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post Sep 12 2010, 12:05 PM
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Here's a pic of the CIP input with it's threaded DN40 connection (currently with a cap).

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So basically I need a threaded DN40 with 1" triclamp on the other end. Then I can just screw the connection together and tighten with the spanner wrench. Triclamp the hose to the end and I'm good to go. Does that sound right?

I need to make an order from McMaster anyway so I'll look for the buckle there.
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post Sep 14 2010, 12:36 AM
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post Sep 18 2010, 02:22 AM
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No, a "DIN40" is the metric equivalent of an 1 1/2" which in this country is an exotic which means exspensive. I would also avoid a triclamp aka a sanitary fitting they are very expensive. High end pharmaceutical companies generally avoid them as well because they are so exspensive. I would go with an ordinary raised face flange. In that size range there only 4 bolts and why waist your money on a sanitary connection when you are going to hook it to a hose anyway? In the end your going to use a hose clamp anyway, so you are not saving yourself any potential leaks. Have you considered hard piping and an old school manifold set up? This will save you leaks and is not very expensive.


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post Sep 18 2010, 08:52 PM
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Todd Leopold has been a professional in this industry for years. I trust his judgement.

In the equipment costs of a distillery, even on the very small scale of mine, the costs of an SS pump, some quality hose and connectors are miniscule. The calibrated hydrometers I use for proofing cost way more than this.


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post Sep 19 2010, 07:27 PM
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I suggested the sanitary triclamps for two reasons. One, they pop on and off in seconds, keeping DP from screwing around with bolts. And secondly, the pump I recommended is already fitted with triclamp connections. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to buy new fittings to connect triclamp to NPT fittings.

The smooth bore of the hose and the fittings ensures that there isn't flavor carryover from her absinthe to her, as an example, whiskey. This is just my opinion, but threads can lead to trouble.

Set up and tear down will be critical to DP as she grows. Because she's looking to make both absinthe and whiskey, she's going to have to clean that still an awful lot. 10-20 minutes of added set up or tear down time for CIP adds up, and adds up quickly. She needs to keep that still charged.

A manifold system would be, IMHO, much more expensive (those little ball valves aren't free)

All this is just my opinion. There's 1,000 ways to get to the finish line, obviously.

DP, you'll also need CC to weld a piece to get the drain that comes off the still to go to 1 1/2" triclamp, if you haven't already done so.

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post Sep 19 2010, 07:36 PM
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Personally, I think if she is serious about making both absinthe and whiskey on a regular basis she would be best served by using separate stills.


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If the whiskey takes off I bet she will.


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DP, you'll also need CC to weld a piece to get the drain that comes off the still to go to 1 1/2" triclamp, if you haven't already done so.


Yes sir. Had to work through all the details (since it's new to me). Sent them email to make the two DN40 to TC 1.5" adapters with DN40 nut to go along with it. The drain (on the still) also has the DN40 connector like the input side of the CIP.


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post Sep 20 2010, 03:46 AM
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QUOTE(Leopold @ Sep 19 2010, 03:27 PM) *

I suggested the sanitary triclamps for two reasons. One, they pop on and off in seconds, keeping DP from screwing around with bolts. And secondly, the pump I recommended is already fitted with triclamp connections. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to buy new fittings to connect triclamp to NPT fittings.

The smooth bore of the hose and the fittings ensures that there isn't flavor carryover from her absinthe to her, as an example, whiskey. This is just my opinion, but threads can lead to trouble.

Set up and tear down will be critical to DP as she grows. Because she's looking to make both absinthe and whiskey, she's going to have to clean that still an awful lot. 10-20 minutes of added set up or tear down time for CIP adds up, and adds up quickly. She needs to keep that still charged.

A manifold system would be, IMHO, much more expensive (those little ball valves aren't free)

All this is just my opinion. There's 1,000 ways to get to the finish line, obviously.

DP, you'll also need CC to weld a piece to get the drain that comes off the still to go to 1 1/2" triclamp, if you haven't already done so.

What is the pressure rating of the pump? When you're dealing with a spray ball if you do not have the appropriate pressure at the spray ball, whether it is static or mechanically actuated by the fluid pressure, it will not work properly. Of course when you are talking about pressure you must also consider pressure drop across the piping regime. The pressure at a pump discharge is not what you get at the end use.

Is the pump self priming? If it is not, what is the NPSH, and is appropriate for the situation? NPSH can be the difference between a pump that works (moves the liquid at all) and one that does not in the situation.

Is the pump a two piece (separated by a shaft)? The motor is the cheap portion of the pump.

Is the motor TEFC? An open motor sparks a bit and if it is in an environment where may be vaporized alcohol this could be an explosion issue. There are no governing agencies that deal with process equipment, like there is for building code.

Well that's just a few of the criteria to consider with a pump.

A RFF is not a NPT fitting.

Manifolds do not have to include valves or any expensive parts for that matter. If I recall the term is manifold panel.


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post Sep 20 2010, 12:34 PM
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Todd already gave the link to the pump, so I won't repeat it. But the motor is TEFC. The pump is self priming to 7.5 meters, pressure rating on the pump is 6 bar (87 psi), the spray balls work even with standard water pressure, the spray balls are not actuated by anything other than pressure.

A CARL still is not one of those cheap pieces of crap from EU that are sold to hobbyists.


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No, those would be made by Egrot.


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post Oct 15 2010, 07:13 PM
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That is a gorgeous still, Dakini - kudos!
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