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Posted by: Oxygenee Nov 6 2006, 08:41 AM

At crippling personal expense, I've just ordered a bottle of Absinthe King of Spirits Gold.

On arrival of the bottle here, I propose to make up ten sample bottles. These will be sent absolutely free of charge, by airmail, to a panel of 10 Fee Verte members for tasting and evaluation.

To join the panel, to become one of this select and exclusive group (hereafter referred to as "The Chosen™"), you must fulfill all 5 of these conditions:

1. PM me with your full name, email and postal address.
2. Have submitted at least 5 reviews to the Buyers Guide, by the closing date for applications.
3. Agree in writing that on receipt of your sample you will retain it untouched until 8.00pm GMT on Sunday, December 10th 2006.
4. At exactly 8.00pm GMT on that day you will taste and evaluate your sample.
5. Within ONE HOUR of tasting - ie, before 9.00pm GMT, you will submit a fully completed Buyers Guide scoresheet to Hartsmar, with your evaluation of the product.

The closing date for applications is November 20th, 2006

Notes:
1. In the event of more than 10 qualified applications being received, priority will be give to those who've submitted the most reviews to the Buyers Guide.
2. Anyone who receives a sample, and then doesn't comply with items 4 and 5 above, will be publicly named and shamed here on the forum.

Lines are now open. Do you have what it takes to become one of The Chosen™?

Posted by: The Standard Deviant Nov 6 2006, 01:13 PM

It makes me glad I haven't reviewed anything yet, otherwise I'd probably be tempted.

Posted by: Oxygenee Nov 6 2006, 01:20 PM

Don't be despondent. You've got till Nov 20th to get your five qualifying reviews in.

It's 100mg of thujone remember. You're guaranteed to TripBalz™.

Posted by: Absomphe Nov 6 2006, 01:34 PM

I'm old.

I do that without the benefit of thujone, thank you very much.

Posted by: MrsAbsomphe Nov 6 2006, 02:07 PM

blink.gif Snicker.

Don't I know it.


---Tish looking-up.gif

Posted by: Oxygenee Nov 6 2006, 02:10 PM

You two are very sweet.

Posted by: peridot Nov 6 2006, 02:17 PM

I'll do it. As I've mentioned at WS, I've never had any Czechsinth but I badmouth it so much that I really should have an actual experience on which to base my prejudices instead of just hearsay.

Is that masochistic?

Anyway, I'll easily have enough reviews done by then.

Posted by: Oxygenee Nov 6 2006, 02:47 PM

QUOTE(peridot @ Nov 6 2006, 06:17 PM) *

I've never had any Czechsinth but I badmouth it so much that I really should have an actual experience on which to base my prejudices instead of just hearsay.


In all seriousness, that's my motivation for spending, shipping inclusive, $230 on the bottle.

There are some here who've tasted the regular KOS, but I don't know anyone who's actually tasted the Gold version, and if we're going to talk about it, we should be speaking from first hand experience.

Posted by: Jaded Prol Nov 6 2006, 03:14 PM

I salute you and any volunteers for bravery and efforts above and beyond the call of duty.

Posted by: Donnie Darko Nov 6 2006, 03:25 PM

QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Nov 6 2006, 04:41 AM) *

At crippling personal expense, I've just ordered a bottle of Absinthe King of Spirits Gold.

On arrival of the bottle here, I propose to make up ten sample bottles. These will be sent absolutely free of charge, by airmail, to a panel of 10 Fee Verte members for tasting and evaluation.

1. In the event of more than 10 qualified applications being received, priority will be give to those who've submitted the most reviews to the Buyers Guide.
2. Anyone who receives a sample, and then doesn't comply with items 4 and 5 above, will be publicly named and shamed here on the forum.

Lines are now open. Do you have what it takes to become one of The Chosen™?


Yikes. You might as well be soliciting people to become suicide bombers.

I'll do it.


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Posted by: Oxygenee Nov 6 2006, 03:50 PM

That's the ol' Fee Verte spirit I like to see Donnie.

Posted by: peridot Nov 6 2006, 03:56 PM

I think I've gotten to the bottom of this. In wanting everyone to try it at the same time, are you actually trying to get a small number of people to collectively make an "UGH!" sound that's audible around the world? A truly amazing feat for record books?

The resulting report would make a great KOSGold marketing blurb.

Posted by: Jaded Prol Nov 6 2006, 03:57 PM

$230.00 a bottle! Did you get it from a certain dwarf in the desert?


Posted by: Absomphe Nov 6 2006, 04:03 PM

No way.

That's the real price.

She'd charge at least five beans, on a generous day.

I'll do it, as well, Oxy, but only because my "chosen", stereotypically cheap Jewish half can't resist getting a sample of $230 anything for free!

Posted by: Oxygenee Nov 6 2006, 04:08 PM

Get those reviews rolling in!

Posted by: Oxygenee Nov 6 2006, 04:10 PM

QUOTE(Jaded Prol @ Nov 6 2006, 07:57 PM) *

$230.00 a bottle! Did you get it from a certain dwarf in the desert?


Nope, http://www.originalabsinthe.com/absinthe-king-gold-p-56.html.

It doesn't seem to be available for less from anywhere else.

Posted by: crosby Nov 6 2006, 05:08 PM

QUOTE(The Standard Deviant @ Nov 6 2006, 06:13 AM) *

It makes me glad I haven't reviewed anything yet, otherwise I'd probably be tempted.

Word.

Posted by: crosby Nov 6 2006, 05:12 PM

Eight reviews. blink.gif


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Posted by: traineraz Nov 6 2006, 05:15 PM

I don't think I've done enough reviews. If I had, I'd be more than happy to join in the joy.

Darnit. Oh well, my loss. I'll go cry in my beer now.



Ya know, Oxy, if the goal is to get people to submit more reviews, it might be a good idea to provide something they'd WANT to review . . .

Posted by: Lord Stanley Nov 6 2006, 05:50 PM

It reminds me of the Married With Children episode where Peg referred to herself as a trophy wife and Al wondered what kind of contest from hell he had won.

Posted by: pierreverte Nov 6 2006, 06:03 PM

>It doesn't seem to be available for less from anywhere else.

it's that damn absinthe mafia, i tell you!

Posted by: Oxygenee Nov 6 2006, 06:06 PM

Yeah, it's a lot more fun when you're doing it, than when you're having it done to you, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: peridot Nov 6 2006, 06:26 PM

I look at it kind of like earning your Red Wings. Almost nobody's going to envy you but it tends to command some respect due to having survived it.

The question is, which is worse? blink.gif

Posted by: AndrewT Nov 6 2006, 06:28 PM

I like the idea of having a kind of mailing list for reviewers. It'd be nice to do this regularly. Maybe we can all take turns buying bottles to send out.

Posted by: Alyssa Dyane Nov 6 2006, 09:49 PM

I think I have an adventurous enough spirit to take on this challenge. Now I just need to write 4 more reviews...I only have 4 kinds at home, and already reviewed one. Oh well, another excuse to buy more absinthe....

Posted by: Lord Stanley Nov 6 2006, 11:09 PM

Oxy, make sure that you get a few chunks of those macerating herbs into each sample. I'm sure that KOS Gold just wouldn't be the same without them. And you don't want to rob The Chosen™ of that extra thujone kick.

Posted by: Ari Nov 6 2006, 11:15 PM

Besides what would a KoSG review be without a smoking the undried floaty bits trip report?

Posted by: Lord Stanley Nov 6 2006, 11:20 PM

Speaking of smoking, are the reviewers supposed to add a burning sugar cube? It may not be in the review guidelines but I'm assuming that the KOS bottle describes the Czech method as the proper way to serve their concoction. The colour before and after burning could be evaluated.

It certainly makes more sense than sitting there waiting for its Louche Action to kick in.

Posted by: traineraz Nov 6 2006, 11:22 PM

Were Don still around, he might suggest you test it for Douche Action.

Since there will be 10 reviewers, perhaps 5 could flame and 5 could drip.

Unfortunately, I only have two reviews in the guide, so I can't be a KOSG reviewer. DAMN.

DAMN DAMN DAMN!!!

Posted by: Artemis Nov 6 2006, 11:24 PM

And when you asked me to confirm a mailing address a few days ago, I assumed you had unearthed a sealed, full bottle of Absinthe Anti-Juive .........

Posted by: Gertz Nov 7 2006, 12:48 PM

(Take a deep breath and step forward)

I volunteer.

After all, I had the regular KOS and survived to tell the tale.

I even have a small sample of it left, so I can make a side-by-side comparison to see if the gold version actually has more ballz-tripping power.

Posted by: traineraz Nov 7 2006, 09:39 PM

Uh oh.

I now have three absinthes in the house, and have not reviewed any of them. That'd bring my total to five.

Cutoff is November 20, right? Hmm, I think I can wait two weeks . . .

Posted by: zachM Nov 13 2006, 06:15 PM

I am certain I wrote at least five reviews but I would rather drink old beer than sample any more nasty absinth. THe last three absinth reviews I did broke me. Fee Verte's Elixier, Absinth Red(not sure who makes that swill but the bottle said Red Absinth), and Absinth 35. I can still taste the Absinth 35 when I think about it. Actually all of them are fairly distinct in my mind.

Posted by: hartsmar Nov 13 2006, 06:27 PM

The would be Staroplzenecky Red...

Posted by: traineraz Nov 13 2006, 06:28 PM

I thought about posting a review for the Brut d'Alembic last night, but then I'd be closer to five reviews.

Posted by: peridot Nov 13 2006, 06:43 PM

I've done ten now. That's all I've got.

Posted by: zachM Nov 13 2006, 08:42 PM

QUOTE(hartsmar @ Nov 13 2006, 11:27 AM) *

The would be Staroplzenecky Red...


Thanks! I wouldn't want to forget that name.

Posted by: traineraz Nov 14 2006, 03:29 AM

Peridot, I believe that qualifies you for TWO samples of KOSG.

Posted by: peridot Nov 14 2006, 04:25 AM

One to taste and review and one to use as fuel injector cleaner?

My most recent three reviews haven't been added to the guide yet. Hartsmar might be trying to protect me. tongue.gif

Posted by: hartsmar Nov 14 2006, 01:21 PM

Nah, I've just been socializing with the outside world for a bit. My family hardly recognized me!
Either way, I'll add them (and a few new of my own) tonight.

Posted by: Steyr850 Nov 14 2006, 02:53 PM

Deleterious effects!

Posted by: traineraz Nov 14 2006, 05:35 PM

QUOTE(peridot @ Nov 13 2006, 09:25 PM) *

One to taste and review and one to use as fuel injector cleaner?

