A new girl dares speak.....

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By Verdigris_Harpy on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 07:14 pm: Edit

My Fox Pox

Looks like Gorey for apoplectic epilepsy,which
in Gorey country would be a real unreal
ailment,kind of like the Vapours,which I
have heard was Victorian-speak for gas....
or maybe a Gorey conditon brought on by
vapours from too much Vick's Vap O Rub.
Or Vapors,whichever spelling was used then.
A lovely V word,either way.

I need my fainting couch...or my Curious
Sofa,but that is Unspeakable.

By Verdigris_Harpy on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 07:05 pm: Edit

Sounds like Hollywood.Or my neigborhood.Chupacabras and monkeys running loose
through the alleys all night,but they are fun,
friendly,and taste good in burritos with tomatillo
salsa.Hey,maybe a little stuffing,and a side of
absinte bread pudding.L.A is know for it's fusion
(or should that be fission?)cuisine.

I live right next door to the Sons of Norway Lodge.Once a year,they have a big lutefiske bash.
The grill,which is directly outside my back door,
is fired up,and large slabs of lutefisk is
grilled for all to enjoy.Lutefiske are prepared
by soaking it in lye in barrels,then letting
it dry,then soaking it in barrels some more,
to leach out all the lye.The it is fit to grill
and eat.

Lutefiske is a legal product in the United
states.People consume it,sing about it,
dance around it,and make alot of noise about it,
right next door to me.Huell Hauser has even
been out to video the merry making.People are
out,lined up around the corner every year.They
take up all the parking spots on my street,and scare my cat.

They dress up their children in red
dirndle like dresses and make them eat this.


Lye is a toxin.


Next time,Im calling KNBC.And,the police
station and the L.A courthouses are just blocks
away.

Just think.


you heard it
hear first.

By Mr_Rabid on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 06:15 pm: Edit

It wasn't an epileptic bicycle- it was an epipleptic bicycle.

Epiplectic is a Goreyism as far as I know... which means it aint in the dictionary.

You can pick up most Gorey books in big collections now (Amphigorey, Amphigorey Too, and Amphigorey Also.)

There are only a few missing from these collecions.

By Louched_Liver on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 06:08 pm: Edit

Hhhmmmmmm, a stuffing contest. Where would I go?

A happy, jaunty, silly land full of dirty monkeys and brain worms.

Or Jersey City.

By Verdigris_Harpy on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 05:56 pm: Edit

That sounds very yummy.Like stuffing ambrosia.
You should enter it in a contest.Really.Maybe on
of those win a trip someplace ones.Where would
you like to go if you won a my best stuffing
contest?

Bread pudding with absinthe? Woud'nt all
the alcohol cook out or do you put it in the
sauce? Very non Betty Crocker.Maybe Martha Stewart
on a happy day,maybe doing a Mardis Gras theme
show.

Can stuffing be pix-ilated and teletransported
via internet?

No more stovetop stuffing!

By Uncle on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 05:23 pm: Edit

How about cornbread stuffing with sage,onions ,celery, spicy sausage, pecans and a little kiss of maple. Yummm! Im doing some cooking tonight! Dose anyone else have any absinthe recipes? I remember a bread pudding!? Anyone else? your plates in the oven, Unkill

By Verdigris_Harpy on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 05:04 pm: Edit

Ooooh..

I remember it..but my E.Gorey books got sold during broke times.A travesty.I remember a bicycle by a railroad track.Remember The Willowdale Handcar?That one was actually scary.
What was the litte doll called? A little black
doll with no face?No,not me.

Heres a perversity.The Epileptic Bicycle.
Bicyclic 30/Bicycle 30.Not making fun of an illness or calling thujone a danger or a
rogue handcar with a litte black doll without
a face on it.

Do'nt kill the (bicycle) messenger.

Dada is dead.Long live Dada.


Yours,

V.

By Mr_Rabid on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 12:34 pm: Edit

It was too dark to hear anything...

By Baz on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 06:52 am: Edit

Harpy-
have you ever read the epipleptic bicycle? That is the strangest one of all to me!

By Verdigris_Harpy on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 04:27 am: Edit

Stuffing,dressing a bowl of lovely seasoned
mashed up bread and herbs by any other name
would taste as sweet.mmmmMMMM..With onions,
mushrooms,sausage(even italian with anise)
apples,whatever.Forget the turkey.And of
course,lovely naughty sage...

I'm with you.Stuffing n/or dressing with every meal..

