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The Fée Verte Absinthe Forum - The Oldest, Largest, Most Authoritative Absinthe Forum. _ The Hall of Fame _ Don Walsh

Posted by: Oxygenee Oct 29 2006, 09:58 AM

Post your favourite Don Walsh memories here NOW, or you'll get a bottle of Blue Label up the...

Posted by: Oxygenee Oct 29 2006, 01:51 PM

http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/16/1087.html is one of the great Don Walsh threads, and the one that gave rise to the immortal:

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watch me shove a liter bottle of Blue Label up your ass and give you an enema you'll never recover from, you pasty faced Brit closet case cocksucker.


http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/16/1087.html.

Posted by: Oxygenee Oct 29 2006, 02:03 PM

What's distressing, is I can't find the original post that gave rise to that other great classic Walshism:

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you couldn't get laid in a Thai whorehouse with a hundred dollar bill wrapped around your woody.

Posted by: Nymphadora Oct 29 2006, 07:49 PM

Damn it! All this time I thought he was a member of The Eagles.

Posted by: traineraz Oct 30 2006, 05:40 PM

QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Oct 29 2006, 07:03 AM) *

What's distressing, is I can't find the original post that gave rise to that other great classic Walshism:

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you couldn't get laid in a Thai whorehouse with a hundred dollar bill wrapped around your woody.


Given his current career, I imagine he'd know.

Damn, what happened to the Wabbit?

Posted by: Lord Stanley Oct 30 2006, 05:50 PM

That thought had crossed my mind as well.

Posted by: bob_chong Oct 31 2006, 06:28 PM

Here is the dust-up between Absintheur and Don. Ted is involved, too. But as far as I knew, this is when Absintheur quit for good (unless someone remembers him coming back after that).

http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/16/563.html

Or does this belong in the Hall of Flame thread?

Posted by: Oxygenee Oct 31 2006, 08:01 PM

For what it's worth, without making any judgement on Don's...er..robust debating style, he and Ted were - on the facts - absolutely in the right as far as this particular argument went.

Did Absintheur ever reregister under another name? And is he still among us?

Posted by: Donnie Darko Oct 31 2006, 08:14 PM

That seems pretty mild as far as flame standards set by Don go.

Reading that thread back when I was a lurker, I comprehended next to none of it and basically skimmed it, wondering what Don and Ted were so uptight about.

Now I'm reading it and realize Absintheur was full of shit, and Don and Ted weren't.

Posted by: bob_chong Oct 31 2006, 08:36 PM

Yeah, it's not really flaming at all, but it is definitely a lot of very long posts from Don & Ted. No one else even jumped in. Too busy gawking, I guess. Those types of discussions are long gone.

Posted by: traineraz Oct 31 2006, 09:02 PM

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By Absintheur on Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 10:29 am: Edit


Given the circmstances of this post, I'm closing my account under this name. Goodbye all.


Still around? O, I don't know. His style seems vaguely familiar.

Did anyone else appear within a couple of months with a similar approach to debate? That is, vehemently argue the same point endlessly, no matter what contradictions arise?

Most of the Don Walsh postings I've read did not demonstrate this level of eloquence or intellect. Most of what I recall seeing was vulgar and, as Absintheur mentioned, bullying. This puts Don in a whole different context for me.

This thread did not seem bullying by comparison, but filled with indignation at assertions being made. Actually, I'm surprised Don DIDN'T slide into name-calling and suggestions of what Absintheur might do with a bottle of Cousin Jeune, should he find it.

I don't recall ever seeing reference to Absinthes Hygienique before. Seems like an appropriate choice for a rinse, no?

Incidentally . . . it seems, in spite of O-thers' assertions here and there, that Ted has indeed been pretty consistent from year to year. I don't see anything here that he'd not repeat today.

Posted by: Le Gimp Oct 31 2006, 10:01 PM

If he had made the discovery that Antimony trichloride was used by such and such a manufacturer and had documentation to corriborate the assertion, would it have given vlaidity to it being an acceptable component of absinthe?

No, no more than his assertion that wormwood is not a necessary component has validity.

And, yes, Don was quite mild in that thread.

I arrived before Don left, and at first did not understand a lot of what went on. Fortunatly I had the good sense to keep my mouth shut and just lurk for a long time.

Posted by: bob_chong Nov 1 2006, 01:29 AM

Don was a wealth of information on distilling. He actively discouraged people from HG, which was wise. That's not to say that HGers are foolish, but he stressed safety concerns and made certain that this is a dangerous activity that shouldn't be taken up lightly.

Don also was a genius at discerning things about international affairs, since he was plugged into a whole different miltary intelligence community than we are privy to. Certainly, he was right-wing, which was to the chagrin of 99% of the membership here (which was, is, and will always be primarily liberal). But he knew stuff about Asia and the ME that shed a different light. I would love to hear his take on current affairs now.

Posted by: Donnie Darko Nov 1 2006, 12:39 PM

I certainly would too. I don't care whether someone is left or right wing, I just want them to be intelligent, and Don certainly was that (except for lacking any sense of diplomacy...).