Nope. One to taste and review.

And another to taste and review a week later. I hear it grows on you!

Posted by: hartsmar Nov 14 2006, 06:08 PM

QUOTE(peridot @ Nov 13 2006, 09:25 PM) *

My most recent three reviews haven't been added to the guide yet.


Peridot,

I added the Franco Suisse (Clandestine Marianne) just now, but what are the other two?
I can't seem to find them...

Posted by: peridot Nov 15 2006, 03:40 AM

Blanche de Fougerolles and Francois Guy. They're in the individual threads.

Posted by: sea_of_lament Nov 15 2006, 04:12 AM

I might be interested.

Now, to do this review, would one just have to taste the KOS(g) or drink it all?

I don't remember if I have 5 reviews written though.

Posted by: Absomphe Nov 16 2006, 11:33 PM

QUOTE(Steyr850 @ Nov 14 2006, 07:53 AM) *

Deleterious effects!


That name was in the running, but I chose Absomphe in the end...

Don't even think about it.

Posted by: Alyssa Dyane Nov 16 2006, 11:46 PM

Dang! Here it is the 16th all ready, and I only have in 2 reviews! I need to get to stepping if I want to make the 10th deadline. Unfortunately, I only have two more brands at home, leaving me short 1 to review. I might have to bite the bullet and get an ouncer of some nasty absente at the liquor store, and take one for the team.

Posted by: traineraz Nov 17 2006, 12:52 AM

QUOTE(Absomphe @ Nov 16 2006, 02:33 PM) *

That name was in the running, but I chose Absomphe in the end...

Don't even think about it.

sleepy.gif

Posted by: Donnie Darko Nov 17 2006, 02:05 AM

QUOTE(peridot @ Nov 14 2006, 12:25 AM) *

One to taste and review and one to use as fuel injector cleaner?


One to review and one to send to your worst enemy.

Posted by: peridot Nov 17 2006, 05:38 AM

Me: "You will give me the information I desire..."

My worst enemy: "NEVER! Do your worst!"

Me: "As you wish... Behold! The King of Spirits Gold!"

My worst enemy: "Agh! NO! I'll tell you anything!"

Me: "Heh, heh... too late... enjoy your convulsions..."

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Nov 25 2006, 09:42 PM

And the one, THE ONE who has held the chop.gif flag high for years is left out. HA!

It's a conspiracy, I tell you...

Posted by: whizz Nov 25 2006, 10:00 PM

QUOTE(Alyssa Dyane @ Nov 17 2006, 01:46 AM) *

Dang! Here it is the 16th all ready, and I only have in 2 reviews! I need to get to stepping if I want to make the 10th deadline.


hehe... I have enough brands to make it but I will avoid doing any more reviews until after the 10th of december. Would never risk to be tempted to review the KoSG. When I have read the GoS reviews I will start reviewing again abs-cheers.gif .

GoS = Gang of Suicidals

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 1 2006, 07:43 AM

Amidst scenes of feverish excitement (even the cat came to look) here at Oxy Global Headquarters, the KOSG arrived...


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Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 1 2006, 07:50 AM

...and samples have been despatched to The Chosen™

AndrewT
Deluge
Peridot
Donnie Darko
Absomphe
Absinthesiser
Jusabob
Hartsmar


Posted by: hartsmar Dec 1 2006, 07:53 AM

You included some cat hair in the package there, right? wink.gif

Posted by: justabob Dec 1 2006, 08:05 AM

I quiver with anticipation

Posted by: mthuilli Dec 1 2006, 08:16 AM

QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Dec 1 2006, 09:50 AM) *

AndrewT
Deluge
Peridot
Donnie Darko
Absomphe
Absinthesiser
Jusabob
Hartsmar

Poor guinea pigs, I feel so sorry for you guys.

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 1 2006, 08:47 AM

Don't feel sorry for them. They're heroes, doing it for the rest of us.


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Posted by: KillDarr Dec 1 2006, 08:59 AM

Wow that cat looks pissed off.

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 1 2006, 09:34 AM

Yeah, if there's one thing he hates, it's wormwood in the coloring step.

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 1 2006, 10:30 AM

Aha! Suddenly everything makes sense!




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Posted by: The Standard Deviant Dec 1 2006, 11:00 AM

Will you be recreating the Absinthe Bourgeois poster with your Siamese cat and a flaming King of Spirits Gold shot?

Posted by: Absinthesizer Dec 1 2006, 05:18 PM

That last KOSG picture reminds me of snow-globes. Maybe it's intended for use as a paperweight...?

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 1 2006, 06:39 PM

That's actually a pretty nice color. Too bad about how it got that way, though.

Posted by: Steyr850 Dec 1 2006, 07:01 PM

I thought the exact thing.

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 1 2006, 07:17 PM

I salute the bravery of the volunteers.


Posted by: Provenance Dec 1 2006, 07:46 PM

QUOTE(justabob @ Dec 1 2006, 01:05 AM) *

I quiver with anticipation

You're not suspposed to quiver until after you drink it.

Posted by: traineraz Dec 1 2006, 07:56 PM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Nov 25 2006, 12:42 PM) *

And the one, THE ONE who has held the thujone flag high for years is left out. HA!

It's a conspiracy, I tell you...

How exactly were you left out?

Anyone who'd written five reviews prior to November 20 and asked to participate was welcome to. In fact, Oxy gave a few weeks for people to submit those five reviews.

I had to hold off on writing reviews, lest I be accidentally selected.

Peridot submitted extra reviews just to be sure he could get a sample!

Posted by: peridot Dec 1 2006, 08:02 PM

I joined here mostly for the purpose of writing reviews. That would have happened anyway. I'm a nerd like that. harhar.gif

It just so happens that the day after I got validated the KOSG thing was announced.

That said, I actually am looking forward to finding out how fucking awful this shit is. Nothing like first hand experience when warning people away from something. I mean, we don't drink drain cleaner to tell people we know it's bad, but then again it's not being bottled specifically for human consumption.

Posted by: Provenance Dec 1 2006, 08:06 PM

It's nice that there are so many volunteers to sample the carefully crafted t-joney goodness the King. Other people require subtle encouragement.
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Posted by: Deluge Dec 1 2006, 08:19 PM

I sure hope that each vile is accompanied by a sample from the Pernod Fils 1914 cache. You know? To cleanse the palate!

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I feel like a canary in a coal mine!

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Dec 1 2006, 08:29 PM

QUOTE(traineraz @ Dec 1 2006, 12:56 PM) *

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Nov 25 2006, 12:42 PM) *

And the one, THE ONE who has held the chop.gif flag high for years is left out. HA!

It's a conspiracy, I tell you...

How exactly were you left out?

Anyone who'd written five reviews prior to November 20 and asked to participate was welcome to. In fact, Oxy gave a few weeks for people to submit those five reviews.

I had to hold off on writing reviews, lest I be accidentally selected.

Peridot submitted extra reviews just to be sure he could get a sample!



Trainer, that was what we in South America call a "joke".

Posted by: Provenance Dec 1 2006, 09:06 PM

A funny one at that.

Posted by: Steyr850 Dec 1 2006, 09:35 PM

I'm unnerved every time I see that photo of Eric.

Posted by: traineraz Dec 1 2006, 09:56 PM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 1 2006, 11:29 AM) *
Trainer, that was what we in South America call a "joke".

We in the US have a different definition for "joke". To us, it means something humorous. harhar.gif

QUOTE(Steyr850 @ Dec 1 2006, 12:35 PM) *

I'm aroused every time I see that photo of Eric.

That's far more than we needed to know, reindeer.

Put the antlers down and step away from the master distiller.

QUOTE(Deluge @ Dec 1 2006, 11:19 AM) *

I sure hope that each vile is accompanied by a sample from the Pernod Fils 1914 cache. You know? To cleanse the palate!

Hmm, another of these so-called "jokes"?

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 1 2006, 10:08 PM

Well. The photo of Mr Paperbag just don't cut it! The King don't louche like that! Besides, isn't that the cheapo version? We gonna be doing the Bling Bling King!


Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 1 2006, 10:49 PM

I think the bling bling king is gonna bust a cap in my ass.

It wasn't until I saw a picture of that bottle with the debris floating in it that it occured to me what martyrdom I had set myself up for. 72 virgins, here I come!

Posted by: traineraz Dec 2 2006, 12:05 AM

I got five bucks that sez Donnie's curled up fast asleep after the third virgin.

In other words, about 10 minutes hence.

Posted by: Steyr850 Dec 2 2006, 12:28 AM

I ain't sayin' xit. Gone in sixty-seconds.
I usually just apologize.
I'm in it for me.

Posted by: bob_chong Dec 2 2006, 05:11 PM

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 1 2006, 06:49 PM) *

72 virgins, here I come!


Or 72 raisins, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=72+raisins+Irshad+Manji+&spell=1.

Posted by: ubu Dec 2 2006, 10:07 PM

That's good. They'll need the raisins to help clean out their systems after ingesting all of that wormwood.

Posted by: crosby Dec 3 2006, 09:21 AM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 1 2006, 01:29 PM) *

Trainer, that was what we in South America call a "joke".

I've always said you were one funny guy.

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 3 2006, 03:03 PM

QUOTE(bob_chong @ Dec 2 2006, 01:11 PM) *

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 1 2006, 06:49 PM) *

72 virgins, here I come!


Or 72 raisins, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=72+raisins+Irshad+Manji+&spell=1.


I admire Irshad Manji's bravery. She's dead on the money about the mistranslation, and I've been meaning to pick up her book. The Bible also contains similar translation errors (never says Mary was a virgin, but it doesn't say she was a raisin either!), but thankfully nobody is blowing anybody up over that part...

Posted by: G&C Dec 3 2006, 03:22 PM

Yet.

Posted by: bob_chong Dec 3 2006, 05:48 PM

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 3 2006, 11:03 AM) *

The Bible also contains similar translation errors (never says Mary was a virgin...)


Do you have a reference for that? I'd be interested to read it. Luke 1:26-35 and Matthew 1:18-25 seem pretty clear to me. Then again, I'm no Catholic, where Mary has been elevated to extra-textual heights (e.g., "perpetual virginity").

Edit:

Ah, screw it. There's nothing you can cite that will change my mind, nor I yours. Good day, sir.

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 3 2006, 06:15 PM

The bible(s) are pretty clear that Mary was a virgin. The contradiction lies in the older aramaic texts -- some of them among the dead sea scrolls. It seems the word translated later into "virgin" was merely the title they called or referred to or young women as. Better translations might have been "maiden, or Miss." Thus the biblical interpretation would be that she was a virgin (as in several Roman mystery cults) but the likely history is that she was married to Joseph and had his child -- especially since the tradition of the time required a "deflowering" of the bride in a special tent as part of the marriage ritual.