By Nolan on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 04:09 am: Edit

here in the south where I live ,dressing is served all the time.As in every week.we likes thujone heyah!it makes the dressin what it is!!We think it is a boon to society.It goes quite well with prozac and other shat!!

By Verdigris_Harpy on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 03:07 am: Edit

I get it.Sorry,did'nt actually mean to say
it was true/untrue just something interesting
I ran across on the web.Do'nt really mean
to come across as quarrelous,just frustration
and my epidermis showing,but no quarrel with
you personally,either.

Despite possible appearances to the contrary,
I am quite a sceptic by nature,and never
had any preconcieved ideas about evil,nasty
thujone or spooky absinthe,even before coming
to this list/website.All my previous encounters
were literary/cinematic,and then the historical
info on this website.

As far as Stove Top Stuffing,that can be kind
of scary,if you do'nt add enough water and it
gets dry,and it's better with added fresh
vegggies and chopped apples.

By Don_Walsh on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 02:54 am: Edit

Look, Lisa, I don't have any quarrel with you.

However the "THC model" for absinthe is something I do have a quarrel with, because it is dead wrong, and because people keep throwing it onto the table (like on the foolish WNBC news program we are all angry about) as if it is true. It was postulated on at least one web page, and has been widely cited elsewhere -- but it is wrong.

That's all.

And I hoped to demonstrate by my examples that thujone isn't some "dangerous drug", it's simply a natural product, part of the essential oils of many common trees and shrubs and herbs and spices, and is all around is in many items and products.

No one needs to 'protect' us from thujone, unless they needed to protect us from chest rubs and muscle creams and cedar chests and stovetop stuffing and polish sausages. Or menthol, or camphor, or turpentine. Pine trees, dangerous stuff like that, y'know?

By Verdigris_Harpy on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 12:47 am: Edit

Hye Heiko

A doctor actually once told me
when I said I ca'nt do anything,all I can do
is get up and eat and brush my teeth and
go to day treatment everyday.I ca'nt
read or write or draw anymore.I jsut come
home and wathc tv.He said,yes but you're
stable.Thats whats important.You are stable,
and functioning and thats what counts.only.

I say,everything in moderation.Including
stability and functionality,and not even
talking about mental stuff,or absinthe
anymore here.Lets all function.Are we
not men,we are DEVO.

Glad to here you enjoy capsicum as well
as absinthium.


V.Harpy

By Heiko on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 12:35 am: Edit


Quote:

What is the point in adding another psychoactive drug (alcohol and the herbs, mild as they may be to most people) to your current chemical cocktail if you are stable right now?


Some fun, maybe? Why live if all you are is "being stable"? It's as the old saying goes, "no risk, no fun!"



Quote:

And,like or not,I will remain to irritate and inflame with my oderous commentary on whatever else.


That is the perfect attitude for this forum! We are glad to be irritated and inflamed by you any time :-)

By Verdigris_Harpy on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 12:11 am: Edit

Dear Rimbaud

My favorite E.Gorey tale is The Insect God.
Also The Misunderstood Guest.The Gashely
crumb Tineys should be kinderarten curriculum.
May I have permission to quote a lymric,
I believe from the Listing Attic?

regards,

V

By Verdigris_Harpy on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 12:04 am: Edit

Dear Meat Nipples

Re all concerns and questions you've
just asked.I'm honestly not saying this
out of disinterest,or to be dismissive or
rude,but it has already been addressed and
discussed.

At least a couple folks here on the forum
saw my p.o.v's,comprehended them,if not
agreed,and that is fine,and all I was
looking for,other than actual knowledge,which
I have received and appreciated,even if a
few here do'nt believe that.

I truly appreciate and understand your concern.
Not just a line.

Many of you will be gladdened to here
I have nothing more I can possibly say or
answer re my interest in absinthe.I am still
interested in what others continue to add
to future discussions.

And,like or not,I will remain to irritate and
inflame with my oderous commentary on whatever
else.


Take care,

Verdigris Harpy

By Verdigris_Harpy on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 11:48 pm: Edit

Hi Don

I said pure science,meaning the website
was'nt talking about thujone in terms
of being an addictive,evil drug,etc.and
was actually discussing the possible postive
uses of thujone,as far as developing
new medications and researh into that in
the future.If the site was by a student,
even he did'nt say it was exactly like
THC ,just similar,even if he made alot of
big mistakes.

I certianly have no cause to dispute with
you,and am happy and welome to receive
the info you put on the list,as I have been
since I first ever learned of absinthe,thujone,and this website,despite
any odd or off color or unappreciated humor
I have displayed on these subjects.

