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> Absinthes Opaline and Sapphire, ...and a discussion on ageing absinthe..
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post Sep 6 2010, 04:32 PM
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Hey all. I have not been around here in quite a while. Hopefully, everyone has been enjoying good times and better spirits. I find myself to be quite out of touch with recent releases and would appreciate a little input from the Forum. I can't remember the last time I ordered anything from overseas…probably not since American distillers started producing such fine absinthes.

What are the overall impressions of Bugnon's Opaline and Sapphire absinthes? I've always been a fan of his Clandestine. Searching the boards doesn't turn up a lot of info aside from a few favourable mentions of the Sapphire.

Thanks in advance for any input.


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post Sep 6 2010, 04:50 PM
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Sapphire is fantastic. It's by far my favorite blanche.
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post Sep 6 2010, 04:59 PM
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Get Sapphire while it is. I like Angelique a tad better than Opaline, but for a verte, I would suggest (Bugnon's, too) Butterfly.


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post Oct 8 2010, 07:12 AM
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Sapphire is good enough. The Butterfly to me is just a Pontica bomb. Initial impression was I quite liked it, but it all turned to nothing but Pontica in the end. And too heavy at that.


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post Oct 8 2010, 05:50 PM
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Agreed. I finally had a glass of the Butterfly yesterday. Not to my liking.


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post Oct 8 2010, 06:26 PM
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Another reason for not giving you a good absinthe since it is waste of your time and waste of the absinthe itself.


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post Oct 8 2010, 06:33 PM
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Define good absinthe... Would that be one of your "pre-ban repros"? wink.gif


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post Oct 8 2010, 06:50 PM
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Joining forces with T is very stupid after your long absence and paying not enough attention as well.


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post Oct 8 2010, 07:00 PM
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Paying attention is not the same thing as agreeing, Boggy.

And what's this "joining forces" silliness? Everyone who makes a critical comment about something you said is now "joining forces with Tibro"?

That's not far from a paranoid delusional fantasy; you know better than to invest in those.


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post Oct 8 2010, 07:00 PM
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Ha ha ha!
First of all I'm not joining forces with anyone and I am very much paying attention, mr. Not posting doesn't mean I'm not here...

What exactly is it that you want me to pay attention to there? That others like the butterfly and I don't?


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post Oct 8 2010, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(hartsmar @ Oct 8 2010, 12:12 AM) *

The Butterfly to me is just a Pontica bomb. Initial impression was I quite liked it, but it all turned to nothing but Pontica in the end. And too heavy at that.


Give the Berthe de Joux a try.


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post Oct 8 2010, 07:08 PM
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Oh I've tried it... And I quite like it. It's not my absolute top favourite, but I like it. And to be perfectly honest I am having a glass of it this very moment.


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QUOTE(hartsmar @ Oct 7 2010, 11:12 PM) *

The Butterfly to me is just a Pontica bomb. Initial impression was I quite liked it, but it all turned to nothing but Pontica in the end…

Definitely. And I noted in my review, as an aside, that I don't know if it'll likely revive itself completely from the coloration…

The one I had was 2 months in… I think nearly any fair verte absinthe that isn't shy about coloring has an imbalance toward the coloring herbs in its youth. Moreover, in many instances, it may even be a condition of proper growth before an absinthe matures into proper taste, aroma and senescence as it assumes true age.


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post Oct 9 2010, 08:13 AM
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It is surprising that an absinthe that is a much, much lesser pontica bomb than Austin Osman Spare (which is an exemplary one) or some from the other realm, is considered such a pontica bomb while the core aromas there are coriander, licorice and mint and above all, absinthe is perfectly coloured, on par with the absinthes of the heyday, unlike many absinthes of nowadays.

Pontica is a tricky girl. Used cunningly, it can be discovered on the palate as genepi or even absinthium.

Obviously, what do I know about a certain Butterfly project that has began as "American Absinthe"?


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post Oct 9 2010, 10:21 AM
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The A.O Spare is more balanced in my opinion and even with a noticable pontica, it's not as heavy...

The color of the Butterfly is pretty. No doubt. And the louche is also very nice. But the balance of the overall profile of the Butterfly is, to me, far from perfect. You can make a wonderfully colored absinthe without it being a Pontica bomb. You can make an absinthe with a noticable Pontica profile without it being overpowering.

The Butterfly is a well made product. It's not that. The maker is as we all know skilled at what he does. It's simply a personal opinion of mine. It just so happens that apparently some others share it, some don't. To me, it's too heavy in Pontica.

But what do you mean with "on par with absinthes of the heyday"? I for one believe that then - as today - there were obvious variations in color between the different brands. It would be strange if there wasn't.

And that leaves me asking what you mean by "unlike many absinthes of nowadays". Unless of course this refers to the terrible artificial crapsinthes.


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