What does all this mean to us now?




Not a goddamn thing.

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 3 2006, 06:41 PM

...that God is a DJ?

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 4 2006, 07:53 PM

Got a little package today with the KOSG.
Floaties.

I am soooo looking forward to the sampling of this... sleepy.gif

Posted by: Deluge Dec 4 2006, 07:58 PM

Me too.

Nepenthes, Selmac, Larspeart, Perruche Verte and I will gather and have a little Minneapolis tasting.

Sorry guys!

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 4 2006, 08:01 PM

This could be more like a wine tasting . . .


spitting included.

Posted by: Provenance Dec 4 2006, 08:06 PM

Will be you be smoking the vegetation?

Posted by: Deluge Dec 4 2006, 08:43 PM

We're going to freebase that shit!

Posted by: thegreenimp Dec 4 2006, 09:00 PM

harhar.gif


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Posted by: traineraz Dec 4 2006, 09:49 PM

QUOTE(hartsmar @ Dec 3 2006, 09:41 AM) *

...that God is a DJ?

http://www.ouchytheclown.com is a DJ.

Wait a minute . . .

Posted by: Steyr850 Dec 4 2006, 09:57 PM

QUOTE(Provenance @ Dec 4 2006, 04:06 PM) *

Will be you be smoking the vegetation?

brownies bro.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 6 2006, 03:52 PM

QUOTE(hartsmar @ Dec 4 2006, 12:53 PM) *

Got a little package today with the KOSG.
Floaties.

I am soooo looking forward to the sampling of this... sleepy.gif


My jealousy knows no bounds.

Hey, floaties are better than sinkers, right?

Oh wait, that comes after you taste the stuff.

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 6 2006, 04:57 PM

...

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 6 2006, 05:21 PM

QUOTE(bob_chong @ Dec 3 2006, 01:48 PM) *

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 3 2006, 11:03 AM) *

The Bible also contains similar translation errors (never says Mary was a virgin...)


Do you have a reference for that? I'd be interested to read it. Luke 1:26-35 and Matthew 1:18-25 seem pretty clear to me. Then again, I'm no Catholic, where Mary has been elevated to extra-textual heights (e.g., "perpetual virginity").

Edit:

Ah, screw it. There's nothing you can cite that will change my mind, nor I yours. Good day, sir.


Sorry Bob, didn't see this post before now. I'll cite it anyway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%60almah) just so it doesn't appear I'm evading your question. The translation quagmire comes from the King James Bible, which was taken from the Greek, which was translated from the original Hebrew. The Greek version translates the Hebrew "Almah" in Isaiah 17:4 as the Greek word for "Virgin", when what it usually means in Hebrew is "unmarried young lady". Matthew was referring to Isaiah's prophecy.

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nor I yours.


My mind is certainly open to evidence if its from something other than a single 2000 year old 6th hand heresay account (the Bible). Thank goodness our courts require a larger burden of proof than theologians, otherwise we'd convict murderers because somebody who knew somebody thought they were guilty.

OK, back to your regularly scheduled KOSG programming, though I suppose the current topic of history being misinterpreted can be found in a bottle of KOSG too...you know, that stuff Van Gogh whacked his ear off on and makes you trip balz.

Posted by: Steyr850 Dec 6 2006, 06:23 PM

I think most who follow scripture are understanding of translation issues. It's the message that one considers to be true, which has to be accepted by faith.

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 6 2006, 07:29 PM

QUOTE(Steyr850 @ Dec 6 2006, 02:23 PM) *

I think most who follow scripture are understanding of translation issues.


Not in the case of the 72 raisins or the virgin mary.

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It's the message that one considers to be true, which has to be accepted by faith.


Why must something be accepted by faith?

Posted by: Steyr850 Dec 6 2006, 08:01 PM

To say "most" is definitely counting on too many, I'll admit to that.

I'm not sure if your question regarding faith is rhetorical, as I'm sure you are very familiar with scripture. Faith is the basis of understanding/believing in the matters of spirituality as told through the scriptures. Obviously, it takes faith to believe and angel of God came upon a virgin who gave birth to the Son of God, just as the same faith points toward the death and resurrection of Him.

Posted by: sixela Dec 6 2006, 08:06 PM

QUOTE(Steyr850 @ Dec 6 2006, 10:01 PM) *

To say "most" is definitely counting on too many, I'll admit to that.

I'm not sure if your question regarding faith is rhetorical, as I'm sure you are very familiar with scripture. Faith is the basis of understanding/believing in the matters of spirituality as told through the scriptures.


That's your faith, not Faith. And "as told through the scriptures" is open to quite some interpretation, too.

Posted by: Steyr850 Dec 6 2006, 08:20 PM

I understand your using the word as a descriptor of a particular set of beliefs, but I'm trying to use it primarily defined as the "belief in things not seen" pertaining to all the spiritual accountings described in the Bible. That is the book we are discussing, no?

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 6 2006, 08:39 PM

QUOTE(Steyr850 @ Dec 6 2006, 04:01 PM) *

I'm not sure if your question regarding faith is rhetorical, as I'm sure you are very familiar with scripture.


I was asking a somewhat rhetorical question, but I do appreciate your answer as to what your personal faith means, so thank you. As you implied, it takes faith to believe those things you mentioned, since they are preposterous on face value. However, I suppose the many generations of people who believed it and reinforced the systems encouraging belief before you were born probably helps to make it easier to be faithful.

Posted by: bob_chong Dec 6 2006, 08:48 PM

Donnie, I'm familiar with the whole "virgin" word thing as possibly meaning something else, but Matthew 1:18 and Luke 1:24 clarify things by saying it operationally (e.g., having not known a man, etc.).

Anyway, if you've hardened your heart and reject God, I don't have much else to say. I think Steyr gives a decent description of faith (although I would say that my faith is broader and deeper than chalking up the unanswerable questions to the Maker...e.g., examples from my own life, seeing God in action, etc).

And I can't figure out what Sixela's beef is. Unless he's being rhetorical.

Posted by: bob_chong Dec 6 2006, 08:53 PM

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 6 2006, 04:39 PM) *

it takes faith to believe those things you mentioned, since they are preposterous on face value


No more preposterous than some "scientific theories," which require just as much faith. Big Bang?

BTW, do you think that if I leave some sheet metal in a field long enough, it'll eventually evolve into a 747?

(Not trying to bring the whole evolution thing in here--all I'm saying is that some things touted as absolutely true and unassailable require a good deal of faith, too.)

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 6 2006, 08:59 PM

Ah, mysticism vs rationality and science, the battle of the times: progress or regress.

Posted by: Provenance Dec 6 2006, 09:02 PM

I find science to be increasingly http://www.qedcorp.com/London/03-Sarfatti-P.pdf

Posted by: sixela Dec 6 2006, 09:27 PM

QUOTE(bob_chong @ Dec 6 2006, 10:53 PM) *

BTW, do you think that if I leave some sheet metal in a field long enough, it'll eventually evolve into a 747?


Show me a fossil record and proof of a mechanism of sexual reproduction, and the answer will be yes.

The question is rather how our universe happens to be the one to foster evolution of matter into self-conscious beings; most possible universes are extremely sterile, just like most sheets of metal lack the capability to reproduce sexually.

There are a few differences between faith and the use of scientific theories: first of all, scientific theories don't claim to be true, but simply able to explain observational results; secondly, they're falsifiable (and often refined or even overhauled as a result); and thirdly, when selecting between different hypotheses, scientists usually use Occam's razor to select the more simple one.

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 6 2006, 09:36 PM

What we yet know of the universe, while much more than we used to, is minimal. The vastness and complexity of the universe is far too great to be limited by any diety we can project on it. We have the extraordinary ability to learn what we don't know and that knowledge, constatnly honed by science is based on verifiable information.

Beats the heck out of the myths we make up to explain what we don't know.

Life and consciousness are amazing, tenuous conditions to be appreciated but they are explainable in scientific terms.

Posted by: traineraz Dec 6 2006, 09:41 PM

Look at this discussion.

. . . and you all claim KOSG has no secondary effects?

Posted by: sixela Dec 6 2006, 09:45 PM

QUOTE(bob_chong @ Dec 6 2006, 10:48 PM) *

And I can't figure out what Sixela's beef is. Unless he's being rhetorical.



I'm not. I do think the scriptures are a revelation. But I do question both the writers' capacity to write the revelation down accurately, and anyone's capacity to be certain he reads the scriptures properly (given that we have umpteen Christian churches who don't exactly agree on everything, and God knows how many undercurrents in even Catholic theology, I think that's a given).

The people who're most sure *their* reading of the scriptures is the correct one are usually the most arrogant ones, and not necessarily the ones closer to God.

I also think it's possible for someone to have Faith (capital "F") even though he doesn't think the scriptures are worth the paper they're printed on.

Posted by: sixela Dec 6 2006, 09:47 PM

QUOTE(Jaded Prol @ Dec 6 2006, 11:36 PM) *

Life and consciousness are amazing, tenuous conditions to be appreciated but they are explainable in scientific terms.


It depends on what the question is. Certainly, science has an answer if you're asking "how", but not exactly one if you ask "why" -- and for good reason, because (exact) science knows its own limits; it certainly won't replace theology and philosophy.

Posted by: peridot Dec 6 2006, 09:50 PM

QUOTE(bob_chong @ Dec 6 2006, 02:53 PM) *

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 6 2006, 04:39 PM) *

it takes faith to believe those things you mentioned, since they are preposterous on face value


No more preposterous than some "scientific theories," which require just as much faith. Big Bang?

BTW, do you think that if I leave some sheet metal in a field long enough, it'll eventually evolve into a 747?

(Not trying to bring the whole evolution thing in here--all I'm saying is that some things touted as absolutely true and unassailable require a good deal of faith, too.)


Anyone who "believes" in science is not being scientific. Science is not a belief system; it's a study. No true scientist will ever tout anything as absolutely true and unassailable. Scientists who become obsessive and dogmatic about theories, sure that their idea of how things work is the only valid one, no longer represent science. A person who really understands science would say, "The Big Bang Theory answers many questions about the origin of the universe, but there are still more questions that it doesn't answer. Still, it is the best working theory we have so far," instead of "The universe began with the Big Bang. Period. And anyone who doesn't agree that it's absolutely true is an idiot."

I don't think science and faith are mutually exclusive. The way I see it is that science tries to provide answers to questions about that which we can experience with our senses, while faith answers questions about that which we experience beyond our senses.

