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> Scoring system and personal preference, ...how to do it?
traineraz
post Oct 24 2006, 04:43 PM
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Edit: Damn, you people post fast, making me go back and quote Donnie:

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Oct 24 2006, 08:40 AM) *

But is IS immoral to artificially colour an absinthe, and I will carry out my Absinthe Inquisition undeterred, putting makers of artificially green absinthe on the rack and setting it to 10. evill.gif



See, this is where you miss Free-dee (here, and the rifle range. Runs fast, Free-dee does.). Who's going to pop up and randomly shout, "Nobody expects . . . " etc.?


The question really coming to my mind now is: Who is the current review system and Buyer's Guide designed to serve?

Is it designed for professional industry critics and/or experienced absintheurs, or for Average Joe who wants to make a good purchase decision? I'd always thought the idea of the Buyer's Guide was to guide buyers who lack the experience to make good choices, not so we can tell each other, "go read my review, don't waste my time asking me about Brand X."

Hypothetical example:
Average Joe wants to try a new absinthe. Joe comes here to read up on the subject, and sees reviews about color in the bottle, aroma before adding water, etc. Joe doesn't care, he's not going to spend $100 to stare at a bottle or open the top and sniff it all night, he's going to drink it. Joe wants to know what it smells/tastes like when he drinks it. Joe wonders, if color in the bottle is so important, why isn't there a section on bottle and label design, too? (Discount 3 points for screw-tops?)

Personally, I tend to side with Joe. An absinthe may score 10 of 10 points on color in the bottle and 8 of 15 on taste (Pernod 68, perhaps?), and end up with a higher ranking (18 of that 25) than one scoring 3 on color (Blanchette/Old Yeller, anyone?) and a 13 on taste (16 of that 25). The P68's star anise probably also gives it a thicker louche, hence another score boost, perhaps bringing it to 6 or 7 points ahead of the Blanchette. The "overall impression" correction might end up giving them equal scores. Doesn't this result in scores which, while perhaps appropriate to professional industry critics, are confusing and inappropriate to the Guide's target audience?


I'd never suggest dropping the existing reviews or anything of that nature; not only is there far too much work involved, but also a great deal of raw data has been captured which should not be lost. However, is it possible to re-weight the categories (perhaps just adding a separate, "taste-centered" score) using the same raw data, to achieve a score that will have meaning for Average Joe?

The "taste-centered" score would be much like the "when you drink" suggestion put forth by Absinthizer, but this score as an addendum to, not replacement for, the overall score. Perhaps in the "taste-centered" score, the existing raw numbers for appearance, pre-louche aroma, and louche experience get knocked back to 25% of their current weight, with the emphasis being redistributed to primary taste/aroma and aftertaste experiences.

Edit #2: 25% is a random % I picked out of the air -- they're flitting about all over the office, and me without a %-swatter -- not a judgement of these categories' relative value.

I do agree that DrinkBoy's 5-point scales are generally too narrow, particularly to judge flavors/aromas (OK for a louche, though); but he has some ideas which seem worth looking at, like an aftertaste review, and (through his experience with his system) the dropping of pre-louche aroma as a significant category.


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post Oct 24 2006, 04:58 PM
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Drinkboy's review system seems more like a way to categorize absinthe, unlike the more competition based 100 point system. In it top level absinthe will get similar scores, and so will mid, etc., with differences in those categories coming from the reviewers opinions that aren't specifically quantified. Although it doesn't rank absinthe it does take care of the more subjective issues in the 100 point system by regulating them to comments and not numbers.

I like both systems as I don't think it's possible to create a perfect one that takes care of everyones issues. Thus more information, properly organized, will always give a better result.


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post Oct 24 2006, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Oct 24 2006, 09:38 AM) *

But you do need to have the actual absinthe in front of you when reviewing it.


10/4 boss, I will breakout the Segara and blow the dust off the Deva.


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post Oct 24 2006, 07:32 PM
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So... SHIT!
I just finished four score-sheets. Swedish sewer system is in better shape than ever, I tell you.

Neto Costa, Tabu 55, Segarra 45 and last something I could actually finish a glass off, the L'Artisanale.
Complete scores will be added to the B.G as soon as I get them in digital form. I need another drink of something good first.

For now, I can tell that the scores range from 27 to 84.



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post Oct 24 2006, 07:57 PM
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I'd happily review the L'Artisinale too...IF I HAD SOME!

Something tells me it wasn't the Tabu, Segarra or Neto Costa that earned the 84.
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post Oct 24 2006, 08:02 PM
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Neto Costa? Wow, you really took one for the team!


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post Oct 24 2006, 08:17 PM
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If anyone would care to send me a sample of this L'Artisanale of which you speak, I'd be happy to review it.

Or just about anything else, for that matter.


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post Oct 24 2006, 08:22 PM
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We could use another review of the Neto Costa if he'll send you the leftovers.


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post Oct 24 2006, 08:25 PM
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Not worth the price of shipping.
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post Oct 24 2006, 08:30 PM
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There is about 60 cl left of the original 70cl in that Neto Costa bottle. I have had that bottle since around 2001 or something I think. Need I say more about which scored in at 27?


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post Oct 24 2006, 08:47 PM
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Well, I was hoping for the l'Artisanale (Wasn't Markus or LDF supposed to be stocking that by now?!), but reviewers can't be choosers.



Besides, someone in the States has to establish a physical library of Absinthes Terrible . . . or has someone already got one going? (Preferably someone who moves less frequently than I: Twice in the last month, and now looking at again in December or so, depending on interviews . . . then maybe 6-9 months after that, depending upon finances!)


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post Oct 24 2006, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(hartsmar @ Oct 24 2006, 02:30 PM) *

Need I say more about which scored in at 27?

Amazing! Having tried the Gatorade, er, Tabu, I'm astonished that anything scored lower.
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post Oct 24 2006, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Oct 24 2006, 02:53 PM) *

Balls, as Kierkegaard would say.

In Danish, words for male reproductive organs aren't used in that sense, so no, he wouldn't.

He might, however, have used some term referring to urine or flatulence.


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post Oct 24 2006, 11:49 PM
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The more I think about it (and the more I drink) I like G&C's dictum -- drink it or sink it. I think that should be included as the bottom line on reviews.


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post Oct 25 2006, 12:24 AM
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That's why I hope the Buyer's Guide eventually includes a "Hit List" and a "Shit List". Personal preference can have a lot do to with it, but the Hit List could be absinthes that reviewers generally recommend with confidence, ordered from first to last in terms of quality, and the "Shit List" would obviously be all the absinthes that reviewers generally score around 60 points or less (obviously that # is my subjective opinion, higher or lower is at the discretion of the Admin). That's basically a more specific way of saying "Sink it or Drink it".

PS Hartsmar I just reviewed the Blanche Traditionelle Brut D'Alambic so you can add that the guide.
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