If I did'nt care to learn and know,I would
simply order up a bottle off the web,and
to heck with my health and the reputation
of absinthe and those who enjoy it,which has
been a major concern of mine from the start,
not just my own selfish curiosities.

Thanks again,sincerely,for the info you have
put here on the list.

By the way my legal first name is
Lisa .I am not giving my last name
right yet for reasons due to
producing artworks for sale in a
field that would not understand a connection
to a site such as this,right or wrong.

V

By Rimbaud on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 11:46 pm: Edit

By the way, has anyone ever seen any labels or advertising (posters, spoons, etc.) for Milky Way or Green Dot? I'd like to see that. I'm interested in finding out a bit more about absinthe in America during it's heyday...

~Rimbaud

By Don_Walsh on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 11:20 pm: Edit

My maternal grandmother, Nettie Graffagnino, in NOLA said (to my mother) she LOVED absinthe and was really sorry it was banned.

She was born in 1898 and died in 1989.

I assume she was drinking Herbsaint absinthe, or Green Dot or Milky Way, the absinthes made in Nawlins. It's been said on this forum that the US ban did not really have much effect until some years later -- after Prohibition ended. So, she was 20 in 1918 when Prohibition was voted in.

Grandma was not much of a drinker, her favorite cocktails when I was young (say, in the 60s) were brandy alexanders and grasshoppers -- definitely lady drinks.

But she never forgot absinthe!

I wish I could send her a bottle of Jade.

By Pikkle on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 11:07 pm: Edit

You go Don boy!

By Meat_Nipples on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 11:01 pm: Edit

Hello all, I have not posted here in some time due to the fact that I was away from the mind-numbing stare of my computer screen for over a month. Not that any one would remember anything about me except my bizarre username.
Anyway, I wanted to say to our friend Harpy that her interest in absinthe is already unhealthy. She is questioning whether or not she should chance jeopardizing her health for what is to most a novel experience but nothing life changing (I am making an assumption here). You don't need absinthe. I am sorry your circumstances make it different for you than it is for us. Your stakes are a lot higher. What is the point in adding another psychoactive drug (alcohol and the herbs, mild as they may be to most people) to your current chemical cocktail if you are stable right now? Stability should be your priority. How's absinthe going to help that?

By Don_Walsh on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 10:54 pm: Edit

The site was not pure science, the site was pure bullshit. The proposition (by a grad student) that THC and thujone were sufficiently similar in structure -- partially, as THC is a much larger molecule -- was the premise, and the conjecture was that therefore, the two might share a receptor site in the brain.

However, it has been conclusively demonstrated that this premise and conclusion were false, that THC and thujone do NOT share a common receptor site, and the receptor sites and mode of action of both are quite distinct and seperate.

Anyone (including ignorant newsies) citing the old inaccurate speculation are just looking stupid (well, BEING stupid.)

Thujone is a mild, transitory antagonist of the GABA system, which means that for a short time (less than half an hour) after intake, thujone modulates the enzyme that antagonized GABA and this produces a slight increase in brain electrical activity.

Period. End of story.

The amount of thujone in absinthe is small. The amount of alcohol in absinthe is great. Thujone is not toxic in small amounts, and there is no reason to believe that thujone accumulates in the body -- in fact it is rapidly metabolized by the liver.

Thujone is present in several widely used (in USA) culinary spices including sage -- does sage make you hallucinate? Should Tony Aiello do an expose on those dangerous herbs on our supermarket shelves? Legions of clandestinely addicted sagefreak housewives setting pock chops and sausages alight in rituals reminiscent of drug preparations?

See, I too, could be a wiz NBC news producer!

Thujone unlike THC is widely used in perfumery, cosmetics, over the counter preparations, etc. as a fixative and counter irritant.

Its close chemical cousins are NOT the cannabinols. Those are sesquiterpenes.

Its close chemical cousins are prosaic homely things like a-pinene (terpentine), menthol, and camphor.

In fact the homeliest things I can think of -- the smell of a cedar chest, such as my mother and grandmother used to store winter clothes in during the summertime -- does anyone still do this? -- is nothing but red cedar oil, about 80% thujone, and that's WHY cedar chests are made of cedar. It repels insects.

And the Vicks VapORub that my mom used to rub on my chest when I was a kid with a cold -- that's also chock full of thujone.

So, the whole 'thujone drug' thing is a FAKE. The FDA doesn't want to discuss why thujone is bad in absinthe or wormwood but not bad in sage etc. Why not? Because it shows them up for the inconsistent unscientific bastards they are.