Posted by: peridot Dec 6 2006, 09:58 PM

By the way, I just got my KOSG. I'm calling the hazmat unit.

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 6 2006, 10:06 PM

One can have faith in the scientific method. Knowledge gained by that process is naturally going to change as more knowledge is gained.

I don't know that we can truly experience anything beyond our senses as much as we underestimate the limit of our senses. I will acknowledge spirituality even as an athiest, (though I feel it as connection) but just because we don't have a scientific explanation for those experiences doesn't mean that they can't be scientifically explained. We merely lack the information.

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 6 2006, 10:06 PM

QUOTE(bob_chong @ Dec 6 2006, 04:53 PM) *

No more preposterous than some "scientific theories," which require just as much faith. Big Bang?


The Big Bang is quite preposterous on face value. But scientists have found substantial amounts of observable physical evidence (Hubble's law, Red shift law) which led to that theory being plausible. Of course it is unproven, but the physical evidence does give one something more than just faith to base the theory upon.

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Not trying to bring the whole evolution thing in here


But you did, so....

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BTW, do you think that if I leave some sheet metal in a field long enough, it'll eventually evolve into a 747?


That's a common way to rig the debate. It's usually phrased "if a hurricane went through an airplane scrapyard do you think it could assemble a 747?" It comes from the mind of those who think the only two options for explaining our origin are Intelligent Design or random chance. Natural Selection provides a testable and observable 3rd option which is neither ID nor chance, and has a mountain of evidence in its favour. Simple organisms do give rise to more complex ones. You can reject the evidence by either not learning about it or not comprehending it, but it's still there. Like it or not, your chromosome #2 proves your ancestor was an ape. Here is the genetic proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs1zeWWIm5M

If one can look at ape's chromosome #13 and find identical telomeres in the middle of our chromosome #2, that proves both chromosomal fusion and our genetic relation to apes. That requires no more faith than it does to acknowledge that someone inherits baldness from the men on their mother's side of the family.

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Anyway, if you've hardened your heart and reject God, I don't have much else to say.


My heart is quite soft, with plenty of room for love and lots or morals, just not imaginary friends.

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 6 2006, 10:08 PM

You mean there's no Santa?!?

Posted by: peridot Dec 6 2006, 10:17 PM

QUOTE(Jaded Prol @ Dec 6 2006, 04:06 PM) *

I don't know that we can truly experience anything beyond our senses as much as we underestimate the limit of our senses. I will acknowledge spirituality even as an athiest, (though I feel it as connection) but just because we don't have a scientific explanation for those experiences doesn't mean that they can't be scientifically explained. We merely lack the information.


In my opinion, it's not an issue of whether science can explain such things, but whether it currently does. It doesn't as if this time, which makes that which we experience beyond normal means the sole dominion of faith. But I do agree with you generally. And I consider it to be possible that, the more we discover, the more likely it is that science will give answers to questions of a spiritual nature. And if it does I don't feel that it will demystify or cheapen spirituality because, as Sixela said, science only attempts to answer how, not why.

Posted by: Deluge Dec 6 2006, 10:17 PM

Let us not forget what Uncle Dave Macon once said…

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"God Didn't Make Me No Monkey Man"

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 6 2006, 10:20 PM

Very true. "Why" is question for philosohpers just as "what the question is" may be for the alchemists to find.

Some questions have no answer.

Posted by: grey boy Dec 6 2006, 10:22 PM

QUOTE(Jaded Prol @ Dec 6 2006, 06:08 PM) *

You mean there's no Santa?!?

Of course not,
but there is an Easter Bunny.
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Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 6 2006, 10:22 PM

HAHAHAHAHA! I have faith in Frank.

QUOTE(peridot @ Dec 6 2006, 05:58 PM) *

By the way, I just got my KOSG. I'm calling the hazmat unit.


I have faith that the KOSG will be the worst tasting "absinth" I've ever consumed.

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 6 2006, 10:27 PM

QUOTE(peridot @ Dec 6 2006, 05:50 PM) *

Anyone who "believes" in science is not being scientific. Science is not a belief system; it's a study. No true scientist will ever tout anything as absolutely true and unassailable. Scientists who become obsessive and dogmatic about theories, sure that their idea of how things work is the only valid one, no longer represent science. A person who really understands science would say, "The Big Bang Theory answers many questions about the origin of the universe, but there are still more questions that it doesn't answer. Still, it is the best working theory we have so far," instead of "The universe began with the Big Bang. Period. And anyone who doesn't agree that it's absolutely true is an idiot."


You hit that one out of the park. Science loves ignorance, since unknowns about our world give scientists a job. Faith says "here's the answer to every question you're ever going to have".

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 6 2006, 10:35 PM

QUOTE(peridot @ Dec 6 2006, 06:17 PM) *

I consider it to be possible that, the more we discover, the more likely it is that science will give answers to questions of a spiritual nature. And if it does I don't feel that it will demystify or cheapen spirituality because, as Sixela said, science only attempts to answer how, not why.


As do I. Near death experiences (i.e. light at the end of the tunnel) and Out Of Body Experiences now have demonstrable biological explanations. I find those sorts of discoveries far more thrilling than just attributing every supposedly supernatural thing to God. Dawkins' excellent book Unweaving the Rainbow really gets across that sense of amazement and wonder one can get from staring at the stars and understanding why they look that way.

I'm sure Sixela gets that feeling regularly. I really need to move somewhere with less light pollution.

Posted by: peridot Dec 6 2006, 10:39 PM

When I was in highschool in redneckville, Mississippi, my biology class was full of "because God made it that way." That was the only answer. The teacher had to follow the code and actually teach biology, but his favourite answer to receive from students to any question he asked was "because God made it that way."

It always astonished me. Even if that's your belief, that doesn't diminish the significance of the processes that are taking place, affecting every single aspect of our world. If God created the processes they're still worth studying and understanding. Of course, it was only a problem in biology. I never heard "because God made it that way" in physics or chemistry.

Posted by: Provenance Dec 6 2006, 11:01 PM

"Because God made it that way" can be an excellent answer when playing doctor.

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 6 2006, 11:02 PM

I had a similar experience in my "Biology" class in Public School in Tennessee. The teacher wrapped duct tape around the Evolution chapter of the Biology book because "we no man didn't come from no monkey".
In retrospect, I'm glad the teacher didn't bother trying to teach evolution since his intellectual capacity was apparently no better than that of a monkey anyway.

I find it silly that Faith gets exempted from the rigorous evidentiary standards science and law are held to, and one is perceived as obnoxious or shrill if they question faith, but perceived as perfectly reasonable if they question science. If God is something we're supposed to base our entire fucking life upon, shouldn't we make sure we can verify it first? Pascal's wager is a favourite of Christians, but ask yourself the opposite: what if this life is all you have, and you based your entire life on a falsehood? I'm hedging my bets even more than cowardly Pascal was.

Note that Ken Miller in the Youtube link I posted is a Roman Catholic, and Francis Collins (head of the Human Genome Project) is also a theist. Faith does not have to exclude science, though I think to attribute "God" to something science doesn't yet understand is a cop-out. There are plenty of Theists in the scientific community whom I respect and agree with on nearly every issue. Sadly it's rare to find a faithful person that listens to scientific evidence presented by an Atheist.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 6 2006, 11:11 PM


"I have faith that the KOSG will be the worst tasting "absinth" I've ever consumed."



Still haven't braved the Elixier, eh?

Posted by: Gertz Dec 6 2006, 11:17 PM

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 7 2006, 12:35 AM) *

I'm sure Sixela gets that feeling regularly. I really need to move somewhere with less light pollution.

Belgium is probably the most light polluted part of Europe. I was unable to find a place where I could actually see comet Hyakutake, when I lived there. Fortunately, I had a little vacation in rural Denmark before it returned into deep space.

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 6 2006, 11:21 PM

QUOTE(Absomphe @ Dec 6 2006, 07:11 PM) *

"I have faith that the KOSG will be the worst tasting "absinth" I've ever consumed."



Still haven't braved the Elixier, eh?


I'm already committing quite the heresy by tasting KOSG. Elixier would make the Absinthe gods stick me in purgatory...

Posted by: Steyr850 Dec 6 2006, 11:32 PM

I hope I didn't open too big a can-O-worms here. However, my "Faith" which is based soley on faith, is very important to me. I wished I made more choices on a day to day basis directed by my Faith. For me, science and my Faith can coexist together. I don't see a problem with using science to theorize a physical dimension wrought from the Spiritual.

I try not to let religious doctrines interfere in my beliefs, but that is the struggle of the ages. It soley is responsible for the decay experienced with Christianity, and now Faiths of all.


Posted by: peridot Dec 6 2006, 11:38 PM

Same here. My faith is not injured by scientific study because it doesn't attempt to answer "how," only "why."

Posted by: Gertz Dec 6 2006, 11:39 PM

QUOTE(Jaded Prol @ Dec 7 2006, 12:06 AM) *

One can have faith in the scientific method.

I'm not sure I would call that "faith". It's more like "fairly good reason to think it works and no convincing reason to reconsider that so far". Scientific method is a matter of solving specific problems and answering specific questions.

Funny how most of those who argue against, say, evolution, still do it with scientific/logical arguments (hurricanes building airplanes etc.) and must thus be assumed to believe in them. Too much, actually, as they are using them in a field (religion) where they don't belong.

Oh, and I just got a KOSG sample today. I was beginning to think/hope that Oxy hadn't noticed my volunteering, but alas, it seems that I have to face the ordeal.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 6 2006, 11:40 PM

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 6 2006, 04:21 PM) *


I'm already committing quite the heresy by tasting KOSG. Elixier would make the Absinthe gods stick me in purgatory...


Oh, I see...

So it's okay for me to rot down here with only the likes of that Viking Quisling Hartsmar for company?

God (or Frank)'ll getcha for that callous indifference, Donnie. nono.gif

Posted by: jacal01 Dec 7 2006, 04:26 AM

QUOTE(Provenance @ Dec 6 2006, 03:02 PM) *

I find science to be increasingly http://www.qedcorp.com/London/03-Sarfatti-P.pdf

Bully! And the phenomenon that it observes is the accelerating expansion of the universe.

'Course people contemplating their navel may be actually seaching for the Kingdom within.

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Posted by: bob_chong Dec 7 2006, 07:05 AM

My point was that faith fills in the gaps, no matter what you subscribe to. I haven't seen anything on this thread that contradicts that. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't pretend that believing in clever theories is completely devoid of faith. There are missing pieces, missing links, whatever--and that's where faith comes in, even for the post-religious folk. Some use the word faith like it's an insult, not realizing that it takes just as much faith to put stock in some of their deeply held beliefs...


