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post Oct 29 2006, 10:06 AM
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What's the earliest surviving post from the Fee Verte forum?


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post Oct 29 2006, 10:21 AM
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These are the earliest I can find, all apparently amongst the first 100 posts, dating from March 1998 onwards. Particularly interesting is the one from Antoine Breaux...



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Entry number 41 --

Name: simon
E-mail address: simonfb@aol.com
Homepage URL:
Comments:
i was lucky enough to be brought a bottle back by a friend from Spain - made by Phillippe, and labelled "Le Vrai Absinthe" - it was 60% (120 US proof) and I believe it was the equivalent of £7uk. It didnt go as cloudly as Pernod, Ricard etc and tasted a lot "fresher". It was not as sweet as Pastis but was not too bitter to drink unsweetened.
As far as I am aware Absinthe was never outlawed in the UK as it was never really popular here. I have requested bottles from several friends visiting spain, but all have failed to find it - one guy phoned me from the liquor store!!!
re ethanol - the Polish make a 80% vodka - that works well

Date: Tue Mar 3 13:00



Entry number 52 --

Name: Lost Sailor
E-mail address: pcongen@epri.com
Homepage URL:
Comments:
Regarding the recipe for distilling "true" Absinthe. The
author does not give any specific temperatures for the
distillation process. Distillation is a fairly complex
process requiring specific temperature. There are a number
of different types of alcohol and if your not careful you
will poison yourself. The goal of distillation is to get
Ethanol (EtOH - drinking alcohol) without getting Isopropyl
(C3H8O - rubbing alcohol) and Methanol (CH4O - wood
alcohol). Isopropyl alcohol will make you sick, but
Methanol will kill you. During Prohibition in the U.S. many
people died drink "bathtub gin" with Methanol in it. (They
wer also using automotive radiators as condensers. The
standard method of repairing these radiators was with lead
patches. They were making a lead tincture!). I would
highly recommend research on the distillation process,
before any attempt at absinthe manufacture is undertaken.


Date: Thu Mar 12 14:19



Entry number 60 --

Name: Kallisti
E-mail address: kallisti@sepulchritude.com
Homepage URL: http://www.sepulchritude.com
Comments:
Just a brief note to let you all know I posted the page
"Absinthe Herb & Oil Vendors", with a small selection of
online vendors who can supply you with your absinthe needs.
let me know your experiences with the vendors if you use
them, as I would like to know how reliable etc they are.

Also, I just posted the following message to a newsgroup,
and though it is slightly out of context, I thought I would
include it here for your edification. Here goes:

True absinthe though must be *distilled* to resemble
something akin to the aperitif of old. The steeped absinthe
recipes one finds on the net (and I have recipes for both on
my site) can indeed produce something rather noxious, and it
takes some experimenting to get a decent flavor, though it
can be done. Wormwood and all ingredients called for in
absinthe brewing are perfectly legal in the U.S., some of
them are quite common. Everclear (pure grain alcohol),
though, is not legal in all states. And when recipes *do*
call for pure grain alcohols, they are meant to be diluted
with distilled water as well, rendering the alcohol at
approx. 120 proof. Where grain alcohols are illegal, a
flavorless alcohol is subsituted, like vodka, and the water
is left out of the recipe. This, of course, ONLY applies to
steeped absinthe. Distilled absinthe *must* use pure
alcohol.

The psychoactive attributes of absinthe are not experienced
by all, indeed, very few claim to have experienced them, and
it certainly takes a rather intense binge to get there. But
it is certainly *different* than your standard alcohol high.


Date: Fri Mar 20 17:42



Entry number 66 --

Name: Kiddo
E-mail address:
Homepage URL:
Comments:
New Orleans is the place, and Herbsaint (with wormwood bitters) is the drink. I shall return.

Date: Tue Mar 31 15:16



Entry number 71 --

Name: Kate
E-mail address:
Homepage URL:
Comments:
I tried Absinthe when I lived in Prague in '94 and even
managed to bring several bottles back to the States with me
without any problems at Customs (I didn't know at the time
that this was illegal).
Since then, I've haven't been able to find Absinthe in any
other European country. I tried many liquor stores in Spain
and Portugal without any luck. I'll be going to Amsterdam in
a couple of weeks and wanted to see if anyone has been able
to buy Absinthe there. If you have, could you please post
the name of the exact store. Thanks.

Date: Fri Apr 10 09:14


Entry number 77 --

Name: Kallisti
E-mail address: kallisti@sepulchritude.com
Homepage URL: http://www.sepulchritude.com
Comments:
Oh! The many questions that have arisen ... I will endeavor
to answer them.