The US banned absinthe because the Europeans did.

Now the Europeans have legalized it but the US will dig in its heels?

The UK, Spain, Portugal and lots of other places never banned it and never had a public health problem with it.

The Swiss did ban it, and it is still banned, but still made it as bootleg, and THEY never had a genuine public health problem with it and may legalize it soon.

Even the French are now allowing it, and they were the last holdout against the EU standards, just about.

Part of Canada allows absinthe (British Columbia).

And if you are wondering about my credibility, I'm an organic chemist by training, and pls have a peek at my little old webpage on the Oxford University Chemistry Dept.'s website:

http://www.chem.ox.ac.uk/mom/absinthe/absinthe.html

By Rimbaud on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 10:45 pm: Edit

Welcome, Ms. Harpy!

~21st Century Rimbaud

By Rimbaud on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 10:36 pm: Edit

I LOVE the Gashlycrumb Tinies!!! My favorite Gorey book.

~Rimbaud

By Verdigris_Harpy on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 07:00 pm: Edit

Little re the Thujone-A molecule.

Not my personal opinions,in any way cause
I am no scientist(ok no wisecrackin),,but
the sci guy on this site said certain
parts on the molecule fit into certian
chemical receptors of the brain,that certain
parts of the THC molecule fit into.This site
was pure science.Seemed interested in possible
medicines to be made from thujone.
Of course,similar and the same are too
totally different things(insert winking here).
But I do get the difference,and real science
does too.

BTW,and not making light or being
a nut here ,I just think it's a kind of a
fun ,Dada- esque word "trip".
One of the chemical names for
thujone-A is bicyclic 30,also referred on
that site as bicycle 30.

Do with that bit of info what you please.
I am only the messanger...


V

By Verdigris_Harpy on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 06:46 pm: Edit

Gd evening

According to a siteI went to that
looks like is being set up
as a model for a toxicology study on thujone,
it is illegal as a food additive in the U.S,
but nonetheless is a food ingredient in
some 25 foods.Sage no doubt one,and I
think of this site(le fe verte)oregano was
mentioned.Has any "abhinthe"been made
using sage/oregeno instead of wormwood?
Woudl be intersting and very different tasting,
no doubt.

I could safely abstain from my neuroleptic
alone for 2 days.Will have to read more re alch/anti depres.combo.

Thanks for confirming the "hoax" factor
regarding thujone "trips".

Looks like even science is still out
about hallucinations/paranoia from huge
binges/long term re absinthe.Personally,
not interested in *that*behavior anyway.

in appreciation,

V Harpy

By Heiko on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 01:37 pm: Edit

another unprofessional two cents:

if you're taking neuroleptics, I think you're not going to feel anything special. The little euphoria you might get from some absinthe will easily be levelled by neuroleptics (I don't know really, only a guess).

If pot made you freak out, you don't have to be afraid of absinthe. I have a few times had semi-psychotic experiences from pot and know from others that it can evoke a bad psychosis. That stuff can give you an information overflow and so much anxiety that you're going crazy - if you're sensitive in that respect (I am, I guess you are even more).
Absinthe does not at all have an effect similar to that, it cannot (well, at least for me, but that means something!) evoke anxiety.

But, of course, I don't know your medication and how it reacts with alcohol - but if you can drink other alcohol in small amounts, I'd risk a glass or two.

btw. a friend of mine who was on neuroleptics for a while and who would never again do any drugs that only sound similar to mushrooms or pot, has become quite a heavy absinthe drinker with no negative side effects. But on the other hand he doesn't take the neuroleptics anymore (only still keeps some in his pocket all the time)

By Baz on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 01:30 pm: Edit

Is thujone just regulated as a food additive, or is it illegal to use as a food additive? I mean, it is allowed in vermouth and other ingested products, why not in absinthe?

By Wolfgang on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 01:23 pm: Edit

"trip factor of combining these meds with
thujone. "

Did you'r doctor told you not to eat any sage ? Because sage is full of thujone. I never heard of anybody having a bad trip while eating sage did you ? ... Hoax #1

The comparaison to THC is based only on the "look" of the chemical model. The molecules looks similar but are different. Not the same thing at all. Forget about it. Hoax #2.

By Verdigris_Harpy on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 01:05 pm: Edit

Hi and thanks for your
kind and informative words...

(ote: this is long.
apologies.spelling errors.enter at risk
to your patience.No further advance apologies
or semi craven pre self whippings offered.)


