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post Mar 6 2007, 09:34 AM
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In 1897 he was given the job of Images Editor at the very popular Czech language magazine Zlatá Praha (Golden Prague). He held this job for 19 years! Shortly after he started work there, he married a lovely girl named Anna Adamcova who was enamored with his talent.


Apparently his talent was absolutely enormous.


It wasn't enormous enough. She left him not too long after for a musician with an even bigger (throbbing?) talent.
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post Mar 6 2007, 09:36 AM
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I have to admit some curiosity. I'll wait for a review. It is a nice bottle.


Thank you. We haven't had a lot of positive response to the black bottle. People want to display that they have a bottle of green stuff. But we decided that it was more important to keep the light from affecting the color.
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post Mar 6 2007, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE(hartsmar @ Feb 27 2007, 12:03 AM) *

Funny that I cannot find anywhere a scan of the actual pre-ban Bohemian recipe. Only their own online version.


It's right there in the History of Oliva Absinth section:
http://www.olivaabsinth.com/skin1/images/s...%20page%201.jpg
http://www.olivaabsinth.com/skin1/images/s...%20page%202.jpg

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It's a good thing that there are Czechs trying to make quality absinthe. The only thing that worries me is that "Infusion" part, as Oxy said. Is that a 12 hour blast of adding oils or sugar or what?


No sugar. Why would we need sugar with the herbs we are using?
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post Mar 6 2007, 09:56 AM
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Welcome OliAbs abs-cheers.gif
And thanx for answering our question marks.

Wild Bill Turkey is our first guinea pig so we are waiting for his comments/review, his bottle is stuck in customs for the moment though.
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post Mar 6 2007, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Feb 23 2007, 10:48 PM) *

This new Czech site is worth looking at. On the face of it this seems a step forward for the "absinth" category - a more serious product, and an attempt to place it in a more accurate historical context.


Thank you. This is exactly what we are going for.

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There are errors and silly claims -


Please let me know about these. Our goal is to be as accurate as possible. For any new information, we try to have the actual scans of the documents linked in the text. If there is something we are stating that is proven untrue, I would be very happy to correct it.
Elliot Novak


Most of the information is, as I said, commendably accurate, and often backed up with historical documents.

But here's an error:
http://www.olivaabsinth.com/history-of-abs...nthe-pg-11.html
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Most of the world has opened up to absinthe now, with the Notable exceptions of the USA and France.

Absinthe is freely and legally made and sold in France, subject only to some technical restrictions and labelling laws, so the situation there is not at all comparable to that in the US.

And here's a silly claim:
http://www.olivaabsinth.com/ritual-buy-absinthe-pg-12.html
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There are many wonderful herbs in our absinthe that have very special effects on humans. Some of them have a stimulating effect. Some have a relaxing effect. Some even have a sexual aspect to them.

There are no herbs in absinthe that have any proven "sexual aspect", nor is this even a claim that was ever regularly made about absinthe until the Czech producers started doing so in the last decade.

Anyway, overall you've done an excellent job with the site, and even more importantly, for the first time put some verifiable information on Czech absinthe history into the public domain.



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post Mar 6 2007, 04:32 PM
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Most of the information is, as I said, commendably accurate, and often backed up with historical documents.


Thank you. It really is important to me/us.

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Absinthe is freely and legally made and sold in France, subject only to some technical restrictions and labelling laws, so the situation there is not at all comparable to that in the US.


It is comparable because it is now only allowed because someone figured out a way around the laws (Making sure the label says some other phrase than simply "Absinthe". The laws are still in the books, right? Or am I misinformed about this? Could you specify to me the exact difference so I can correct that?

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And here's a silly claim:
http://www.olivaabsinth.com/ritual-buy-absinthe-pg-12.html
There are many wonderful herbs in our absinthe that have very special effects on humans. Some of them have a stimulating effect. Some have a relaxing effect. Some even have a sexual aspect to them.
There are no herbs in absinthe that have any proven "sexual aspect", nor is this even a claim that was ever regularly made about absinthe until the Czech producers started doing so in the last decade.


