Fake Spoon Alert

Sepulchritude Forum: The Absinthe Forum Archive Thru March 2002: Archive thru March 2002:Fake Spoon Alert
By Larsbogart on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 06:05 am: Edit

Kalisti:
Thanks Kalisti. I tried everything and it still wont work. Cant figure out what im doing wrong. Hope your situation is better.
larsbogart

By Admin on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 04:47 pm: Edit

lars, send me your pic and I'd be happy to post it ...

By Petermarc on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 09:44 am: Edit

mmmmm....scandally....

By Larsbogart on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 09:31 am: Edit

I have a picture of a big fat pile of fakes. It would scandalize this forum. I wish I could figure out how to post it.
larsbogart

By Tavarua on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 09:25 am: Edit

or, what Peter said.

By Tavarua on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 09:22 am: Edit

The edges are smoothed out, rounded, as if it was made from a mold. The originals were stamped out, the edges are more defined. Got me on the wear, but is is probably a natural result of the the mold process.

By Petermarc on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 09:15 am: Edit

it is extremely difficult to tell the difference in a photo, and even when it is in hand, if you haven't seen a real one, how would you know?
a couple hints when looking at on-line photos and auctions, that the seller may be knowingly selling a fake:
1) he does not state 'authentic' '19th century'
'genuine, belle epoche', etc...by doing this, he is selling exactly what he is selling, an absinthe spoon, made whenever, 'real', as in period-authentic, or not, you get an absinthe spoon...can't argue with that...
2) the charming use of (fake?) which totally removes any blame from him, because, well, he's not sure, but maybe it's real!
3) hidden feedback, so you can't read what others have said about him
(thanks justin for the last two points)
4) too much tarnish on an otherwise shiny object
5) sterling silver, or solid silver...very rarely used when making absinthe spoons, or other absinthe paraphernalia, even the 'grande marques' normally used heavy silver plating or 'metal blanc' which was a combination of nickel and copper created to mimic silver...( toulouse-lautrec's spoon was plated)
6) bunches of rare spoons being sold at the same time, by the same person...really rare spoons can easily be sold off e-bay
7) *all* very rare spoons are suspect
8) 'buy it now' for a unusually low price...very rare spoons (even not so rare ones) will not be sold right away for 50-70$ the fact that the seller could sacrifice a rare spoon at a ridiculous price, means the spoon is a fake, or the seller is pretty sure and just wants to get rid of it...also, it is a way for the un-wise new collector to think he has jumped on something before the price goes crazy...

so, you have to trust your seller, or buy from a dealer with a site, have a return policy, know your stuff from handling it or research in M-C D's book, or not pay enough to care...

By Pantagruel on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 06:17 am: Edit

Having followed your link, some of those photos (of items he is selling) are pretty convincing. How might one (with an untrained eye for absinthe spoons) be able to distinguish between fakes and real spoons? I mean, that w/out having them in hand to analize, the patina and wear looks pretty authentic based on the photos.

cheers,

Pantagruel

By Petermarc on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 05:24 am: Edit

i believe i either met him (again) or an 'associate' at a paris street market... along with nothing else absinthe-related, he had this...said he wasn't a 'specialist' when i told him i had never seen one before, but a year ago, he told me he was a collector...wasn't interested in giving me his name or address when i told him i had friends who were interested in buying things like that, but i am pretty sure he lives in the same region as our 'friend'...i have been warned that there are now two more fakers making their way into the french market...
joanne

By Chrysippvs on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 08:43 pm: Edit

Absinthemania is at it again....

http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=absinthemania&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25


I have already alerted the winner of the fake Les Grillages. I left him some feedback that made it clear that he dealt in fakes, hence his hidden feedback.
He has placed "fake?" on the site...I think that hardly makes up for it...

Just a warning,

- J

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