Pernod is an absinthe substitute, aside from the color, the
only thing that is very similar is the strong anise flavor.
If it is the anise(licorice) that you object to, you are
probably out of luck on that score. Absinthe is a very
strong (120 proof) liqueur with an extreeeeemly bitter
taste. Sugar and anise (among a sundry of other herbs) were
added to conteract the intense bitterness. Much like
children's cough syrup. Absinthe, like so many other sodas,
drinks & liqueurs, had its start as a health tonic, to aid
digestion, among other things.

As for the recipes, aside from the distilled recipes I've
posted, these are a crude approximation of absinthe, and
most of them will taste questionable. Experimentation and
research are your best friends in this regard. Don't expect
to get a lovely batch of bathtub absinthe with the first
try. But don't give up either ... its the journey that is
the reward (yadda, yadda!).

As for an absinthe community, there is perhaps on the web,
but the sense of "community" probably stops there. Before
there was common internet access, I think we all hovered in
small dark rooms buried beneath mounds of Rimbaud & Wilde,
dreaming of absinthe because we believed THEY did. It is
certainly more widely known of these days, and more people
have been showing interest in it. But the word "community"
doesn't quite fill the bill, as it were.

And, unfortunately, I don't know of anyone currently
distributing Absinthe from Spain or Portugal ... If anyone
else does, please let me know!


Date: Fri Apr 17 19:48


Entry number 78 --

Name: nick jones
E-mail address: NICKYSPLENDID@yahoo.com.
Homepage URL:
Comments:
During my wilder years in 1996 I lived in Prague. It was
there that I first 'got into' Absinthe. My stay lasted 6
months and I smuggled 2 bottles back to Wales UK. That x-mas
my friend Sam and I used the stuff to get very drunk indeed.
I certainly believe that it makes you drunk like no other
drink I've tried. My pals in Prague (the Czech ones) warned
me to leave the stuff alone telling me horror stories to
scare me eg:- people 'shitting themselves' at clubs having
drunk the stuff, or getting run over by cars on the way
home.
All in all I find it a pleasurable drink. A damn sight nicer
than Pernod!! But where can I get another bottle??

Date: Sat Apr 18 05:39


Entry number 79 --

Name: "Devildog"
E-mail address: lvpham@hotmail.com
Homepage URL:
Comments:
Concerning the procurement of wormwood essential oil...
The Essential Oil Co. is currently out and will be for at
least 4 mo. This according to the customer service rep I
spoke to as of 4-15-98. I found another source via the
internet: www.global-perspectives.com -- This is a company
out of North Carolina and there prices are roughly twelve-
fold more expensive (14.95 for 1/8 oz.) compared to the
Essential Oil Co. Recently, ordered some, will keep you
posted on the quality of the product.

Date: Sat Apr 18 14:07


Entry number 81 --

Name: Antoine Breaux
E-mail address: tabreaux@neworleans.com
Homepage URL:
Comments:
Being a scientist and having had the opportunity to drink
100 year old Pernod absinthe from an original bottle (!),
let's clear up some wishful thinking in favor of facts: (1)
The Czech stuff (Hill's) is horrible tasting garbage with
green food coloring, and is nothing in flavor or effect
like real absinthe (yuk!). Sorry, but this stuff is a
marketing ploy. Don't waste your time nor money just to get
sick on this foul garbage. (2) There is only one way to
make real absinthe, and that is to distill it from the
proper balance of whole herbs. The ethanol concentration
must be high enough to extract the essentials. The notion
that putting crumbled wormwood in vodka, etc., is nonsense,
and certainly makes a horrible tasting concoction. (3) Dr.
Arnold almost got the distillation recipe correct, but
there is a critical error which must be resolved from it to
have an acceptable conclusion. I had a conversation with
him about this very subject some time ago. (4) Real
absinthe is a very delicately balanced, pleasant floral
liqueur, with pleasant bouquet and complex flavors which
can only be acquired via distillation. It does not taste
like Pernod. Pernod is simply oil of star anise macerated
with watered down ethanol, and that is it. (5) The 'effect'
of absinthe which people like to exaggerate so much (no
doubt out of pure romanticism) is not simply due to
wormwood, but rather to the combination of sedatory
wormwood with excitatory herbs. In effect, it is an herbal
'speedball'. It sort of gives you a wide awake, slow
motion sensation. Nothing overly dramatic however, just
different. Without the distilled proper balance of other
herbs, it is not the same as real absinthe.

Just some FYI from an educated individual who chose to
share knowledge and experience.

Date: Tue Apr 21 15:54


Entry number 82 --

Name: Dutch dude
E-mail address:
Homepage URL:
Comments:
In response to Kates request, forget about trying to get
Absinthe Amsterdam. No way. Stick to either Spain, Portugal,
Japan I think. And forget about Czechia. I see lots of
references to Czech absinthe. But that is just crap stuff.
The Czech absinthe tastes like pure alchohol
and a very slight other taste. Not anise flavoured at all.
A slight menthol flavour, but that's it. When you add it to
water nothing happens and you have practically no flavour
left over. So you are buying alchohol with a green colour,
although some people say that it has some "effect", it
tastes so disgusting and bears no resemblance to the
original that there is no point in trying to drink it.