Well, I am sure if I went back through the records I was looking through (US, UK, and Czech) I would find several claims that absinthe has aphrodisiac qualities. These may have been made by the reporter writing the story however.

In any case, here is a nice article that lists several herbs that have a sexual bit to them. At least one may be of interest to you:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...18/ai_n14522712

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Anyway, overall you've done an excellent job with the site, and even more importantly, for the first time put some verifiable information on Czech absinthe history into the public domain.


Thank you very much. It was incredibly difficult to get this information, and I can understand why, with our history. If Czech absinthe was made (and likely mostly sold) domestically, any adverts and other information would have been kept mostly in the area. With the socialist and soviet problems, so much of our history was destroyed. My family has told me many stories of getting rid of things considered too decadent or too Western. The librarian told me that many of the records we was looking at, were saved by heroic librarians who risked their "freedom" to save as many documents and records as they could.

One thing I didn't consider until just now, was the immigration to the US of Czech people trying to escape before the Socialists. Perhaps some of Bohemian absinthe history is even in the US now.
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post Mar 6 2007, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE(OliAbs @ Mar 6 2007, 11:32 AM) *

One thing I didn't consider until just now, was the immigration to the US of Czech people trying to escape before the Socialists. Perhaps some of Bohemian absinthe history is even in the US now.


That's a good point. Much of my mother's family is from Bohemia, emigrated here in the 1910's. I'll ask around to some of the ones that are still talking to us (long story). biggrin.gif


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post Mar 6 2007, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE(mthuilli @ Mar 6 2007, 02:56 AM) *

Welcome OliAbs abs-cheers.gif
And thanx for answering our question marks.

Wild Bill Turkey is our first guinea pig so we are waiting for his comments/review, his bottle is stuck in customs for the moment though.


Thank you! I am very much hoping he likes it. The original recipe test batch was much too bitter. We have mostly corrected that now.

Customs is the biggest pain in our butt. When we decided to sell also directly to customers, we thought it would be easier than this. The system here is not really set up for this kind of e-commerce. It works by coincidence.
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post Mar 6 2007, 05:24 PM
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Absinthe is freely and legally made and sold in France, subject only to some technical restrictions and labelling laws, so the situation there is not at all comparable to that in the US.


It is comparable because it is now only allowed because someone figured out a way around the laws (Making sure the label says some other phrase than simply "Absinthe". The laws are still in the books, right? Or am I misinformed about this? Could you specify to me the exact difference so I can correct that?

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And here's a silly claim:
http://www.olivaabsinth.com/ritual-buy-absinthe-pg-12.html
There are many wonderful herbs in our absinthe that have very special effects on humans. Some of them have a stimulating effect. Some have a relaxing effect. Some even have a sexual aspect to them.
There are no herbs in absinthe that have any proven "sexual aspect", nor is this even a claim that was ever regularly made about absinthe until the Czech producers started doing so in the last decade.


Well, I am sure if I went back through the records I was looking through (US, UK, and Czech) I would find several claims that absinthe has aphrodisiac qualities. These may have been made by the reporter writing the story however.

In any case, here is a nice article that lists several herbs that have a sexual bit to them. At least one may be of interest to you:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...18/ai_n14522712


There are, I repeat, no reputable sources claiming any aphrodisiac qualities for absinthe. None. Nada. Not one. Zip.

This wasn't a claim made during the absinthe era, even by absinthe's supporters.
It's a claim that is almost exclusively made in the modern era by the purveyors of fake Czech absinth, and if you want to distance yourself from them, I'd advise dropping it from your site.

The article you referenced is from the Sunday Mirror, a tabloid newspaper here in the UK that occasionaly reports the fact that Elvis was seen in Birmingham, and that the face of Jesus Christ has appeared on a toasted cheese sandwich. Their claim that women find the taste of anise arousing is amusing but is, and if you'll excuse me I'll use the correct scientific language here, complete crap.