Posted by: Artemis Nov 2 2006, 03:03 AM

A lot of what you see in this forum is the tip of the iceberg. A lot goes on under the surface. With a lot of these wars where public post followed public post, the private emails that flew back and forth and multiplied among the public participants, and sometimes among people who weren't taking part publicly, tell the REST of the story and/or put everything into context. I was corresponding with both Don and Absintheur during that particular argument (and maybe with Ted, I don't remember, but I knew what Ted had to say through Don). The whole thing was easier to understand if one were privy in that way.

Ted has indeed been remarkably consistent from day one - I've been saying that for years.

Don and Ted were for the most part on the correct side in that argument, as Oxy pointed out.

Don could be a bully, vulgar, funny, profound, all of that. His private communications were nothing short of amazing, and more like that thread than his insulting or vulgar or bully threads.

Absintheur resigned because Don used his (Absintheur's) true name in a public post without warning. Whether he ever came back under another name, I can't say. My assumption has always been, not.

Posted by: justabob Nov 2 2006, 07:09 AM

QUOTE(Artemis @ Nov 1 2006, 08:03 PM) *

Ted has indeed been remarkably consistent from day one - I've been saying that for years.


Regardless of what one thinks of the man or his absinthe, the above statement is most certainly true.

Posted by: bob_chong Nov 30 2006, 04:15 PM

"I'm a journalist (quite a ranking one in fact) and I'm somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun, with a degree from the Genghis Khan School of Foreign Service thrown in. My pal Fred Reed is a syndicated columnist, and he makes me look like a namby pamby pinko." --http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/4672/5267.html#



Posted by: bob_chong Nov 30 2006, 04:18 PM

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And you, sirrahy, are a wet behind the ears college kid who wouldn't know evil if it bit you on the knobby.

Spend some time in the real world, son, and you will get to see some evil. Sit in my vantage in Thailand and dare to fucking lecture ME about Vietnam, arrogant puppy.

You want to condone the killing of a journalist to produce a propaganda tape, and it's you I'd call evil. Why don't you call Pearl's wife and tell her that her husband's butchers are morally equivalent to the United States in the Indochina war?

In short -- fuck you. Ignorant snot!


http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/4672/5320.html

(BTW, I'm not even looking for these. That's just how Don rolls.)

Posted by: Provenance Nov 30 2006, 06:07 PM

Will they be serving PF 1901 at Chateau Jade?

Posted by: Donnie Darko Nov 30 2006, 07:04 PM

I suspect what is served there is much, much, much younger.

Posted by: Provenance Nov 30 2006, 07:26 PM

Indeed.

Posted by: bob_chong Nov 30 2006, 07:34 PM

Younger than 105, sure. But Don isn't into whatever you may be insinuating. Check out his website.

Posted by: Provenance Nov 30 2006, 07:54 PM

Or make an appointment to stop on by to receive a little "education".

Posted by: Barsnake Nov 30 2006, 09:22 PM

*sniff*

what a trip down memory lane...

Posted by: Donnie Darko Nov 30 2006, 09:25 PM

QUOTE(bob_chong @ Nov 30 2006, 03:34 PM) *

Younger than 105, sure. But Don isn't into whatever you may be insinuating. Check out his website.


I didn't honestly think he was into 14 year old meth addicts, which is commonplace in Thailand, though when someone mentions sex shops in Thailand, it's often assumed they're underage, as many of them are. I was just joking around, though Colonel Kurtz probably wouldn't find it funny.

This from the website is obviously up the alley of an ex CIA guy:
"Interrogations? We know how to make you talk...
No matter what your fetish, regardless of your kink, we probably have been there, and we more than likely have done that. "

If their waterboarding involves absinthe, sign me up!

Posted by: bob_chong Aug 22 2007, 01:04 AM

Don as Radomil Hill:
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Posted by: bob_chong Aug 22 2007, 01:09 AM

Here's a classic thread, started by Absintheur (BTW, does he lurk here?), where he shits upon vintage absinthe. It just gets better from there.

Remember: read from the bottom first! The old forum put newest posts at the top.

http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/16/366.html

Posted by: eric Aug 22 2007, 01:53 AM

Thanks for finding that one Bob.

I think it provides interesting background reading for my artificial "colour" thread.


Posted by: bob_chong Aug 22 2007, 04:17 AM

Oxy--I found the thread with your favorite Don quote.

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You couldn't get laid in a Shanghai brothel with a $1000 bill wrapped around your knobbie.


http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/16/671.html

The whole paragraph:

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I was never much into killing women and kids, cocksucker. But I would make an exception in the case of yours, if I thought you had the cojones to have any. As that is clearly impossible -- even heroin addicted HIV positive slum dwellers have some minimal standards -- I'll have to forego the pleasure of bleeding them in front of you. Because they don't exist. Dickless, ball-less twerp that you are. You couldn't get laid in a Shanghai brothel with a $1000 bill wrapped around your knobbie.



