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post Dec 19 2007, 07:45 PM
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The big difference we have with wine reviews is that we have blanches, they immediately score more for the color (i.e. translucent=10). And a lot of other differences.
And while we're on it, I do not agree with the score system, because:
1 - color/louche is 30/100 - 1/3 of the final score?
2 - aroma is 30 but taste is only 20 - which one is the most important?

My 2 cents.
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post Dec 19 2007, 08:09 PM
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Yeah, but you're also French so that doesn't count.

In a way there is more to aroma than there is in taste. The aroma presents itself both pre- and post-water and shows how the drink behaves under that change. It is also in large in the aroma that you find a lot of the characteristics in the drink and those then carries over in the taste.

Color and louche is a third of the score, yes - because the presentation is a big part of the drink. There is 2x10 for the color since there are two states of the drink between which it has changed in color. The louche is in part a quite relevant factor and also says some things about the ingredients and character, which is noticable in aroma - and taste.

Believe me, this has been turned over and over and back again many many times.

The issue with blanches is the one thing that can seem strange, in the same time as it's not so strange. A blanche i supposed to be perfectly clear, if it's not, it gets a lower score. Of course, most will always score a 10 in color... This is also the one part of it all that I too am thinking of and trying to see if there is any other reasonable way to adjust that. Especially since there's now a lot of blanches available.

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post Dec 19 2007, 08:23 PM
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Initially I noticed a slightly off putting aroma in both the Artisinal and
the first run of the 1797 but after a few months that aroma
dissipated and they were both wonderful.

I say let them breathe and enjoy them in a month or so!


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post Dec 19 2007, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(mthuilli @ Dec 19 2007, 10:45 PM) *

The big difference we have with wine reviews is that we have blanches, they immediately score more for the color (i.e. translucent=10). And a lot of other differences.
And while we're on it, I do not agree with the score system, because:
1 - color/louche is 30/100 - 1/3 of the final score?
2 - aroma is 30 but taste is only 20 - which one is the most important?

My 2 cents.



In reviewing wine, white wines usually score full points or close to perfect on colour.

Aroma should absolutely receive more points than taste, because it is more important. This is true for wine, all spirits, and for absinthe.


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post Dec 19 2007, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE(hartsmar @ Dec 19 2007, 12:09 PM) *
I too am thinking of and trying to see if there is any other reasonable way to adjust that.
No need. It's not as if there is a contest for the highest-rated absinthe. As it stands, the numbers and text provide a sense of what the drink is like. That's all that should be expected of any review. Besides, all reviews should be taken with a grain of sugar anyway.


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post Dec 19 2007, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 19 2007, 02:37 PM) *
QUOTE(Jaded Prol @ Dec 19 2007, 12:47 PM) *

Sounds very good and I look forward to trying it. Seems like it'll benefit from a little aging.


It's already aged, the youngest part of the blend being 6 months old.


He just says that because he's old too. wink.gif


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post Dec 19 2007, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(Provenance @ Dec 19 2007, 02:10 PM) *

Besides, all reviews should be taken with a grain of sugar anyway.

And only one grain!


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post Dec 19 2007, 10:51 PM
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Better a grain in the review than the drink.


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post Dec 19 2007, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Dec 19 2007, 09:38 PM) *

In reviewing wine, white wines usually score full points or close to perfect on colour.

Seeing the nuances in white wines and the nuances in blanches, I'm not sure this is comparable.

QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Dec 19 2007, 09:38 PM) *

Aroma should absolutely receive more points than taste, because it is more important. This is true for wine, all spirits, and for absinthe.

This is where I'll always disagree.

QUOTE(hartsmar @ Dec 19 2007, 09:09 PM) *

Oh well. I'll have a drink now.

What you said abs-cheers.gif

As I said, it was my 2 cents, and fuck yes I'm french so that doesn't count.
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post Dec 19 2007, 11:13 PM
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He just says that because he's old too.


Some things are better with age. Absinthe is best after a year.








I, on the other hand just get more cantankerous.


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post Dec 20 2007, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE(Provenance @ Dec 19 2007, 02:51 PM) *
Better a grain in the review than the drink.

Indeed.

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post Dec 20 2007, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Dec 19 2007, 03:38 PM) *

Aroma should absolutely receive more points than taste, because it is more important. This is true for wine, all spirits, and for absinthe.


It's worth pointing out that I've never had an absinthe with a weak or bad aroma that tasted good, nor have a I had an absinthe with a fantastic aroma that tasted bad. The aroma reveals the most information about the beverage, it's what makes it appetizing or not.
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post Dec 20 2007, 12:14 AM
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QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Dec 19 2007, 12:38 PM) *

Aroma should absolutely receive more points than taste, because it is more important. This is true for wine, all spirits, and for absinthe.

In a wine scoring system, there is no before water/after water aroma scoring.

So, is the total percentage given to aroma greater with absinthe than with wine?

In all honesty, does it MATTER how it smells straight? Is anyone drinking it that way? I know I don't.


Absomphe, control yourself.


I'd prefer an absinthe that smelled like an old sweat sock straight that opened into a sunny alpine meadow of joy and beautiful music with the addition of water, than one which smelled delightful neat and only average when louched. I'd be spending a lot more time with the louched than the unlouched.


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post Dec 20 2007, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE(Jaded Prol @ Dec 19 2007, 11:02 AM) *

That's not muskiness, that's funk.


George Clinton would most likely argue that point with you.

I think that in the distiller's proofs that scent crossed the line into funk, but in the final versions it receded into musk, and in the PF 1901 it was particularly subdued, but you call 'em as you smell 'em, Komrade. abs-cheers.gif


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post Dec 20 2007, 06:57 AM
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QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 20 2007, 01:11 AM) *

It's worth pointing out that I've never had an absinthe with a weak or bad aroma that tasted good, nor have a I had an absinthe with a fantastic aroma that tasted bad. The aroma reveals the most information about the beverage, it's what makes it appetizing or not.

I've had both, hence my disagreement about aroma having to score more than taste.

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