I do'nt take Tegretol now.I took it for a
few years,for my bipolar disorder.It did'nt
help me that much.Maybe it was one of the things
that cut off my creativity at the pass.I still
had plenty of creative ideas,I just did'nt care
if any of them ever saw the light of day.
Apathy.many years spent staring at the tv and
liking it.The mummification analogy is very
apt.I am sorry you experinced this as well.

I do have many meds in my head,and creative
ideas apleanty without the aid and benefit
of better living through chemistry,naturally
distilled though the end beverage may be.

However,I really am not playing mind games
or wanting a liquor induced jerk off.It is
pure and simple I want to see,too.Is'nt
that what s being discussed here often,besides
the various tastes and scents of various brands?

Not getting defensive or anything,or wanting
to argue,etc.Just being straight out truthful.
I know full well absithe is'nt going to
make me high in the sense many people persue
highs,or feel tulips growing from my shins.
Im not looking for that.

Ijust wanna give it a try,
like most others in the mood for
absitnthe,least once.And if it wo'n make me
nuts or hurt me physically,why not one
glass every 2-3 months? Nota usual
drinking schedul or pattern,admittedly,but
I think a fairlywell reasoned,well though out
compromise.Since I know one ouhgt not
drink,really,on these meds.I wanted to know
the possible,but unlikely,severe unpleasant
"trip factor" of combining these meds with
thujone.

From what I've gathred from here,my own reading
on a few sci sites,my own knowledge
if i am going to drink a glass of alcohol
I should ease of my meds for a couple days,
and am aware that is against med advse,but
over 15 yrs with ths prob.and these meds
I know om experience Iwont lose it from doing this,no more than every 2-3 monts,or perhaps
even once only.(going off the meds for
tow days.)

Then,it seems,from this listand other reading
thujone is similar to THC in it's mollecular
stucture,in some ways.However,the xperience
I had involved injesting fairly fresh
pot,in two large choc chip cookies.It was also
my first and only drug experience.Iwas
aslo not on any psch meds yet.It
was also an extremely bad time in my life.
I later learned,through my abnormal psych
class textbook,that pot,injested in high doses,
will override the normal"mellow" qualities
it usually has on the brain,and can act like a
"hard" drug,similar to LSD.Whih is just the
experince I had.I woud never suggest to any one
to eat marijuana,especilally like I did,when
teh first dose had'nt hit me within 20 minutes,
so I took anotehr,and then it hit,like a lihgt
swith going fro off to on.Ialso had a panic
attackrom the fear of what was occuring.Unexpectd
from pot.

Combne the effects of a panc attack,a
terrifying experience in itself with
the halluciantions and delusions of pure,nearly
undiluted THC,andit is going to be
a private Clve barker/David Lynch fright
show for any one.

I tend to doubt one glass of abstinthe
woudl do that,even to me,ven with thealcohol
and meds,which would probably just make me very
sleepy or vomit,at worse..the chance
of a seisure I think is remote,andbout the worse
case senario nw,from looking,listening,
and learning.

By the way,I have'nt properly used,or
abused,Clonopin,which I always want to spell
with a K for soem reason,for over six years.
And do'nt anyone else go abusing iteither.
It is(can be)addictive and will get your soul
more than any green fairy ever(or at least
as much as).I was'n trying to romantise,just accurately describe personal experience.

And I very muchappreciate all input and (non)
advising,even from peopelw who called
me a psycho troll

to quote from the film A Beautiful Mind

" Have you come to find out if I'm crazy?
Well,I am. Are you worried I migh embarrass
you? I might."

paraphrased maybe,and I know I am no John Nash
I admit I look kinda like a troll,but the
pounds are coming off by the week(naturally,
no dexadrine or Nature's Dexi,etc),and one day
I may let you see my picture.But I ai'nt
*that* kinda troll...promise,with
sugar on top.....

claw extended in comraderie,

verdigris harpy

By _Blackjack on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 11:46 am: Edit

I would be far more worried about the alcohol. Seriously. There is nothing to be found in absinthe that is remotely as profound in its effects on mood and brain chemisry as good old ethanol. It's not just a matter of whether one of your meds might specifically react badly to alcohol; it's that your neurochemistry is obviously in so delicate a ballance that you don't need to be throwing anything else that powerful at it.

By Morriganlefey on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 10:49 am: Edit

Verdy Harp -

I am familiar with Tegretol (clobamezapine), as I took it for a year for my epilepsy (which is now thankfully vanished). For me, that drug was both my saviour and the devil incarnate. It quelled my seizure activity, but mummified me emotionally, creatively and intellectually. It was without doubt the worst period of my life.