Posted by: jonathan_carfax Nov 11 2007, 07:22 AM

I had the pleasure of dropping in on Don in BKK around Christmas last year on my way back from Hanoi.

We had a pleasurable evening watching B-grade science fiction over….Scotch…(the ol' pre-Jade still is packed up).

Unfortunately no slinky Thai doms in cat suits strutting around the house this time blink.gif

Posted by: sixela Nov 12 2007, 12:45 AM

QUOTE(eric @ Aug 22 2007, 02:53 AM) *

Thanks for finding that one Bob.

I think it provides interesting background reading for my artificial "colour" thread.


I see you've joined the imperial forces and have had your spelling brainwashing.


Posted by: The Standard Deviant Nov 12 2007, 01:40 AM

Couleur est-il?

Posted by: traineraz Nov 13 2007, 05:06 PM

QUOTE(jonathan_carfax @ Nov 10 2007, 11:22 PM) *
Unfortunately no slinky Thai doms in cat suits strutting around the house this time blink.gif

I didn't know Don was running a brothel for furries. blink.gif

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Dec 6 2007, 04:31 AM

QUOTE(justabob @ Nov 1 2006, 11:09 PM) *

QUOTE(Artemis @ Nov 1 2006, 08:03 PM) *

Ted has indeed been remarkably consistent from day one - I've been saying that for years.


Regardless of what one thinks of the man or his absinthe, the above statement is most certainly true.


Oh, please. Only those who have not been paying ANY attention for the last seven years or more, can say that.

Let me quote what I posted on the subject years ago.

A little historical data and then I yield the podium to the Forum experts.

Chemists may have had problems measuring thujone', but nobody can seriously say that they couldn't measure the volume of essential oil extracted from an herb. Pernod tells us that their finished absinthe had 150 ppm of essential oil of wormwood. How much thoojone is that?

As per TABREAUX, June 2000:

"FWIW according to Sacco and Cialva (1988), oil of Artemisia absinthium typically is comprised (w/w) of 59.9% alpha and 2.3% beta, which equals 62.2% total. "

So it's 150ppm x .62 = 93 ppm (or mg/Kg)


93 mg/Kg coincides nicely with what Don Walsh (Ted's distiller) said in 2000:

"The EU allows absinthe of commerce to contain up to 10 mg/Kg -- equivalent to parts per million -- which is mild compared to the estimated 60-90 mg/Kg of premium Belle Epoch absinthes. "


This coincides also with what Ted had found about levels of thoojone in vintage absinthes, over many years of research and several analyses:

On June 5, 2000, TABREAUX said:

"Using every bit of information I've processed over the past seven years, my calculations indicate that quality original Pontarlier labels contained anywhere from 50-100mg/kg total thoojone. "

http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/16/138.html

Since they were making a faithful reproduction of Pernod, what levels of thoojone could we expect in Jade? Lets see what Don revealed on June 5, 2000:

"Yes, pre-ban Pernod was probably close to 100 mg/Kg. As we are preparing to market a (non-EU compliant) authentic recreation of Pernod, and as we have the original pre-ban products to comapre it to, our product will be in the 90 mg/Kg class."

http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/16/138.html

Of course they put 90mg/Kg, since TABREAUX declared in June 18, 2000

"Granted, a product with little thoojone is generally representative of a poorly crafted, non-authentic product,"


http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/16/42.html

But now, Feb. 8, 2004, Ted thinks different:

"If the concentrate is a properly distilled product, it will contain only a very tiny concentration of , and certainly nowhere near 100 mg/kg!! "


Excuse me? Jade's Authentic Pernod Absinthe, in 2000, had 90mg/kg of thoojone' but Jade's Authentic Pernod Absinthe, in 2004, has next to none. Will the authentic Authentic Pernod Absinthe please stand up? They cannot BOTH be authentic, you know.

Could it be that Ted is so horrendously incompetent as a researcher and a chemist that he spent 7 years researching and analysing vintage absinthes and only could come up with results that are wrong by a factor of TWENTY!

No way. Ted is a very competent chemist. And the numbers he posted on June 5, 2000 (50-100 mg/Kg) are the REAL numbers for thoojone' in vintage absinthe.

Don mentioned 90mg/Kg in Jade, not because he wanted to lure the "get-me-high" crowd, but because 90mg/Kg is what you get WHEN YOU MAKE AUTHENTIC ABSINTHE. Not a good or bad number, just what it is.

Were they bullshiting us in 2000 or are they bullshitting us now?

So what has actually changed in the last four years: the chemical composicion of vintage absinthe…or Jade's marketing plans?

< 10 mg/Kg = European Market Open > 10 mg/Kg = European Market Closed

You have to reach your own conclusions. Phil's indignation, though poorly expressed, is valid. This is an historical travesty. They are trying to sell us Premium Absente as Authentic Absinthe.

The history and the very essence of absinthe are being changed under our very noses.

Anyway, let's finish this post with a funny note. According to Ted on June 5, 2000, those who buy the new "thoojone-free" Jade looking for secondaries are shit-out-of-luck, because Ted thinks that:

"I do agree that I feel that thoojone is not the only player in the secondary effects, although I'm convinced it plays an important role. "



A little historical data and then I yield the podium to the Forum experts.