On the other point:

Absinthe is completely illegal to manufacture or sell within the USA. Absinthe is completely legal to manufacture and sell in France, provided it:
a. complies with the EU thujone restrictions.
b. complies with the French fenchone restriction.
c. is labelled "Spiritueux aux plantes d'absinthe" (or similar) rather than just "Absinthe".
Dozens of legal absinthes are made in France, including many "Absinthe Suisse" types.

So as I said, the situation in France is not remotely comparable to the situation in the USA.


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post Mar 6 2007, 06:36 PM
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One of the minor issues I have with the site is listing our favorite porkchop, thujone, as hallucinogenic.
As others have said, I would like to see some better and unblured out photos of the recipe and other references.


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post Mar 6 2007, 06:42 PM
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Pointing out factual errors on Czech absinth site is like arguing with a spambot.


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post Mar 6 2007, 07:06 PM
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post Mar 6 2007, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(Ari @ Mar 6 2007, 11:36 AM) *

One of the minor issues I have with the site is listing our favorite porkchop, chop.gif, as hallucinogenic.


I would like that not to be on our site as well. Can you please let me know where you found it? Here is what we stated on the FAQ:
"The positive, enjoyable, and unique effects of absinthe come not from the chop.gif, but from the other herbs used."

And this is what we want to convey. chop.gif is technically a hallucinogenic, but not in the quantities present, correct?


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As others have said, I would like to see some better and unblured out photos of the recipe and other references.


The text is as legible as possible. We were able to fully translate almost all the text. If there is some text or part of a document that is unintelligible, please let me know exactly which ones and I can attempt to re-scan it. The problem is that there have been several floods and some of the documents were injured by this.
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post Mar 6 2007, 08:32 PM
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Please do not take any of this as a negative argument. I am very interested in all of your opinions. Gathering information has been the thrust of my job for the last year.

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There are, I repeat, no reputable sources claiming any aphrodisiac qualities for absinthe. None. Nada. Not one. Zip.

The article you referenced is from the Sunday Mirror, a tabloid newspaper here in the UK that occasionaly reports the fact that Elvis was seen in Birmingham, and that the face of Jesus Christ has appeared on a toasted cheese sandwich. Their claim that women find the taste of anise arousing is amusing but is, and if you'll excuse me I'll use the correct scientific language here, complete crap.


You may be right, but that was just the first site Google pulled up for me. There are many many other sources saying the same thing:
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:YZsNxe...;cd=1&gl=us
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:fkQUXn...;cd=3&gl=us
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:TG560q...;cd=5&gl=us

There are several others. I have not read any of the scientific papers either way, but there have been scientific studies done. If you are so inclined to pay for access, this link is one such study (both Anise and Fennel):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...l=pubmed_DocSum

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This wasn't a claim made during the absinthe era, even by absinthe's supporters.
It's a claim that is almost exclusively made in the modern era by the purveyors of fake Czech absinth, and if you want to distance yourself from them, I'd advise dropping it from your site.


I will and am considering it. If untrue, then I would absolutely do so. However, we didn't put it on there just to claim such a thing. We put it there because of citations we found regarding both anise and fennel.

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On the other point:

Absinthe is completely illegal to manufacture or sell within the USA. Absinthe is completely legal to manufacture and sell in France, provided it:
a. complies with the EU chop.gif restrictions.
b. complies with the French fenchone restriction.
c. is labelled "Spiritueux aux plantes d'absinthe" (or similar) rather than just "Absinthe".
Dozens of legal absinthes are made in France, including many "Absinthe Suisse" types.

So as I said, the situation in France is not remotely comparable to the situation in the USA.


Ok, I will clarify this on the site. In fact, I just did. Let me know if I got it right (last paragraph):
http://www.olivaabsinth.com/history-of-abs...nthe-pg-11.html
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QUOTE(OliAbs @ Mar 6 2007, 12:14 PM) *

And this is what we want to convey. thujone is technically a hallucinogenic, but not in the quantities present, correct?

Nope. There's no evidence that any amount of thujone will cause hallucinations, unless you are counting Near Death experiences.

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The text is as legible as possible.

I was mainly talking about the parts with red "censored" over them.


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