Perhaps you are experiencing similar dulling effects, and are searching for a connection through absinthe? I warn strongly against it. Not only because doctors strictly caution alcohol consumption while on Tegretol, but also because you mention a single experience with pot triggered a "6-hour long freakshow" and lasting genetic problems. Although debatable, some acknowledge a similarity between the compounds in thujone and THC (in pot). True or not - why go there? I think you've got enough meds in your cabinet and brains in your head to see that tempting fate by imbibing absinthe would be foolhardy to the extreme!

My advice to you: PLEASE seek your exploratory & creative outlet(s) through other means. Marc Campbell is right-on in his assessment.

- M

By Baz on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 08:41 am: Edit

A is for Anatomist, who fell down the stairs...

By Verdigris_Harpy on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 07:05 am: Edit

Good morning everyone

Just to wind this up,I'll check out my meds
again as far as alcohol.I completely understand
noone here wants any news stories about
bezerk artists on absinthe.Part of my concern
in the first place.I do take alot of meds,and
the alternative has been very nearly as bad
as Wolfgang says.

Thanks,Perruche Verte.I'll take everything you said under advisement,and thanks for seeing
through the fog to my sincerity.

Thanks,K.Glad I did'nt annoy you,and
sometimes minimal interest is a nice tonic.

Verdigris
Harpy

By Baz on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 07:01 am: Edit

B is for baz, assaulted by Bears...

By Anatomist on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 06:38 am: Edit

Gawd, that's a lot of drugs. I don't know anything about your situation or behavior, but I wouldn't take all those pills unless the alternative was absolutely horrible... like catatonia or a persistent homicidal rage. Kind of reminds me of the 'Depressercise' bit from MadTV.

As far as being 'allowed to remain', it doesn't really work that way, unless you are genuine troll with malicious intent. If you annoy people enough, you may be browbeaten so severely that you lose all desire to stay. You aren't annoying me. I skimmed most of what you read with minimal interest.

K.

By Perruche_Verte on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 06:24 am: Edit

Welcome, Harpy.

You seem sincere, but please bear in mind that no one here is going to go out on a limb and advise you to take something that could hurt you if taken in combination with your meds.

We don't want to see anything like this...

ARTIST ON ABSINTHE GOES BERSERK
Combination of drugs, alcohol blamed
by Tony Aiello

Get the picture?

By Wolfgang on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 06:16 am: Edit

Disclaimer : I have no medical formation and the following text is just my own little opinion.

You`r major concern should be about the alcohol. The effects are usually mild or non-existant in the commercially available absinthes. Some LaBleue or homemades can space you out after a glass or two but also taste way better. If you`r only to taste a very limited quantity of absinthe just to give it a try, go for the best. Don`t waste this experience with some black jelly bean crap.

If you ever decide to try it, make sure you do it in a confortable, calm and safe environnement. Personally that`s the way I like to drink absinthe, listening to some ambiant music and letting my psyche drift while looking at the shape of the smoke coming out of a narguille.

Unfortunately, it seems your brain is already soaked in chemicals so I think you really should ask for professional advice before drinking any alcoholic drinks...

By Verdigris_Harpy on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 05:57 am: Edit

I apologize.

If I said too much about my illnesses,
Too soon,or if I shoud'nt have said anything
about it at all apologize sincerely>I am
not saying this in a sarcastic way.I am apologizing
sincerely,

I honesly do want information.I respect everything
everyone is asaying to me about it
being dangerous to combine medication and
alcholol and some herbs.I respect yor advice
and insight.I wanted it,in all honesty,
an that is why I posted,openly and honestly
about my ssymptoms,the lenght of my illnesses
the diferent meds I take everything

I specifically asked if it is
wormood and anise that are the herbs
that are dangerous to combine wiht
some psyhciatric meds.