Chemists may have had problems measuring thujone', but nobody can seriously say that they couldn't measure the volume of essential oil extracted from an herb. Pernod tells us that their finished absinthe had 150ppm of essential oil of wormwood. How much thujone' is that?

As per TABREAUX, June 2000:

"FWIW according to Sacco and Cialva (1988), oil of Artemisia absinthium typically is comprised (w/w) of 59.9% alpha and 2.3% beta, which equals 62.2% total. "

So it's 150ppm x .62 = 93 ppm (or mg/Kg)


93 mg/Kg coincides nicely with what Don Walsh (Ted's distiller) said in 2000:

"The EU allows absinthe of commerce to contain up to 10 mg/Kg -- equivalent to parts per million -- which is mild compared to the estimated 60-90 mg/Kg of premium Belle Epoch absinthes. "


This coincides also with what Ted had found about levels of thujone in vintage absinthes, over many years of research and several analyses:

On June 5, 2000, TABREAUX said:

"Using every bit of information I've processed over the past seven years, my calculations indicate that quality original Pontarlier labels contained anywhere from 50-100mg/kg total thujone. "

http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/16/138.html

Since they were making a faithful reproduction of Pernod, what levels of thujone could we expect in Jade? Lets see what Don revealed on June 5, 2000

"Yes, pre-ban Pernod was probably close to 100 mg/Kg. As we are preparing to market a (non-EU compliant) authentic recreation of Pernod, and as we have the original pre-ban products to comapre it to, our product will be in the 90 mg/Kg class."

http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/16/138.html

Of course they put 90mg/Kg, since TABREAUX declared in June 18, 2000

"Granted, a product with little thujone is generally representative of a poorly crafted, non-authentic product,"


http://www.feeverte.net/archive/messages/16/42.html


But now, Feb. 8, 2004, Ted thinks different:

"If the concentrate is a properly distilled product, it will contain only a very tiny concentration of , and certainly nowhere near 100 mg/kg!! "


Excuse me? Jade's Authentic Absinthe, in 2000, had 90mg/kg of thujone'. Jade's Authentic Absinthe, in 2004, has next to none. Will the authentic Authentic Absinthe please stand up? They cannot BOTH be authentic, you know.

Could it be that Ted is so horrendously incompetent as a researcher and a chemist that he spent 7 years researching and analysing vintage absinthes and only could come up with results that are wrong by a factor of TWENTY!

No way. Ted is a very competent chemist. And the numbers he posted on June 5, 2000 (50-100 mg/Kg) are the REAL numbers for thujone' in vintage absinthe.

Don mentioned 90mg/Kg in Jade, not because he wanted to lure the "get-me-high" crowd, but because 90mg/Kg is what you get WHEN YOU MAKE AUTHENTIC ABSINTHE. Not a good or bad number, just what it is.

Were they bullshiting us in 2000 or are they bullshitting us now?

So what has actually changed in the last four years: The chemical composicion of vintage absinthe…or Jade's marketing plans?

< 10 mg/Kg = European Market Open > 10 mg/Kg = European Market Closed

You have to reach your own conclusions. Phil's indignation, though poorly expressed, is valid. This is an historical travesty. They are trying to sell us Premium Absente as Authentic Absinthe.

The history and the very essence of absinthe are being changed under our very noses.

Anyway, let's finish this post with a funny note. According to Ted on June 5, 2000, those who buy "thujone-free" Jade looking for secondaries are shit-out-of-luck, because:

"I do agree that I feel that thujone is not the only player in the secondary effects, although I'm convinced it plays an important role. "

Posted by: traineraz Dec 6 2007, 04:45 AM

Once again, properly distill a wormwood maceration and demonstrate the high-thujone result.

Thanks.

Posted by: crosby Dec 6 2007, 08:03 AM

In other words:


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Posted by: eric Dec 6 2007, 12:52 PM

There was no need to post all of that twice.



I really cannot see where any of it supports your accusations.



Oh and by the way, Hello Dr, O!

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Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 6 2007, 04:06 PM

He's BAAAAAAAAACK!

Welcome Dr O, always good to see you here.

I could explain the several fallacies in your argument, but that would spoil the fun, so I'll let it ride for a while…


Posted by: traineraz Dec 6 2007, 05:25 PM

QUOTE(crosby @ Dec 6 2007, 12:03 AM) *

In other words:

Where the fuck do you FIND this stuff!?

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 6 2007, 06:10 PM

It's probably best not to ask.

Posted by: Spoon Dec 6 2007, 06:16 PM

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yammer yammer… blah blah…

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Posted by: thegreenimp Dec 6 2007, 06:41 PM

For newer members of Fee Verte.


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Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 6 2007, 06:48 PM

I don't see what is inconsistent about anything Ted said there. When something was an estimate, he said it was an estimate. An estimate is not the same thing as actual measured t-jone content. He did make an error in his estimates, but anyone scientifically inclined is generally happy about making errors in their estimates, since when actual testing reveals those errors, that's how scientific discoveries are born!

