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post Apr 18 2008, 12:58 PM
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Congratulations to Oxy, Ted, and the other scientists I've never met!
I just can barely imagine the amount of work that stays behind this paper…

I got just one question: in the 6th page, 16th line on the right, while discussing on the copper content of the pre-ban brands it says that only one exceed the 2mg/L limit with 6,59mg/L, and it's the Edouard Pernod. In the table 2 the sample with 6,59mg/L of copper is the P2, but in table 1 the P2 is Premier Fils and not Edouard Pernod… A typing error or am I wrong on something?


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post Apr 18 2008, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(mthuilli @ Apr 18 2008, 05:58 AM) *

I've read the article but I still find it bizarre to see such differences between the 6 PF :
P8 Pernod Fils, France, 1895–1905 1.4 2.2 3.6 0.1 2.4
P9 Pernod Fils, France, ca. 1910 6.8 41.5 48.3 31.5 3.1
P10 Pernod Fils, France, 1895–1905 0.9 0.6 1.5 nd 2.5
P11 Pernod Fils, France, 1895–1905 6.5 36.7 43.2 27.6 3.6
P12 Pernod Fils, France, 1895–1905 7.1 35.1 42.2 31.4 2.8
P13 Pernod Fils, France, 1895–1905 7.4 39.5 46.9 31.4 2.9

Oxy, is the "Pernod Fils, France, ca. 1910" the 'green' from the PF1914 cache?
I would have liked to see the composition difference between the 'green' and the 'feuille morte' from the same cache.


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post Apr 18 2008, 01:02 PM
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post Apr 18 2008, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE(Nephrite @ Apr 18 2008, 01:59 PM) *

You do realize you are a dying race?

You do realize you should better get the fuck out of this thread if it has no interest to you?

Sorry Oxy, let's try to keep that one on topic.

Edit: hem. . . except for G&C…
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post Apr 18 2008, 01:08 PM
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Thanks.

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post Apr 18 2008, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(mthuilli @ Apr 18 2008, 06:06 AM) *

QUOTE(Nephrite @ Apr 18 2008, 01:59 PM) *

You do realize you are a dying race?

You do realize you should better get the fuck out of this thread if it has no interest to you?
Let's try to keep that one on topic please.


On the contrary, I only wish I had been sober then I would not be posting at 6am! I agree, I have no place here except that i'm drinking. I'll beat myself silly in the late afternoon when I wake up. My apologies.


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post Apr 18 2008, 01:16 PM
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I think the variation reflects that this is/was a product made with actual herbs which not only vary from region to region but seasonally as well. There is much food for though in this article including the difference in more and less aged wormwood.


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post Apr 18 2008, 01:32 PM
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Congratulations on the publication of this important paper, David and Ted et al.!
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post Apr 18 2008, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(mthuilli @ Apr 18 2008, 05:58 AM) *

is the "Pernod Fils, France, ca. 1910" the 'green' from the PF1914 cache?
I would have liked to see the composition difference between the 'green' and the 'feuille morte' from the same cache.


From the materials and methods, it's clear that the PF1914 cache was not used for this study.

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post Apr 18 2008, 01:36 PM
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Thanks Oxy very nice and informative. I wonder sometimes how long libations such as preban will last on the shelf or in the cellar. It seems possible to me that after a while the chemical composition would start to brake down and things would change. It is for this reason that the study must have been very difficult to accomplish. Hats off to those that labored on this project.
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post Apr 18 2008, 01:39 PM
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Sadly you're right Spoon.

Though it doesn't mean it has not been tested, it just means it won't be published wink.gif
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post Apr 18 2008, 01:48 PM
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Congratualations, Gentlemen! abs-cheers.gif

This should definitely put the old myths to bed for almost everyone, except for that perrenial insomniac Dr. O, of course.

And those unscrupulous crapsinth dealers who make their living intentionally hyping those misconceptions.


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post Apr 18 2008, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(Poke Salad Papa @ Apr 18 2008, 06:36 AM) *

It seems possible to me that after a while the chemical composition would start to brake down and things would change.


According to Ted, a fairly comprehensive study was done involving the stability of the thujone molecule over time, and was found to be very high.


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post Apr 18 2008, 02:06 PM
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Let's hope this is another nail in the coffin of the Czech dreck.


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post Apr 18 2008, 03:20 PM
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