right of birth.

His oldest daughter renounced her place in the Royal family and married an American, and has three American children.

The Thai flag is red, white and blue.

By Artist on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 02:40 am: Edit

Me? NO WAY!!!

(Now, where'd I put that damned english/swedish dictionary?)

By Pablo on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 02:36 am: Edit

The problem with the scandanavian countries is they are filled with beautiful and HORNEY women. Trust me artist, you don't want to be anywhere near that!

(pablo blows off australia and goes to the sweedish embassy)

By Pablo on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 02:34 am: Edit

Well Don, It must be tough. Living in a tropical country filled with beautiful women, making a product thats in demand, and playing golf with generals (ok, well that one dosn't count). The sacrifices we all make.

Green with envy (and segarra)

By Artist on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 02:30 am: Edit

Dear Don,

Okay, I am presently know as Asshole (thank you for the capitalization)...

You are could not be a licensed distiller of absinthe here and not be incarerated eventually. And that is certainly a reason not to live here (in terms of the Absinthe Forum - not meant to be taken lightly) if this is what you want to do. And I actually can see what you mean by the "other/American reasons"...

But, Pablo mentioned Australia, and aren't they reasonably good at Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness?

I mean, you left for your own reasons and went to Thailand...and I have actually thought about the Scandinavian countries...


By Don_Walsh on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 02:06 am: Edit

Dear Eban presently known as Asshole

For one thing, because in the USA I couldn't be a licensed distiller of absinthe, now, could I?

That ought to be a good enough reason for the Absinthe Forum. And it is a microcosm of all the other reasons.

I moved out of the US for the most Americn reasons possible:

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

By Pablo on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 01:22 am: Edit

Im just angry. I found out our "tax refunds" that we all were supposed to get were just an advance towards the next tax rebate. IF you get a rebate.
If you owe money this season.......then you owe even more.
The worst part, is its OUR money to begin with.

By Artist on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 12:33 am: Edit


Just a question...If you believe so strongly in America, why don't you live here?


~|~ (The Eban formally know as artist)

By Pikkle on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 04:46 pm: Edit

Just saw "Black Hawk Down" Good movie, kind of reminded me of "Moulin Rouge" 'cept there wasn't any absinthe or FAL's... I'll have to talk to Ridley about that when the sequel gets set for production.

By Don_Walsh on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 03:46 pm: Edit

Don't let the swinging door hit you in the ass on the way out of the country, Pablo.

By Pablo on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 05:20 am: Edit

So, um..........

'nuff said

(pablo goes to Australian embassy to process imigration paperwork)

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