You are criticizing Ted for approaching this scientifically, rather than just accepting everything based on calculated estimates only, as you and stupid Dr. Arnold apparently have done.

You are a word that rhymes with betarded.

Posted by: thegreenimp Dec 6 2007, 06:59 PM

A little blast from the past of Dr. O, aka Yammering Nattering Nutjob.


Ordinaire's comments on the modern Pernod absinthe from Pernod-Ricard:

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A few comments from the archives on Ordiniare's skills:

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Ordinaire get's nailed by Marc Campbell

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All you are, and all you will ever be Ordinaire, is a joke.

Posted by: speedle Dec 6 2007, 07:09 PM

Oh, thegreenimp, that is totally cruel. blink.gif

Who knew?


Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 6 2007, 08:02 PM

The L'Absinthe Rend Fou people have made me appreciate the good ol' days with Dr O even more…

Posted by: sixela Dec 7 2007, 12:12 AM

QUOTE(thegreenimp @ Dec 6 2007, 07:41 PM) *

For newer members of Fee Verte.


There's no need to bring that up. His broken record is entertaining in its own right.


Posted by: Absomphe Dec 7 2007, 01:46 AM

Everything Old is new again! LARS!.gif

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Dec 7 2007, 06:29 AM

One would imagine that, in the big scheme of things, it is far less important when a lowly Hausgemachter makes a coloring mistake than when a professional chemist misses his chop.gif target by 100 mg/Kg. Especially when his "misses" coincide with his marketing strategies…

But then, what would the Forum be without the Teddie Boys…?

Posted by: traineraz Dec 7 2007, 06:37 AM

QUOTE(speedle @ Dec 6 2007, 11:09 AM) *

Oh, thegreenimp, that is totally cruel. blink.gif

Who knew?

Only everyone who's been around here more than about 6 months.

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Dec 7 2007, 06:50 AM

I particularly enjoy the usual suspects trying to "immunize" the newbies against me.

Goddess forbid that they read what I say and go:"… hey, wait a minute…" and exercise some critical thinking.

BTW, sorry for the double post, not intentional.

Posted by: sixela Dec 7 2007, 09:00 AM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 7 2007, 07:29 AM) *

One would imagine that, in the big scheme of things, it is far less important when a lowly Hausgemachter makes a coloring mistake than when a professional chemist misses his chop.gif target by 100 mg/Kg.


Yeah, when he assumed all of the chop.gif present in essential oils would transfer, he made an incorrect assumption. Given that estimate wasn't arrived at through measuring, though, his qualifications as a chemist were irrelevant.

Let me get this straight - when you fuck up, you should stick to your story for as long as possible, because otherwise someone might harp on your original fuck-up or claim sinister motives for your changed opinion? Is that the underlying subtext?

Figures. The only thing that doesn't fit the picture is you admitting to a colouring mistake.


Posted by: sixela Dec 7 2007, 09:02 AM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 7 2007, 07:50 AM) *

exercise some critical thinking.


Uhm - Dr. O, "critical thinking" is usually something you apply to your own thinking, not that of others wink.gif. I don't think we need lessons from you on that.



Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 7 2007, 09:10 AM

Here's a question to ponder Dr O:
Do you think the process of extraction of essential oils is functionally identical to the distillation of absinthe?

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Dec 7 2007, 09:38 AM

First, my esteemed Monsieur Oxy, I will tell you why I am not the right person to answer your question.

I have NO chemistry background.

Ever since absinthe, though, I have tried to learn. Unlike the usual run of teddie bears, who have no idea of what they are talking about. There's some good coming of this thread, they may learn something.

Regarding your specific question, the answer is no. Extracting essencial oils of, for example, eucaliptus, is not functionally identical to the distillation of absinthe.

Posted by: sixela Dec 7 2007, 09:43 AM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 7 2007, 10:38 AM) *

Regarding your specific question, the answer is no. Extracting essencial oils of, for example, eucaliptus, is not functionally identical to the distillation of absinthe.

That was not the gist of the question (but thanks for dodging). I'll rephrase: do you think distillation of (amonst others) macerated Artemisia absinthium delivers the same chemical compounds from the A.a. into an absinthe distillate as essential oil extraction of A.a. does into the essential oil?

Posted by: mthuilli Dec 7 2007, 09:52 AM

I love fridays.

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Dec 7 2007, 10:02 AM


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That was not the gist of the question (but thanks for dodging). I'll rephrase: do you think distillation of (amonst others) macerated Artemisia absinthium delivers the same chemicals from the A.a. into an absinthe distillate as essential oil extraction of A.a. does into the essential oil?
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And I'll rephrase myself: what the fuck is an English major like you paraphraseing chemistry stuff?

"…delivering the same chemicals…" blah, blah, blah…

Who are you and Oxy parroting for?

Posted by: Oxygenee Dec 7 2007, 10:15 AM

You might also want to ponder the meaning of the words "fractional distillation"…

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Dec 7 2007, 10:25 AM

Oh, c'mon, Oxy… how much chemistry you want me learn…

Absinthe was CREATED by a humble country doctor, using the herbs around him, and the alcohol he could distill.