Posted by: thegreenimp Dec 7 2006, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(Jaded Prol @ Dec 6 2006, 06:08 PM) *

You mean there's no Santa?!?

Of course not,
but there is an Easter Bunny.
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I don't know about the Easter Bunny, but have you met my friend Harvey?

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I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, and I'm happy to state I've finally won out over it........Elwood P. Dowd






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Posted by: sixela Dec 7 2006, 09:32 AM

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 7 2006, 12:35 AM) *

I'm sure Sixela gets that feeling regularly. I really need to move somewhere with less light pollution.


You bet. I just had my first look at the Perseus 1 galaxy cluster two weekends ago. 222 million light years away, and countless galaxies as large as the milky way which spanned the entire sky. And I had the best view ever of our close sister, M31 (the Andromeda galaxy), whose shape was clearly seen with the naked eye and whose size in the telescope proved awesome - it was almost tangible as a huge collection of myriads of stars.

I'm just waiting for Christian fundamentalists to advocate light pollution, to avoid mere mortals realising how tiny a speck of dust the Earth is in the grand scheme of things (even though it's nothing short of a miracle that there are people to look at those wonders, and that we're those people).

Posted by: sixela Dec 7 2006, 09:33 AM

QUOTE(Gertz @ Dec 7 2006, 01:17 AM) *

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 7 2006, 12:35 AM) *

I'm sure Sixela gets that feeling regularly. I really need to move somewhere with less light pollution.

Belgium is probably the most light polluted part of Europe.


And Antwerp is the most light polluted part of Belgium - here, we could barely see Hale-Bopp when it came around. I have to drive for an hour to get to Mag 6.0 skies.


Posted by: sixela Dec 7 2006, 09:38 AM

QUOTE(bob_chong @ Dec 7 2006, 09:05 AM) *

My point was that faith fills in the gaps, no matter what you subscribe to. I haven't seen anything on this thread that contradicts that. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't pretend that believing in clever theories is completely devoid of faith. There are missing pieces, missing links, whatever--


There is faith in theories, but there should also be a healthy dose of skepticism if you're a scientist, and a conscious effort not to make theories overreach themselves. Sometimes I wish the same critical spirit enlightened those reading bible texts, and made them realise that humans wrote them (and that those that read them are humans, too, and in a different social context from that of the authors).

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 7 2006, 01:45 PM

QUOTE(sixela @ Dec 7 2006, 01:33 PM) *

I have to drive for an hour to get to Mag 6.0 skies.


I didn't even know there were astronomy nerds until I met Sixela.

Posted by: sixela Dec 7 2006, 01:59 PM

Yeah, I got my badge:

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Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 7 2006, 03:44 PM

QUOTE(bob_chong @ Dec 7 2006, 03:05 AM) *

My point was that faith fills in the gaps, no matter what you subscribe to. I haven't seen anything on this thread that contradicts that.


I am in complete agreement with you. I think the only significant point on which we disagree is the size of those gaps, and what can fill them. I prefer to leave them as open ended yet to be answered questions which science is working on, whereas you have an answer that works for you. I don't mean to come across as looking down upon your faith, it's just that faith in general is something I do not comprehend, and so I look for physical alternative explanations to fill those gaps. Some view those physical explanations as "faith", but those physical explanations do have a high degree of probability on their side, which contradicts my definition of faith.

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 7 2006, 04:00 PM

Gentlemen, please, let's get this thread back on track, and back to KOSG.

I'll start:

Did the Virgin Mary wear panties?

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 7 2006, 04:15 PM

If she did, you can bet they'd hit the floor when you pop open a bottle of KOSG!

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 7 2006, 05:14 PM

My point exactly. They don't call it "The Ultimate Panty Remover" for nothing.

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 7 2006, 09:32 PM

I received my sample. I'd better warn my wife...

Posted by: The Standard Deviant Dec 7 2006, 09:50 PM

Jean Lanfray II: The curse of absinthe strikes again as an American shoots his wife. . .

Posted by: The Standard Deviant Dec 7 2006, 09:51 PM

Remember that it doesn't work as a 'panty remover' if you are the one doing the drinking.

Posted by: G&C Dec 7 2006, 10:30 PM

Don't be so sure.

Posted by: Absinthesizer Dec 7 2006, 10:46 PM

Two visits from the monkeys today:
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Posted by: Absomphe Dec 7 2006, 10:50 PM

That's the funniest juxtapositioning I've seen since Danny DeVito and Arnold in 'Twins'.

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 7 2006, 10:52 PM

More like Betty standing next to Rachel Weisz.

In that photo the Jade bottle should have a different label that says "<-----I'm with stupid".

Posted by: peridot Dec 7 2006, 11:00 PM

The labels on the little KOSG samples look intimidating. "Sample for Testing."

Fuck, man, what have I gotten myself into? tongue.gif

Posted by: Provenance Dec 7 2006, 11:05 PM

That's a might small sample. To enjoy the King properly you want to chug at least a quarter bottle.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 7 2006, 11:27 PM

So that's your collateral damage.

Now I can sympathize.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 7 2006, 11:30 PM

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 7 2006, 03:52 PM) *

More like Betty standing next to Rachel Weisz.




I must've missed that shot.

Was that photo op Rachel's offer in lieu Betty's of the usual extortionist rate for a bottle of vintage?

Posted by: Provenance Dec 7 2006, 11:53 PM

QUOTE(Absomphe @ Dec 7 2006, 04:27 PM) *

So that's your collateral damage.

No, oddly enough not many major financial institutions accept the King as collateral.

Posted by: sixela Dec 8 2006, 12:13 AM

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 7 2006, 11:32 PM) *

I received my sample. I'd better warn my wife...


Mine doesn't wear panties. I must've fallen in a vat full of KOSG when I was small¹.

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¹cfr. Obelix

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 8 2006, 12:19 AM


"No, oddly enough not many major financial institutions accept the King as collateral."



Perhaps not, but I most certainly do.

What a long, strange Balztrip™ it's been to the mailbox, just now.

Yes, my deadly package has arrived, and I'm on tenterhooks to taste this delicacy a bit more than two days hence.

The Minneapolis crew is gonna freebase it, Deluge, so I guess I'll have to snort it, just to one up you guys. bye1.gif

Hartsmar, you said it came with floaties...funny, they look like sinkers, to me.

And Donnie...yes, I'd better warn the wife, as well...not that it'll be the first time she'll have seen me channeled by the grate Jean Lanfray. evill.gif

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 8 2006, 12:29 AM

...™

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 8 2006, 01:27 AM

Just got back from out of town with my sample waiting for me.

I was wondering... would the "color" categories include overall appearance? I.e., should points be taken off for floaties?

Posted by: G&C Dec 8 2006, 01:33 AM

And added for sinkers.

Posted by: peridot Dec 8 2006, 01:43 AM

Well, it's not sediment. It's intentionally added crap, so I don't know if it's appropriate to consider that a flaw in the context of a review.

Should colour after water category just be negated since it's not supposed to louche? Or should we just give it a crappy score for not being different than before the water? Is it a double deduction for one thing since it will surely get a zero for louche action?

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 8 2006, 02:05 AM

I'd say rate color after water the same as before water. It will no doubt be less than the before water score, since it's diluted. I'd be inclined to say that opacity and pearliness would go under louche action.

I have a feeling color is going to be the biggest scoring category for it anyways. My guess is that it might break 20 if it doesn't smell too horrible. We shall see.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 8 2006, 02:49 AM

I think there's an 80s classic film that sums these questions up nicely...'Less Than Zero'.

Posted by: Lord Stanley Dec 8 2006, 03:06 AM

I seem to remember a lot of dazed, disoriented people puking in that movie so it should be applicable in more ways than one.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 8 2006, 03:39 AM

You catch on quick, Grasshopper. het.gif

Posted by: G&C Dec 8 2006, 03:55 AM

Or,

Not bad for a . . .
















former Nostrilla

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 8 2006, 04:04 AM

Yes, we resemble that remark. abs-cheers.gif

Posted by: G&C Dec 8 2006, 04:10 AM

Indeed!



Posted by: KillDarr Dec 8 2006, 09:39 AM

So are you supposed to louche it with the debris in it or strain the stuff out first?

Posted by: peridot Dec 8 2006, 03:05 PM

Leave the debris in it. Don't louche it. Just add water instead.

Posted by: traineraz Dec 8 2006, 09:56 PM

It's December 8 . . . tick, tick, tick . . .

abs-cheers.gif Bottoms up!

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 8 2006, 10:46 PM

My mom saw the sample bottles on my desk and took a look at the label. "Are these urine samples?" she asked. Not too far off.

One more question before the big day comes- is it acceptable to use profanity in our reviews? I have a sinking feeling that it may be the only way to get the point across.

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 8 2006, 11:27 PM

If there is wormwood floating in it, I would think that would put it in the minus category for color.

Posted by: traineraz Dec 9 2006, 12:02 AM

QUOTE(AndrewT @ Dec 8 2006, 01:46 PM) *

My mom saw the sample bottles on my desk and took a look at the label. "Are these urine samples?" she asked. Not too far off.


"It will be later tonight, Mom!"

QUOTE(Jaded Prol @ Dec 8 2006, 02:27 PM) *

If there is wormwood floating in it, I would think that would put it in the minus category for color.

And Mom should really be taking you to the clinic if your urine sample is chunky.

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 9 2006, 10:51 AM

Gentlemen, I'd suggest a period of meditation and quite contemplation as you prepare for tomorrrow's ordeal. Now's the time to say your goodbyes.

Posted by: mthuilli Dec 9 2006, 11:28 AM

or adieu...

Posted by: justabob Dec 9 2006, 08:09 PM

The KOSG people have secretly contacted all the contestants and have provided large cash payments to garner favorable reviews. I was wondering if you could match the offer?

Posted by: whizz Dec 9 2006, 08:47 PM

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 7 2006, 01:02 AM) *

The teacher wrapped duct tape around the Evolution chapter of the Biology book because "we no man didn't come from no monkey".


That because he was certain that: "man cometh from the cousins" viking_emoticon.gif

Posted by: peridot Dec 9 2006, 08:48 PM

I'm concerned that the time limit to write the review after drinking the shit doesn't give me enough time to make it to the hospital and back. I don't own a laptop.