If I am coming off as a psycho troll I
sincerely apologize this is very
diifucult stuff to reveal adn so I am
tryuing to do it with some sence
humor ,about my self,at myself,laughing at
'
myslf,cuase I dont want to come off as
trying to get pity or want ing people
to feel sorry for mwe,.

but it looks like it all back fired
and I came of as a creepuy insicere
dilletante troll

I hav e been reading about ablsinthe and
thujonw not just on this site
but websites on reserch lab sites,etc trying
to educate myself,not to be a dilettante,
not to be an idiot,not just to play mind
games iknow i know very little still and
am not afraid to admit it and ask more and learn

everyhting I ahve siad here and asked here is
in sincerity

My sense of humor is wierd dark and odd

I am not

I apologize for teh lOusy spelling '
when I am very upset It id difficult for me
I misspell
I I direspeced itwas not intentional I
do respect and I am not kissing ass

if I am allownd to remain'
You will see I am sincere
adn interested to
learn and to listen


Take care

Verdigris
HArpy

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By Verdigris_Harpy on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 05:34 am: Edit

Thanks Marc

What you say makes perfect sense.I do
love books,movies,everything,and lord
knows I do'nt need drugs to see or feel
more cleary.And let's face it,alcohol is
literally a drug,just a liquid drug,and thujone
is just a liquid drug within another liquid
drug. A lovely,liquid green gordian knot,even if
the devil himself did'nt spin it in his workshop.


But like anyone else,I want to play too,
whether the game is good for my health or
not.My feeling is,a single glass,every two-three
months,is not likely to kill me,give me brain
damage,probably wo'nt cause a seisure,and if
I do'nt like it the first time I can just
have the fun of looking at all the pretty
colors in my friend's glasses,after that.

If any of these things might actually happen
to me ,even with only one glass,even if
I lay off the meds for a couple days every couple
months,which wo'nt make me go wonky or kill me,
then I'll just stop here and now.I think
one glass would be plenty in my case for
desirable possible "after effects",being more
sensitive to chemical influence.

I would at least like the one oppurtunity
to see what the heck ,for myself,beyond
the F/X in the glass ,which is a major
appeal to me as a visual artist,as well
as all the ritual falderal with pointy evil
leafy looking spoons,funny ice cream pharmacy
meds glasses,sugar trays,and all the rest,
which appeals to my sense of absurdist romantic
whimsy.

It occurs to me abinthe was on the menu
at The Mad Tea Party .And I hear tell the
mathemetics teacher himself,in between
writing fractured fairy tales,had a spot himself.


Cheerio,

V Harpy

By Marccampbell on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 05:20 am: Edit

verdigris,

you want to play mind games. fine. jerk yourself off. if you're genuinely interested in honest feedback, then be real. otherwise, you're coming off like a psycho troll. you want advice or insight regarding absinthe, you're in the right place. if you want to play games, you'll be expunged from this site before the clonapin kicks in.

By Petermarc on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 05:11 am: Edit

marc, well said, good advice...

By Verdigris_Harpy on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 05:06 am: Edit

Oops...I am mixing up my
psycho-tropic anti-convulsants.

How gauche.

Clonazipam is the generic name for Klonopin,
not Tegretol.Tim Roth gives an accurate
portrayal,in the film"Deceiver" of
some one a little overly "controlled" by
by Klonopin.

Besides being used as an anti convulsant,
it is used as a tranquilizer,a quick
acting anti mania med,and can interestingly
have anti depressant effects as well.

And,if taken at a bit over prescribed dose
can make you simultaneously higher than
a kite and mellower than a shallow turqoise
sea.The only prescription drug I ever abused,and
the not for recreation but for releif.The
only illicit drug? Pot.Baked in pop n fresh
choc chip cookie dough;which set me into
a freakshow 6hr long "Carnival of Souls "
Psychotic episoce,triggering my genetic mh
probs off. Never again.No other illicit drugs
since.Never been drunk. I hate the taste of liqour..

Except pina coladas,grasshoppers,Van der Mint
in milk or hot choc,Frangelico in milk or hot choc,Baileys in milk or hot choc..Frangelico
is the only alcoholic beverage I can
say I think is worth drinking,and have'nt
tasted anything non- alcoholic to replace.

Too bad absinthe ca'nt taste like Frangelico,
and come without the alcohol....would'nt
be absinthe,maybe "Sterile Woodland Monk.."
But it would be easier on me to drink....


En Sane

V Harpy

By Marccampbell on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 05:00 am: Edit

verdigris,

through all the complexity of maintaining clairity
in your life the last thing you need to do is add another chemical to the mix that keeps your life in balance. read books, go to the movies, write poetry. don't take any more psychotropics. love absinthe from afar.

By Verdigris_Harpy on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 04:35 am: Edit

Thanks for your concern.