Many, MANY years later, some people (like Pernod and Ted Breaux) will forget that and decide to make money out of Nature's bounty.

Fine, their deal. Not for all of us, but still respectable.

Posted by: sixela Dec 7 2007, 01:02 PM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 7 2007, 11:25 AM) *

Oh, c'mon, Oxy… how much chemistry you want me learn…

Absinthe was CREATED by a humble country doctor, using the herbs around him, and the alcohol he could distill.


Yeah, and he didn't give a hoot about t-jones because he wasn't a chemist, while you seem to have developed quite an obsession.

Some people these days care about the amount of chop.gif simply because of legislation, not because it's something particularly important.


Posted by: thegreenimp Dec 7 2007, 02:20 PM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 7 2007, 12:29 AM) *

One would imagine that, in the big scheme of things, it is far less important when a lowly Hausgemachter makes a coloring mistake


Tell everyone how many years you spent trying to justify your mistake, with the endless absinthe is bitter posts.

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His coloring step is fucked and you can tell him I said so.

Cheers Don


Ordinaire, the universal joke

Posted by: speedle Dec 7 2007, 02:58 PM

QUOTE(traineraz @ Dec 7 2007, 01:37 AM) *
QUOTE(speedle @ Dec 6 2007, 11:09 AM) *

Oh, thegreenimp, that is totally cruel. blink.gif

Who knew?

Only everyone who's been around here more than about 6 months.


I was being sarcastic. But thanks for your input.

Posted by: eric Dec 7 2007, 05:25 PM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 7 2007, 03:38 AM) *
I have NO chemistry background.





Then what qualifies you to accuse a professional chemist such as Ted of lying about the chemistry of Absinthe?


Posted by: sixela Dec 7 2007, 05:34 PM

What? You mean a conspiracy theory is not enough these days?

It's the internets, after all…

Posted by: eric Dec 7 2007, 05:45 PM

I forgot, Dr. O has "amazing powers of observation" that none of us mere mortals posses.

Posted by: traineraz Dec 7 2007, 05:46 PM

QUOTE(sixela @ Dec 7 2007, 09:34 AM) *

What? You mean a conspiracy theory is not enough these days?

It's the internets, after all…

Technically, isn't it a conspiracy hypothesis?

Posted by: thegreenimp Dec 7 2007, 07:21 PM

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I forgot, Dr. O has "amazing powers of observation" that none of us mere mortals posses.


Like Ordinaire's observation that crappy modern Pernod absinthe, would set the standard for absinthe:
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Ordinaire, tell us all again how the inferior Pernod oil mix is the standard for absinthe.

Ordinaire, too stupid to live.


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Posted by: Donnie Darko Dec 7 2007, 08:50 PM

Dr. O was correct that Ted's early estimates on Tjone content were wrong, but that has nothing to do with the point Dr. O is trying to make (I have no idea what the point is he is trying to make).

EVERY estimate of Tjone content of vintage absinthe was wrong, prior to proper Tjone measurements of correctly distilled absinthe. I haven't seen a single estimate by any qualified person that ever was accurately close to actual Tjone measurements. That's why it's necessary to do the actual tests.

L'Artisinale had some of the most prominent wormwood of any modern absinthe, and also had one of the lowest measured Tjone quantities. Put that in your stupid pipe and smoke it.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 7 2007, 08:59 PM

Gee, I guess it wasn't real absinthe, then, so score another one for Dr. 0…wink wink nudge nudge. wacko.gif

Posted by: eric Dec 7 2007, 11:05 PM

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L'Artisinale had some of the most prominent wormwood of any modern absinthe, and also had one of the lowest measured Thujone quantities.


And it was made by a "lowly Hausgemachter".


Posted by: traineraz Dec 8 2007, 07:18 AM

Y'all are making bunny Ron Paul cry.

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Posted by: crosby Dec 8 2007, 09:49 AM

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Posted by: mthuilli Dec 8 2007, 10:00 AM

God no, I don't!

Posted by: eric Dec 8 2007, 12:37 PM

The funniest picture of Zman yet.

Posted by: crosby Dec 8 2007, 11:37 PM

I thought he looked familiar.

Posted by: traineraz Dec 9 2007, 06:00 AM

<snort>

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Dec 12 2007, 08:01 AM

Personal attacks don't count. I assume most reasonable people agree on that.

OK. So how many posts have refuted my arguments and how many have attacked me personally?

I rest my case.

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Dec 12 2007, 08:22 AM

I have to add something, and it's going to be my last post for a while.

Some of us did something. We were aware about absinthe before most. We risked our own ignorance (as in blowing up the kitchen… or using A. absinthium the wrong way). We risked the law (that in the US is insanely harsh against Hausgemachters.) And, as I've learned, we risked the ridicule of those whose largest contribution to absinthe was buying some commercial product.

I don't expect those of you who have never seen the first, crystalline drop out of the alembic to understand us.