Posted by: prattwink Dec 9 2006, 08:58 PM

First of all, you guys missed it ! There is one that goes to 11 !!!! (111 that is, mg of tujone) I think it killed a Spinal Tap's 3rd drummer.
http://www.absinthe.bz/store/zele-premium.html?mv_pc=M-Bullzeye5Zele

And i pray that at least one of you out lines the experience like this guy:

http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/issues/08-04/08-04-van-gogh.htm


Posted by: peridot Dec 9 2006, 09:02 PM

Yeah, I've seen that before. This part cracks me up:

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Naturally green in color, AbsintheX uses a blend of 13 herbs the most important of which are wormwood, mint, aniseed and chamomile which distill inside the bottle and enhance the taste and chop.gif content


It distills inside the bottle. Holy fuck. That's awesome.

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 9 2006, 10:24 PM

"Awsome" isn't the word for it.

Posted by: prattwink Dec 9 2006, 11:48 PM

I think by awesome he meant not awesome.

Posted by: peridot Dec 10 2006, 12:41 AM

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. By awesome I meant "bullshit."

If a liquor bottle could distill its contents that would be pretty far beyond awesome.

Posted by: Kirk Dec 10 2006, 04:43 AM

So, it's come to this.

Posted by: Absinthesizer Dec 10 2006, 06:22 AM

What, you expected it to come someplace different?

Or, umm, I mean, maybe, differently?

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 10 2006, 01:11 PM

QUOTE(Kirk @ Dec 10 2006, 08:43 AM) *

So, it's come to this.


Yes, yes it has, Kirk.

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 10 2006, 01:15 PM

13.14 GMT. 08.14 Eastern. 05.14 Pacific.

6 hours and 46 minutes to go.

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 10 2006, 03:11 PM

You can almost cut the anticipation with a knife.

Posted by: Lord Stanley Dec 10 2006, 03:39 PM

This event is the antithesis of that http://www.globalorgasm.org/ Day mentioned in the Corn Hole.
The rest of us had better be "gettin' busy" today to balance out the energy field.

Posted by: peridot Dec 10 2006, 03:43 PM

QUOTE(AndrewT @ Dec 10 2006, 09:11 AM) *

You can almost cut the anticipation with a knife.

You mean dread.

Looking through the most recent posts, there's an atmosphere like the march to the gallows.

Posted by: Lord Stanley Dec 10 2006, 04:01 PM

Nobody ever volunteered, much less competed, for a swing on the gallows though. wacko.gif

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 10 2006, 04:17 PM

I know. They don't call me Dr Evil for nothing.


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Posted by: thegreenimp Dec 10 2006, 04:38 PM

QUOTE(peridot @ Dec 10 2006, 09:43 AM) *

QUOTE(AndrewT @ Dec 10 2006, 09:11 AM) *

You can almost cut the anticipation with a knife.

You mean dread.

Looking through the most recent posts, there's an atmosphere like the march to the gallows.


The Green Mile, Part II.


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Posted by: AndrewT Dec 10 2006, 04:50 PM

I was kind of hoping for more of a Shawshank Redemption ending...

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 10 2006, 05:07 PM

tick..... tock...... tick............ tock............

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 10 2006, 05:10 PM

Less than three hours...

Posted by: Hiram Dec 10 2006, 06:20 PM

This'll be a hoot. I might drink along just for the fun of it...



Naahhh.

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 10 2006, 07:00 PM

Second thoughts anyone?

Here goes...

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 10 2006, 07:03 PM

57 minutes...

Posted by: peridot Dec 10 2006, 07:04 PM

One hour left....

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 10 2006, 07:07 PM

Make sure you're properly equipped:

KOSG

Glass

Ice Water

Barf Bag

Activated Charcoal mix

Phone




Posted by: hartsmar Dec 10 2006, 07:08 PM

Yup. Everything is ready. The little bottle is staring at me.
I'm scared.

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 10 2006, 07:13 PM

Just keep walking towards the light, and you'll be safe, and everything will be fine.

Posted by: Wild Bill Turkey Dec 10 2006, 07:17 PM

Maybe I'll have a glass of Elixier, just to share your pain.










Posted by: peridot Dec 10 2006, 07:20 PM

KOSG... check

Glass... check

Ice Water... check

Barf Bag... check

Activated Charcoal mix... uh oh.

Phone... check

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 10 2006, 07:20 PM

I knew there was http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/features/archive/news/2006/03/20060322p2g00m0fe012000c.html about this . . .




Posted by: Gertz Dec 10 2006, 07:36 PM

http://www.banned-width.com/shel/works/25mins.html

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 10 2006, 07:51 PM

Now begins the longest 10 minutes of my life.

Posted by: Deluge Dec 10 2006, 07:55 PM

Nepenthes, Selmac and I are just about ready to pour a glass...

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Wish us luck!

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 10 2006, 07:58 PM

2 minutes and counting...

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 10 2006, 07:59 PM

Bottoms up, brave souls.

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 10 2006, 08:00 PM

I'm getting everything set up now. If I don't make it back, send my regards to my family.

Posted by: Absinthesizer Dec 10 2006, 08:01 PM

Oxy - we who are about to cry salute you.

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 10 2006, 08:02 PM

Cheers, soldiers!

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 10 2006, 08:02 PM

God speed, brave pioneers!

Posted by: Alyssa Dyane Dec 10 2006, 08:04 PM

I'm saying a little prayer for you right now. I really pray none of you go blind! heart.gif

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 10 2006, 08:06 PM

Ground control to Major Toms . . .

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 10 2006, 08:11 PM

...cannot.... air... must... please.

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 10 2006, 08:11 PM

QUOTE(Jaded Prol @ Dec 11 2006, 12:06 AM) *

Ground control to Major Toms . . .


...are you floating in a most peculiar way?

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 10 2006, 08:14 PM

That would be herb debris, Oxy. How much have you REALLY been drinking of this!?

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 10 2006, 08:14 PM

I might be.

You seem to have survived into the post pukeing stage.

Posted by: peridot Dec 10 2006, 08:22 PM

I emerge victorious from the field of battle, having conquered the mighty dragon.

Time to start a'reviewin'.

Posted by: Alyssa Dyane Dec 10 2006, 08:23 PM

I hope someone was taking pics of the louche action, and herb floating action!

Posted by: Gertz Dec 10 2006, 08:25 PM

I am currently doing a side-by-side comparison of KOS Regular and KOS Gold ...

Posted by: Spoon Dec 10 2006, 08:28 PM

The only thing that would make this better, would be if Lannie was one of the reviewers.

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 10 2006, 08:28 PM

Posted on Donnie's behalf:

King of Spirits Gold

Reviewed by Donnie Darko 12/10/2006

COLOR BEFORE WATER 2/10
The tint is a fairly light green, not unattractive, but the bottom of the glass contains a hodgepodge of herbal detritus which ruins any potential for the drink to look appealing.

LOUCHE ACTION 0/10
When water is added, you seem some faint swirly oil action for a brief moment, but then that disappears and it goes back to being entirely transparent. It louches about as elegantly as a glass of vodka (i.e not at all).

COLOR AFTER WATER 1/10
Looks like a watered down glass of Chardonnay. To make matters worse, adding water stirs up the herbal detritus and now that debris is floating throughout the drink rather than staying at the bottom.

AROMA 8/30
It smells a bit like Zubrowka Buffalo Grass Vodka, if you've ever smelled that. The difference is the alcohol is much harsher, akin to a very cheap vodka, plus there is a lingering Listerine type aroma behind that.

MOUTH-FEEL 0/10
There is no creaminess or smoothness at all to the mouthfeel. I've had cheap grappa that was softer on the tongue. Nothing but harsh alcohol bite followed by some bitterness that adds insult to injury.

TASTE 3/20
If I were grading this beverage as just another alcoholic beverage, I might have scored it a little higher, since I have tasted worse, but this claims to be Absinthe, and the flavour does not resemble real absinthe whatsoever, so I am forced to heavily penalize it. The first taste one gets is an enormous alcohol stab, followed by a split second minty taste, and then a castor-oil stomach acid type bitterness comes through that induces stomach flips. The bitterness, however, is not as intense as the bitterness that can come from straight wormwood. It tastes much closer to Mugwort. The three points I gave it are for that brief minty taste that creates a short oasis between the piercing alcohol and the repugnant mugwort.

OVERALL IMPRESSION 0/10
Under no circumstances should one consider this drink Absinthe. The only thing it has in common with absinthe is that is contains alcohol. Comparing this to absinthe would be like comparing coffee to wine (hey, they both are mostly water!). In the name of science, I decided to investigate the detritus included in the drink, and it's a curious mess. There is one fennel seed, totally flavourless, 4 anise seeds, all flavourless and one of them has already germinated, and then some sharp wooden splinters which are either the remnants of a shattered 2x4 or perhaps some Mugwort stems. This beverage cannot be taken seriously, even if it were just a generic alcoholic beverage not aspiring to be absinthe. I've tasted a few nastier drinks, like really cheap Tequila, Cisco and Wu Liang Ye, but this one hits the gullet like a greasy pork sandwich dipped in gasoline. You really have to concentrate hard to swallow it. If I had Tripped Balz, I probably would have at least given it one point, but it couldn't even muster that singular characteristic for which people buy it.

PERSONAL NOTES
This product is not worth the glass in which it is bottled.

Donnie Darko scores King of Spirits Gold 14 out of 100

Posted by: justabob Dec 10 2006, 08:30 PM

I feel so dirty . . .

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 10 2006, 08:32 PM

King of Spirits Gold

Reviewed by AndrewT 12/10/2006

COLOR BEFORE WATER 5/10
Slightly pale olive green. Not unpleasant, but lacks the depth of a really vibrant coloring step. Floating chunks of herb stalks detract from the overall appeal, though.

LOUCHE ACTION 0/10
There were occasions where it looked like it was trying to louche, but a slow stream of cold water just brought out the swirly currents you see when diluting any kind of alcohol. After the water settled back down, it's obvoius that there's no louche. The addition of water also brought out some small white bubbles that stick to the side of the glass, as well as float on top. It almost looks like remnants of foam from beer. Perhaps it's also due to being "bottle conditioned".

COLOR AFTER WATER 2/10
Water brings out more of the yellow in the hue. It actually looks like undiluted Un Emile, but slightly more green.

AROMA 10/30
Before water- Alcohol is very present. After my nose got adjusted to it, there were actually some pleasant notes to it. There are some faint floral characteristics (probably from the wormwood) and some vegetal seedy smells (perhaps there actually is some anise and/or fennel macerated in there?)

After water- The alcohol is no longer overwhelming. The wormwood aroma is still present, and not weakened as much as the alcohol was.

Overall, it's not a bad aroma, just very weak and not very complex.

MOUTH-FEEL 2/10
Surprisingly thick for lacking any sort of louche. The bitterness lingers for a loong time though, which is a major turnoff.