When I bought some once in Prague, the lady behind the
counter started abusing me wildly in Czech as if to say
"stupid foreigner fools". I have no idea what she said.

I've never tasted Spainish/Portugese absinthe, but by all
accounts it's at least it is intended to be like a real
absinthe.

Date: Wed Apr 22 03:32


Entry number 89 --

Name: Verdigo
E-mail address: odcs@aol.com
Homepage URL:
Comments:
Vive la Fée Verte!
In Portugal, four years ago, I was introduced to "Absinto".
I am ashamed to say that-Philistine that I was-I drank it
via the shot glass. I brought back a bottle and finished it
with friends who marvelled at its effects.
I had no idea that there was so much ceremony and
controversy involved. However I have just finished Barnaby
Conrad's wonderful book. I want my bottle back!
So where can we get some?


Date: Fri May 1 18:20


Entry number 91 --

Name: Mike I.
E-mail address: absinthe2@hotmail.com
Homepage URL: http://www.mcs.net/~mikei/absinthe/
Comments:
Thought I'd stop by to check out the forum. This is my
favorite absinthe web site and the forum just makes it
better!
<BR><BR>

I see there's a lot of questions regarding commercial
absinthe. Maybe I can be of some help in this area since
I've been fortunate enough to be an avid consumer of said
products.
<BR><BR>

Absenta (Spain): My favorite. Very tart with a lemon and
anise after taste. If I had to limit myself to only one
drink for the rest of my life, this would be it. It's hard
to imagine pre-ban Pernod being better.
<BR><BR>

Lasala (Spain): Also quite good. However it does have a
strong (and I do mean strong) wormwood smell and flavor. If
you don't like wormwood, keep away from this stuff. I get
visual effects after about number three or four.
<BR><BR>

Hill's (Czech Republic): This is a case of comparing apples
and oranges. It is made with wormwood so technically it is
absinthe although not the traditional Pernod type. It is
made to be drank straight up (blah). Must be an aquired
taste or something - gives me the willies just to think of
it. I have found it to be quite acceptable when mixed 50-50
with Pernod or Ricard and then served up in the usual
manner.
<BR><BR>

Hope this helps clear up some of the myths.
<BR><BR>

Mike
<BR><BR>

ps: Please don't email me asking where to get the stuff. Be
creative and I'm sure you'll find a way.


Date: Sat May 2 17:58


Entry number 95 --

Name: gregor
E-mail address: sisyphus2000@webtv.net
Homepage URL:
Comments:
hello all.....
i am going to england next week, where i shall finally get to try some authentic absinthe.as everyone may or may not know, absinthe was never outlawed in england. everyone just assumed it was so. i have the names of two bars that serve it (absenta, i believe) in london,
and i plan on seeking them out as soon as i arrive. i will post my findings and experiences when i return......cheers!


Date: Fri May 15 17:12


Entry number 97 --

Name: Spawn
E-mail address: delican13@usa.net
Homepage URL:
Comments:
g'day all - i've been living in Prague just over 2 years now
and have been drinking Absinth from time to time - an
American friend of mine recently got very sick and was
diagnosed as suffering from ( as i understood it ) extended
absinthe intoxication. Does anyone know anything about this
condition? If so, please mail me.



Date: Mon May 18 03:08


Entry number 98 --

Name: Rizla
E-mail address:
Homepage URL:
Comments:
Drinking Pernod with wormwood extract:

I'm sorry to say that this doesn't really work. I tried
drinking a lot of this, and the only thing that happened is
that I started to get drunk. I tried raising the amount of
extract in each shot, until I got to the point where I drank
almost a half ounce of it straight. I didn't die, or get
sick, or anything. Maybe the quality of the extract was
lacking, but after drinking so much of it I'd have to say
that wormwood extract has no intoxicating effects.

Date: Wed May 20 09:02


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Absenta (Spain) [Deva?]: My favorite. Very tart with a lemon and anise after taste. If I had to limit myself to only one drink for the rest of my life, this would be it. It's hard to imagine pre-ban Pernod being better.


And then he ends his email with this:

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Hope this helps clear up some of the myths.

Mike


Classic stuff, Oxy.


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Absinthe is a very strong (120 proof) liqueur with an extreeeeemly bitter
taste. Sugar and anise (among a sundry of other herbs) were
added to conteract the intense bitterness.


After all these years, we discover that Dr. O is just a puppet. And looks at who's making him speak.


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Damn that was a long time ago - when Mike Ivarone z"l was still around. I bought my first spoon from him. It is a real shame he didn't make it to see absinthe take off like it has...



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