Just please shut up.

Posted by: Head_prosthesis Dec 12 2007, 08:30 AM

Yeah! You bunch'a armchair experts!

Posted by: sixela Dec 12 2007, 10:55 AM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 12 2007, 09:01 AM) *

I rest my case.


Good.

Now that you have been convinced that any rational being reading the thread will necessarilt be convinced by the strength of your arguments, I assume it is no longer necessary to add anything.

By the way, you assume too much - especially when you think that people disagreeing with you have never seen distillate drip out of a still (although I expect a PM calling me an idiot for not noticing it actually doesn't drip straight from the still - got me there).

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 12 2007, 04:16 PM

QUOTE(Head_prosthesis @ Dec 12 2007, 12:30 AM) *

Yeah! You bunch'a armchair experts!


I loves me da look o' dem Mission Morris chairs, but a good ole antique rocker wins out for comfort, any day! LARS!.gif

Posted by: traineraz Dec 12 2007, 04:43 PM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 12 2007, 12:01 AM) *

Personal attacks don't count. I assume most reasonable people agree on that.

OK. So how many posts have refuted my arguments and how many have attacked me personally?

I rest my case.

When's the last time you put forth an evidence-supported argument instead of a bizarre conspiracy-theory rant and pile of insults, calling everyone here (even Cros) a "Teddite" and an idiot for thinking preban absinthe wasn't horribly bitter?

I rest my case.

Posted by: thegreenimp Dec 12 2007, 08:13 PM

After watching Ordinaire attack just about anyone on Fee Verte since his arrival, his crying rings as hollow as his phony rants.

Ordinaire assumes too much, and is still a joke.

Posted by: traineraz Dec 12 2007, 10:00 PM

End of Story™

Posted by: G&C Dec 13 2007, 12:17 AM

Never ending™.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 13 2007, 03:24 AM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 12 2007, 12:22 AM) *

Just please shut up.


Mirror mirror on the wall

O can't stop gazing at you at all… can he?

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Dec 14 2007, 09:35 PM



By the way, you assume too much - especially when you think that people disagreeing with you have never seen distillate drip out of a still (although I expect a PM calling me an idiot for not noticing it actually doesn't drip straight from the still - got me there).
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Maybe your drops follow some hyperbolic trajectory that ignores gravity. Or maybe you have no idea of what you are talking about.

What all you guys chose to ignore is the fact that Ted did not produce a drop (hyperbolic, as per Sixela, or otherwise) of absinthe until he dropped his insanely stupid use of an ex-spy running an SM bordello in Thailand with absolutely no distilling experience while distilling sucrose, and actually took his old recipes (widely available) to someone in France WHO KNEW HOW TO MAKE ABSINTHE.

Oh Come All Ye Wankers… refute that.


Posted by: Provenance Dec 14 2007, 09:39 PM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 14 2007, 01:35 PM) *
use of an ex-spy running an SM bordello in Thailand
That's what makes absinthe fun.

Posted by: eric Dec 14 2007, 09:42 PM

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refute that.


I obtained a full liter of very nice Absinthe from Ted in November 2000 in exchange for a bottle from my collection.


Posted by: pierreverte Dec 14 2007, 11:05 PM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 14 2007, 10:35 PM) *

…Ted(…) actually took his old recipes (widely available) to someone in France WHO KNEW HOW TO MAKE ABSINTHE.
Oh Come All Ye Wankers… refute that.


it's refuted, and a fact: no one (alive) had ever made absinthe, or had any clear idea how, at Combier, when ted arranged to make jade there…

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Dec 14 2007, 11:33 PM

QUOTE(eric @ Dec 14 2007, 01:42 PM) *

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refute that.


I obtained a full liter of very nice Absinthe from Ted in November 2000 in exchange for a bottle from my collection.


Oh yes. I got a sample of Ted's absinthe myself. (Yep, not everybody follows the party line here in the Forum. The Dr. has some underground, albeit shy, supporters.)

I drank it in two occasions. The first time it was excellent. The second time, about 2 months afterwards, it was undrinkable. (And I´m not the only one to notice that effect.)

I was talking about COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE absinthe, not about the dabblings of an amateur.

It would be stupid and low to heap scorn on the dabblings of an amateur, right?

Posted by: G&C Dec 14 2007, 11:34 PM

Indeed, it would.

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Dec 14 2007, 11:37 PM

QUOTE(pierreverte @ Dec 14 2007, 03:05 PM) *

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 14 2007, 10:35 PM) *

…Ted(…) actually took his old recipes (widely available) to someone in France WHO KNEW HOW TO MAKE ABSINTHE.
Oh Come All Ye Wankers… refute that.


it's refuted, and a fact: no one (alive) had ever made absinthe, or had any clear idea how, at Combier, when ted arranged to make jade there…



You bring up a good point, Pierreverte, he who wrote a book that now he despises.

Maybe at Combier nobody CARED about making absinthe. Nobody thought about the commercial implications of making absinthe. But MAKING ABSINTHE is not a fucking big deal.