TASTE 3/20
Not as bad as I was expecting. It's slightly less bitter than chewing on raw wormwood. The taste isn't bad when it first hits your tongue, there is some of the floral scent present in the taste. If I were reviewing this as a bitter, it would probably get a moderate score. Classified as an absinthe, though, there are glaring holes in the flavor profile (anise!). As far as scoring goes, since it's lacking 2 of the 3 main ingredients, I don't think it can go higher than 7/20. The wormwood that's there is simple and not very complex, which takes off a point or two, and the fact that it's much more bitter than it's supposed to be takes off a lot.

OVERALL IMPRESSION 1/10
If it weren't for the advertising campaign behind this drink, I would probably take pity on the makers. It doesn't have the best herbs (assuming it uses more than one), and the makers obviously don't know what absinthe is supposed to taste like. As a mislabeled bitter, it's not too bad. Better than Gammel Dansk. But absinthe it ain't.

PERSONAL NOTES
It pains me deeply to say this, but I got some secondaries from this. Keep in mind, though, that I've been known to get secondaries off of arak or beer before.

AndrewT scores King of Spirits Gold 23 out of 100

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 10 2006, 08:33 PM

By the way, thanks alot Hartsmar for the review tool! This is the first review I've done with it, and it makes things so much simpler.

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 10 2006, 08:34 PM

QUOTE(Alyssa Dyane @ Dec 10 2006, 01:23 PM) *

I hope someone was taking pics of the louche action, and herb floating action!


Louche action? You mean dilution process? You give it too much credit.

Posted by: justabob Dec 10 2006, 08:36 PM

QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Nov 6 2006, 01:41 AM) *


5. Within ONE HOUR of tasting - ie, before 9.00pm GMT, you will submit a fully completed Buyers Guide scoresheet to Hartsmar, with your evaluation of the product.



I pm'ed mine to Harts?

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 10 2006, 08:47 PM

King of Spirits Gold


COLOR BEFORE WATER 3

Extremely pale peridot green, with particulate matter in solution, but certainly natural looking enough.


LOUCHE ACTION 2

From the addition of the very first drop of water there was the noticeable beginning of swirling action that was trying to develop into something. The problem was that it went nowhere, with the prepared drink only showing the very slightest trace of a louche, and simply becoming an even paler shade of barely discernable peridot green. I gave it two points for the initial entertainment value.



COLOR AFTER WATER 2

An even more extremely pale shade of peridot green, and 98% translucent, aka basically clear, with just a tincture of color, and still natural looking, hence the two points.


AROMA 2

Little more than some alcohol, a miniscule trace of anise, and a little obviously macerated wormwood come through in the nose, neat. When diluted, this scent dissipated, and became barely detectable.


MOUTHFEEL 1

Water (not even watery about sums it up.


TASTE 1

A little perceptible anise, otherwise, an interminably long, harsh, and highly unpleasant taste, (and aftertaste) of mercilessly bitter, "herb store" wormwood.


OVERALL IMPRESSION 1

This is one sorry excuse for an alleged absinthe, or even absinth. As I recall, even the regular King of Spirits showed a little more character (although that actually made it a little more offensive). Mostly, this is one really bland drink, but what flavor is detectable is just plain crude, and awful. The hilariously absurd price point makes it even more egregiously rotten. The bottom line... this stuff makes Logan Fils seem like PF 1901, by comparison.

Absomphe scores King of Spirits Gold 12

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 10 2006, 08:47 PM

I got it. And I have reviews from Deluge, Selmac and Nepenthes here as well. I'm compiling it all into one GIANT post. Wohooo.

Justabob, you got a PM coming in a minute.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 10 2006, 08:49 PM

Man, that was painful, but I now have a greater appreciation of what you put yourself through on a fairly regular basis! worshippy.gif viking_emoticon.gif

Posted by: peridot Dec 10 2006, 08:53 PM

King of Spirits Gold

Reviewed by peridot 12/10/2006

COLOR BEFORE WATER 5/10
It's paler green in the glass than I expected, with a yellowish tint. It looks natural at least. There's herbs intentionally floating in it, but no sediment otherwise.

LOUCHE ACTION 1/10
Developed the slightest of hazes. Water settled at the bottom, pushing the spirit up and creating the illusion of a real louche until everything just mixed up. Lots of oil swirls but not much comes of it.

COLOR AFTER WATER 2/10
Pathetic. The spirit is almost clear now, with only a slight bit of yellow left.

AROMA 0/30
A zero is a strong statement, but I honestly can't imagine the odor being any more disgusting. It's the weirdest liquor I've ever smelled. It's mostly alcohol. However, there's a mintiness and something that totally turns my stomach. It has a salty, chicken-broth smell. Adding water diminishes that odor but that doesn't redeem it. The smell is now strongly medicinal and minty like a Halls cough drop.

MOUTH-FEEL 2/10
At first it almost fooled me. The first sip yielded a creamy feel for all of half a second and then turned tremendously harsh and biting.

TASTE 0/20
Don't take this as hyperbole. Really imagine this. Imagine the smell of Vicks VapoRub, juniper after a rainshower, and tomcat urine all mixed up. Now imagine that smell as a flavour in your mouth. The bitterness is not as bad as I expected but it is still beyond excessive. The only herb I can identify for certain is wormwood but it's nothing like the wormwood in absinthe, whether distilled or oil mix. It has no woody flavour. The flavour of the alcohol is strong. The bitterness is amplified in the finish. It's like sucking on a penny. There's also the taste of B-vitamins. There is no similarity whatsoever to absinthe. The herbs floating in it are flavourless.

OVERALL IMPRESSION 1/10
I only give it a 1 because the colour isn't offensive, although everything else about it is. This is completely unrelated to absinthe.

PERSONAL NOTES
Many times I've seen consumers of this product regard this product as true absinthe. The way it should be. Absinthe for real men, not that weak stuff produced in France. I don't get it. Is it more tough and manly to drink something horribly unpleasant so that you can swagger and boast that you're the only one who can handle it? Perhaps those who think this is real absinthe should take a look at history. The alleged and much-hyped illegal 100 mg/L chop.gif content has had no appreciable effect on me. That's the one thing that vendors say it has going for it, yet there's nothing there. So if you buy it you're going to be shelling out lots of money for a horrendously bad drink you could easily make at home with some plastic bottle vodka and herbs. So if you want to drink absinthe, get some real absinthe. And if you want to swagger, get some single-malt Scotch. Either way you'll save a few bucks.

peridot scores King of Spirits Gold 11 out of 100

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 10 2006, 08:53 PM

Hartsmar, do you want us to PM you a copy, or can you just grab it from our posts? I don't want to break the rules or nuthin.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 10 2006, 08:56 PM

Break the rules, hell.

I think we should get together, and decide what concoction we choose for Oxy to consume, and review. evill.gif

Posted by: peridot Dec 10 2006, 08:58 PM

Absomphe, I'm a little insulted you'd use my name to describe the green of that stuff. It's more like olive. harhar.gif

Posted by: Gertz Dec 10 2006, 08:58 PM

Review PMed to Hartsmar.

Newsflash: The regular KOS is actually worse than the Gold version.

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 10 2006, 09:01 PM

I'm actually finishing this glass. Like I said, it's not bad for a bitter. I'm not pretending I'm drinking absinthe, but it's not nearly as foul as I expected. It's better than Hills from what I remember of it.

That, and I don't have any real absinthe to follow it up with.

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 10 2006, 09:01 PM

I've copied them all from here, no problem. Glad you like the review tool Andrew!
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Posted by: Absomphe Dec 10 2006, 09:02 PM

QUOTE(peridot @ Dec 10 2006, 01:58 PM) *

Absomphe, I'm a little insulted you'd use my name to describe the green of that stuff. It's more like olive. harhar.gif


Popeye'll get you for that comparison, Peridot! harhar.gif

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 10 2006, 09:03 PM

QUOTE(Gertz @ Dec 10 2006, 01:58 PM) *



Newsflash: The regular KOS is actually worse than the Gold version.


Onacuz it has more taste. poop.gif

Posted by: peridot Dec 10 2006, 09:10 PM

I'm surprised nobody was as offended by the smell as me. It was okay in the little sample vial but in the glass, before water, it was truly horrifying.

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 10 2006, 09:11 PM

Well... Someone's "fashionably late" with turning in his paper...

Ehrm. wink.gif

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 10 2006, 09:19 PM

I'm actually starting to get a headache. I wonder if it's because I'm trying to finish the glass (about halfway through after an hour). Perhaps this has some negative secondary effects.

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 10 2006, 09:22 PM

As long as you're breathing, you're fine.

Posted by: Jaded Prol Dec 10 2006, 09:22 PM

Why torture yourself?








unless you're into that sort of thing . . .

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 10 2006, 09:24 PM

I am, but not this brand of torture.

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 10 2006, 09:28 PM

If I can't make it an aesthetic experience, I at least try to make it ascetic.

Posted by: AndrewT Dec 10 2006, 09:46 PM

QUOTE
On the sides of your tongue, it’s as though a malevolent cockroach is working you over with a piece of sandpaper or perhaps a small file.

(from Absinthesizer's review)

That made my day.

As far as finishing the glass, I added some ouzo to it to make it more drinkable. It now looks like filthy-ass bathwater, and the floaties don't help. I think it's getting sinked soon.

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 10 2006, 09:57 PM

HA HA HA!

I settled for "dry".

Posted by: Absinthesizer Dec 10 2006, 10:03 PM

As a fond adieu to this memorable event:
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Posted by: peridot Dec 10 2006, 10:03 PM

I considered adding some arak to mine, but since there's no woody, distilled wormwood flavour in the KOSG, I figured neither drink would benefit from each other.

Posted by: Hiram Dec 10 2006, 11:35 PM

QUOTE(Gertz @ Dec 10 2006, 01:58 PM) *
Newsflash: The regular KOS is actually worse than the Gold version.
See? KOSG is better. You get what you pay for.

Posted by: ubu Dec 10 2006, 11:46 PM

I hope no one's missing an ear. harhar.gif
Seriously, I have a ton of respect for all of you. I'd be afraid that stuff would turn me away from alcohol altogether.

Posted by: Lord Stanley Dec 10 2006, 11:48 PM

QUOTE(peridot @ Dec 10 2006, 03:53 PM) *

Is it more tough and manly to drink something horribly unpleasant so that you can swagger and boast that you're the only one who can handle it?