I am concerned too,and will be very careful,if
I actually ever do more than look at and perhaps
sip absinthe.I have thought about asking my doc
about it,but worry he might freak a bit at
the idea I am plotting to try absinthe.I have
been in the wacky ward before,both voluntarily
and involuntarily,and do'nt want him to see this
as a sign of impending hypomania,delusion,etc.
and think I need another "stay."I have
had more than my fair share of spa-time in
Hotel California's,Motel 666's,and various
tints,tones,and shades in between.

And,if he thinks or knows I try it and I
do up and have another hypomanic episode and/or
severe depressive episode,I do'nt want my
delusions and/or normal artistic insanity
blamed on one glass of absinthe.

Not good for me,not good for no-body.

So,I would not presume to ask for medical advice
here,but I do know which pills never
to take with alchohol.I do'nt take Klonopin,
Ativan,or Valium.I do'nt take Clonazepam
(a player in the film,that I dearly love,Deceiver)
brand name Tegretol,or Lithium.

For the bipolar,I take Topomax,a relatively new
anti-convulsant.I also take the Mondo Kane
med for Schizoprenia,and now used last ditch
for bipolar,as well Clozaril,a neuroleptic(
anti-psychotic)For the OCD(mine has a decidedly
Billy Bob Thornton slant)I take Paxil.There
is Wellbutrin thrown in as a precipitant,kinda
sorta,for the others(antidepressant.)

So,I know my brain is already simmering with
pharmacopeia.It all works,though.In the last year
I am emotionally sane much of the time,and
as mentally sane as can be expected and as
I care to be.This after about 15 yrs of
what one psych doc managed to accurately
describe as "Lovecraftian" mental illnes-trip
i-tude.

Add a glass of absinthe on top? Not without
very careful forethought,scheming,and a little
cheating,temporarily.My thought is
lay off the meds for two days,which
I can manage to do without losing my mind.

Then,in the company of caring friends who
are as loopy as me but still sane,have something
on the fee website that is on the lower end
of the alchohol spectrum.I have been reading up,
and have something in mind,which I will
consult with about first,later on.

Now,would someone mind telling me which herbs,
in abinthe,one should not mix with
psycho-tropes? Is it wormwood itself? In the
amount that would be in a normal dose of
absinthe(one glass?) Anise?

I understand the list,site and anyone on it
are not responsible for my behavior,effects
of any funny combos of herbs,alcohol,meds,etc.
I will not go out and do or not do,based on
what is said here.I would like to know,though,
about wormwood/meds, anise/meds.I know
some people taking some meds are not
supposed to eat licorice.

Seeing stars,

V Harpy

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By Marccampbell on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 03:21 am: Edit

certain herbs and chemical anti-depressants don't mix. be very careful.

By Don_Walsh on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 03:13 am: Edit

You had best talk to your medical professional who prescribed what you are taking.

By Verdigris_Harpy on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 12:17 am: Edit

Danke .

V Harpy

By Pikkle on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 11:58 pm: Edit

Wilkommen!

By Verdigris_Harpy on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 11:45 pm: Edit

Hello,

I am a new girl.At least to your list.I have not yet tried absinthe,but have
been aware of it
since I was 15 or so(I am now an old harpy of 39).My first encounter with
the word absinthe
was in an Edward Gorey story or poem.Edward Gorey is one of my literary
heroes,and one of
my favorite "bad" artist's-not my personal opinion,but his own. One of my
next was,like many
others ,in F.F C's Dracula.Lovely film/movie.I love/am in love with Gary
Oldman,and many of
his characters,and his abilities as an actor.Next major visual encounter,in
From Hell.Another
love-rly film/movie(one word is just as good/well as the other,on my op.)My
next,in Moulin
Rouge-drool-ic-ously lovely.

The main possible drawback I see for personally trying le fee verte is
mixing it with my
psychotropic meds.I am more concerned with the alcohol than the majick
thujone,as the
neuroleptic and the mood stabilizer should keep that under the lid,for the
most part,but
I do'nt want to puke my guts out or have a minor or gran(d?) mal
seisure(from
the alchohol/med combo)
and ruin the fun for myself,or my co-conspiritors(as we live in the US,land
of the free and the free
to repress and be repressed....).The mood stabilizer is also a
anti-convulsant,so
that could be a conveniant,if unintended-by-the-manufacturers,side
benefit...

However,if the nice Good Humor men in the clean white coats must come for
me,
I can always tell them my friends dared me to drink a "flurry" made from
licorice
Jelly Belly's, green Jell-O,and anise-flavored vodka- a cocktail that would
make anybody
lose it,in every sense.........


Verdigris Harpy

PS sorry about the way this is set up. I tried to fix it .Will try to
fix again before posting next time.

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