For the newbies: ABSINTHE WAS INVENTED BY A COUNTYRY DOCTOR OUT OF HIS KITCHEN.

All the rest about absinthe is bullshit.

Posted by: traineraz Dec 15 2007, 12:43 AM

So why exactly is it you've not produced a quality absinthe? After all, it's oh-so-simple.

Posted by: Absomphe Dec 15 2007, 01:01 AM

QUOTE(G&C @ Dec 14 2007, 03:34 PM) *

Indeed, it would.


HA!

Posted by: Head_prosthesis Dec 15 2007, 10:42 AM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 12 2007, 12:22 AM) *

I have to add something, and it's going to be my last post for a while.


The first time you quit FeeVerte, you can't believe your doing it.
You just can't believe it. Your head buzzes with excitement.
The second time you quit FeeVerte, it means you were sad enough
to be ignored the first time you did it - and you're pushing a movie.
The third time you quit FeeVerte, the second time didn't go so well,
and you have something to prove to yourself. The fourth time you
quit FeeVerte, you're just blatantly pushing a movie. But the fifth
time you quit FeeVerte is the most special time of all, because you get
this:

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Posted by: pierreverte Dec 15 2007, 02:44 PM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 15 2007, 12:37 AM) *

QUOTE(pierreverte @ Dec 14 2007, 03:05 PM) *

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 14 2007, 10:35 PM) *

…Ted(…) actually took his old recipes (widely available) to someone in France WHO KNEW HOW TO MAKE ABSINTHE.


it's refuted, and a fact: no one (alive) had ever made absinthe, or had any clear idea how, at Combier, when ted arranged to make jade there…


Maybe at Combier nobody CARED about making absinthe. Nobody thought about the commercial implications of making absinthe. But MAKING ABSINTHE is not a fucking big deal.



uh, what happened to your statement of 'fact' that ted "took his old recipes (widely available) to someone in France WHO KNEW HOW TO MAKE ABSINTHE." no one at Combier 'knew' how to make absinthe, or had any real clue where to start, other than having macerated into existence a very respectable commercial pastis…
the alambics at Comber were/are used for very little variety other than triple sec, distilled orange-skin based blending ingredients and kummel…and now jade, perique and lucid…

Posted by: dr_ordinaire Jan 1 2008, 09:41 PM

no one at Combier 'knew' how to make absinthe, or had any real clue where to start, other than having macerated into existence a very respectable commercial pastis…
the alambics at Comber were/are used for very little variety other than triple sec, distilled orange-skin based blending ingredients and kummel…and now jade, perique and lucid…
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Ahhhhh, and there is SUCH a HUGE difference between making pastis and absinthe, considering that everybody and his brother made absinthe by the 1900's and pastis is what people did when the stupid French government banned absinthe.

Do you actually think that these guys needed Ted to know how to make absinthe? Please…

Posted by: pierreverte Jan 1 2008, 10:20 PM

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Jan 1 2008, 10:41 PM) *

Ahhhhh, and there is SUCH a HUGE difference between making pastis and absinthe, considering that everybody and his brother made absinthe by the 1900's and pastis is what people did when the stupid French government banned absinthe.

Do you actually think that these guys needed Ted to know how to make absinthe? Please…



uh, yes there actually are several big differences between making pastis and absinthe, the first being that almost all pastis are not distilled.

i organized and was there from the start and they did NOT know how to make absinthe until ted arrived. the still master there pretty much just follows instructions from the boss, and no one ever showed him how to make absinthe before. actually, he still never learned how to make jade absinthe (which is only made when ted is there), and absinthe in general until the blanchette was created for combier by ted.

Posted by: Head_prosthesis Jan 2 2008, 04:39 PM

The Doctor is IN!
Oh wait, that's a different nutter.

Posted by: Balzdeep Jan 6 2008, 09:03 AM

QUOTE(eric @ Dec 7 2007, 10:25 AM) *

QUOTE(dr_ordinaire @ Dec 7 2007, 03:38 AM) *
I have NO chemistry background.





Then what qualifies you to accuse a professional chemist such as Ted of lying about the chemistry of Absinthe?


Dealing with Chemistry and making money off of such makes one a "professional chemist." I know a lot of those, being doctors, dentists, mechanics, painters, street de-icers, and even maids.

As a side-note, Ted was an environmental (ag-engineering degree???) chemist, measuring pollution levels in groundwater around New Orleans if memory serves me right. Does have a strong basis is organic chemistry, but in the land of research chemistry if he is not working for a university, I would not call him such. I would call him a commercial chemist.

That being said, I do agree with Porkio that times and the methods of measurement change, even for those that are commercial chemists, such as Ted. With the legalization of absinthe/Lucid in the US, measurement of chop.gif was determined by a standard technique of measurement and a standard expectant of results. Not being a chemist or engineer I am not one to discuss whether this measurement is a good expectation or not, however I am qualified enough to state that the FDA does not regulate nutriceuticals other than them proving that what they say is in there is in there. Obviously with alcohol there is another aspect, the ATF amongst others, thrown in there.




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