Sounds like eating a couple dozen of the "Homicidal" chicken wings that melt your taste buds, tear up your GI tract and shoot flames out your arse the next day just to show that you can do it. fireworks.gif

Posted by: peridot Dec 10 2006, 11:52 PM

Yeah, sorta like that.

And I suppose, like eating atomic wings, some people actually like KOSG. Although I have more respect for those who like the wings. One particular friend of mine claims that he gets a feeling of euphoria from the endorphines released due to the pain. I don't know if he's full of shit or not but it sounds a bit more realistic to me than trippin' balz off of KOSG.

Posted by: Nepenthes Dec 10 2006, 11:59 PM

4 hours, a gyros and several teeth brushing sessions, and I still have the taint in my mouth. I think Oxy was trying to destroy my palate.

Posted by: Lord Stanley Dec 11 2006, 12:00 AM

QUOTE
And I suppose, like eating atomic wings, some people actually like KOSG


I'd rather try eating one of http://www.heartattackgrill.com/quadruple_bypass.htm And the burger looks pretty good too.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 11 2006, 12:26 AM

QUOTE(AndrewT @ Dec 10 2006, 02:28 PM) *

If I can't make it an aesthetic experience, I at least try to make it ascetic.


Well then, why don't you see if the flying monk-eys can't deliver you some more of this nectar.

I mean, you did give it a sterling score of 23, after all, so you must love it! wink.gif

Posted by: Wild Bill Turkey Dec 11 2006, 01:28 AM

QUOTE(peridot @ Dec 10 2006, 02:03 PM) *

there's no woody

Yeah, I doubt anybody was very excited by the KOSG.

But my hat's off to those of you that tried it anyway.

Posted by: peridot Dec 11 2006, 01:32 AM

QUOTE(Lord Stanley @ Dec 10 2006, 06:00 PM) *

I'd rather try eating one of http://www.heartattackgrill.com/quadruple_bypass.htm And the burger looks pretty good too.


That burger looks awesome.

Regarding the KOSG, I've only had iced tea since the appointed tasting and there's no Gold lingering. But the taste, although totally wrong and offensive, is not what almost broke me. The smell is what really made me say, "what have I gotten myself into?"

WBT, so much for the ultimate panty remover. My girlfriend said my KOSG breath was a real turn-off. tongue.gif

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 11 2006, 02:20 AM

QUOTE(Lord Stanley @ Dec 10 2006, 04:48 PM) *


Sounds like eating a couple dozen of the "Homicidal" chicken wings that melt your taste buds, tear up your GI tract and shoot flames out your arse the next day just to show that you can do it. fireworks.gif



In Buffalo, those became known as suicidal wings in the 70s, which was more in keeping with the city slogan, "Buffalo, a Friendly Place".

Posted by: Lord Stanley Dec 11 2006, 04:21 AM

A bar near my college had Suicidal, Homicidal and Disclaimer wings with the gimmick being that they made you sign a disclaimer before serving them to you. I believe the terms included the customer agreeing to wash their hands immediately after eating the wings, definitely before touching any sensitive body parts.

Posted by: sixela Dec 11 2006, 10:07 AM

QUOTE(peridot @ Dec 11 2006, 01:52 AM) *

One particular friend of mine claims that he gets a feeling of euphoria from the endorphines released due to the pain.


I bet he also likes dominating women (or men?) scantily clad in furs.

Posted by: Deluge Dec 11 2006, 03:23 PM

COLOR BEFORE WATER 6/10

The KOSG was a pale green, which looked ok near the top of the glass but the bottom however was full of herbage that should not be in there. I was under the impression that there was supposed to be wormwood in the bottle. All I could find were chunks of fennel, some anis and an assortment of other herb materials. My group gave it a 5-6 since the color was in fact green. A little thin but it was a seemingly natural green.

LOUCHE ACTION 1/10

There were swirls and some bubbles that gave a faint appearance that a louche might start but alas the end result was translucent and oily.


COLOR AFTER WATER 2/10

Although it was still a bit green there was no louche to speak of. The opalescent quality that one looks for in a quality absinthe was defiantly not found in KOSG.

AROMA 4/30

The nose of the KOSG was really harsh. The quality of the spirit was poor and reminiscent of turpentine the only other detectable notes were a faint citrus scent and a lingering Pinesol aroma.

MOUTH-FEEL 1/10

KOSG was oily in the mouth, thin and quite unpleasant.

TASTE 1/20

I have been able to try a lot of absinthes over the years. I have had some of the worst commercials, some of the best artisinals and vice versa. I have been able to try a few vintage absinthes and I have been able to try a few directly out of a still. With that experience I am confidant in saying that KOSG tastes nothing like absinthe.
It was bitter and that’s all. From what I remember of Camargo, the Brazilian absinthe that uses wormwood in the coloring, there were some similarities but it was in the end even better than KOSG.

OVERALL IMPRESSION 2/10

This “absinth” is a product of flagrant false advertising that aims dupe the uninformed
into thinking that they are 1. going to have a chop.gif induced drug like experience. 2. going to drink real absinthe 3. get what they paid for. After drinking KOSG I will say that there is no altered effect. It is not absinthe, far from it. Finally, there is absolutely no reason an unpleasant oily drink made with fennel seeds a bark dust should cost this much.

PERSONAL NOTES

When I took the first sip of KOSG there was an audible groan that arose from my stomach!!!

If I had to pick a top 5 worst absinthe list it would be. 5. Hapsburg Red Label 4. Hills 3. Camargo 2. Grune Fee 1. KOSG


Total 17

Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 11 2006, 03:40 PM

Absinthesizer's review cracked me up.

Posted by: Absinthesizer Dec 11 2006, 04:34 PM

Thanks, DD. I confess that, although drinking KOSG was a dreadful experience, writing about it was a lot of fun.

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Posted by: fryke Dec 11 2006, 05:05 PM

I think you all got the totally wrong impression about the harshness of the alcohol. You should add water _until_ it louches. My guess is that when it finally _does_ louche, there's not much alcohol left to do any harm. You'd probably end up with drinkable water.

Posted by: Lord Stanley Dec 11 2006, 05:18 PM

QUOTE(Deluge @ Dec 11 2006, 10:23 AM) *

I was under the impression that there was supposed to be wormwood in the bottle. All I could find were chunks of fennel, some anis and an assortment of other herb materials.


Perhaps the makers felt that macerating wormwood in the bottle would make it taste bitter.

Posted by: Steyr850 Dec 11 2006, 05:18 PM

QUOTE
You'd probably end up with drinkable water



Back to origin.

Posted by: Lord Stanley Dec 11 2006, 05:21 PM

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 11 2006, 10:40 AM) *

Absinthesizer's review cracked me up.


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Posted by: The Standard Deviant Dec 11 2006, 07:11 PM

QUOTE(fryke @ Dec 11 2006, 06:05 PM) *

I think you all got the totally wrong impression about the harshness of the alcohol. You should add water _until_ it louches. My guess is that when it finally _does_ louche, there's not much alcohol left to do any harm. You'd probably end up with drinkable water.


Unless you believe in homeopathy, where dilution makes something stronger.

Posted by: fryke Dec 12 2006, 09:53 AM

Yet another reason to dilute it 'til it's properly louched (away). wink.gif

Posted by: traineraz Dec 21 2006, 06:01 PM

Question:

I was flipping thru the Czechsinths yesterday, and I found several rated LOWER than KOS or KOSG. 8s and 9s.

Do tell . . . how could such a thing happen? Is there actually WORSE than KOSG?! shock.gif

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 21 2006, 06:45 PM

For the umpteenth time...

Elixier.

I'd nominate that as one of the worst beverages of all time.

Posted by: Wild Bill Turkey Dec 21 2006, 07:05 PM

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I drank turpentine to get the taste of the Elixier out of my mouth.
I'm always worried that it will eat through the bottle glass and release noxious fumes into my home while I'm away. I should just throw it out, but it's kind of like keeping a cyanide pill in your teeth for emergencies.

Posted by: Provenance Dec 21 2006, 07:07 PM

Or you could start keeping a cyanide pill between your teeth in case the bottle breaks.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 21 2006, 07:08 PM

And while the color isn't natural, it gives away no hint of the of the horrible torture that awaits those foolhardy enough to sample its wretched contents. Zombie3.gif

Posted by: Provenance Dec 21 2006, 07:08 PM

Since the label says Fee Verte's Elixier, should I assume that it is the official absinth of this forum?

Posted by: hartsmar Dec 21 2006, 07:42 PM

Trainer, the color of KOSG is really quite ok. The aroma is decent, especially compared to most other czechsinths.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 22 2006, 06:01 PM

QUOTE(Provenance @ Dec 21 2006, 12:08 PM) *

Since the label says Fee Verte's Elixier, should I assume that it is the official absinth of this forum?


Um, no, but since you're a forum member, it can be your official absinth, if you'd like to have it recognized as such.

Posted by: OCvertDe Feb 9 2008, 02:26 PM

Much as I hate to be responsible for bumping a thread that's been dead for so long:

THIS TOPIC OWNS! I haven't laughed so much in recent memory. Classic!

Posted by: Wilson Feb 9 2008, 03:47 PM

I agree. The bravery of this group of heroes that were willing to "take one for the team" just brings a tear to my eye. I doubt it will ever make you famous, but you are now infamous.

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Posted by: Absinthesizer Feb 9 2008, 04:34 PM

We prefer the term "notorious." abs-cheers.gif

Posted by: Absomphe Feb 9 2008, 04:53 PM

This nostalgic bump has made me thirsty for one more delicious, savory glass.

Oh well, there doesn't seem to be any on hand, too bad.


Posted by: Wilson Feb 9 2008, 05:18 PM

Lucky you. biggrin.gif

Posted by: G&C Feb 9 2008, 05:31 PM

Lucky us.

Posted by: Absomphe Feb 9 2008, 06:13 PM

Hey, buddy, you wouldn't be intimating that if I "louched" up a glass of that sumptuous, t-bone laden nectar that I become hostile, or abusive, now would you?

Onacuz that never happens. abs-cheers.gif

Posted by: G&C Feb 9 2008, 08:02 PM

I never said that.

Posted by: EdouardPerneau Mar 29 2008, 07:11 PM

Oxy haden't made a review yet ? He brought a bottle and don't even drink it blink.gif maybe he was waiting to see if the guinea pig (aka The Chosen™) dies

Posted by: Oxygenee Mar 29 2008, 08:07 PM

I'm more of a "behind the scenes" person.


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Posted by: Grim Mar 29 2008, 08:20 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf3KG8VAtJg&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ4xsxQSarc&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKnnY6vdT6w&feature=related

Posted by: Grim Mar 29 2008, 08:31 PM

That's too bad really. You should post more.

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