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post Apr 18 2008, 03:26 PM
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I have I theory about the two pernod fils that have very low thujon level :

They might be distilled in the before fire alambics (aka renault)so maybe those alambic were able to release very low thujon level. Those bottles(before the fire)that were stored in cellar has been drink because of the rupture of stock that could have happen . So that is maybe the reason why 2 bottles on 6 are low thujon so maybe the old renault still yield less thujon than the Ergot one.


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post Apr 18 2008, 04:05 PM
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It is notable that even for the same manufacturer, and more so between the different preban absinthe producers, a substantial variation in t-jone concentration is evident.
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Also notable is the fact that variability in the t-jone (and fenchone, etc.) content of different samples of the same brand, produced and bottled in the same facility, and from the same period has been observed. There are two possible explanations for this: (1) variability as a result of extrinsic influences during storage and aging and (2) variability at the time of original bottling (e.g., due to regional and seasonal variety, herb chemotype, drying conditions, or adjustment of recipes).

Any thoughts on the role distillation technique may play in differences in t-jone levels between brands?

Were the negligible t-jone levels in the Berger and Dechanet samples the result of random fluctuations in the herbs used or were the levels low because of their specific production techniques? While it's true that "it seems is illogical to claim that a definitive or fixed t-jone content threshold should be demanded from an absinthe" it's also true that regulatory authorities, particularly in the US, are quite particular when it comes to numbers.

If TTB were to accept the paper's finding that there is significant variability in t-jone levels from "different samples of the same brand, produced and bottled in the same facility" they may either demand far more extensive testing of absinthe or simply ban it again because they can't ensure that the bottles of any given brand remain below the arbitrary cut-off 10 mg/L.


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post Apr 18 2008, 04:17 PM
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post Apr 18 2008, 06:30 PM
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post Apr 18 2008, 07:22 PM
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You have misspelled "Indeed!™".


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post Apr 18 2008, 07:34 PM
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Better yet, given the reality that the legal threshold is arbitrary, based on misinformation and irrelevant to the safety of the product, they might drop the whole stupid mess or raise the legal limit to a more reasonable one.


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post Apr 18 2008, 07:47 PM
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Prole, "reasonable"? We're talking federal regulations here. C'mon. I'd love to think you're right, but what are the chances?


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post Apr 18 2008, 07:53 PM
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Prol has joined high tujon fraternity, no less than 40 mg/l evill.gif . Butt, seriously, will TTB fall over for it? If you make them perceive 20 mg/l as none, it would be a tremendous success in the U.S. What I am wishing fellow Americans wholeheartedly.


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post Apr 18 2008, 08:06 PM
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Anyone who manufactures/sells consumer wares understands the importance of product consistency. When dealing with a highly regulated product, that means not just maintaining a consumer perception of consistent quality but also consistent regulatory compliance.

The question remains as to whether certain techniques can be used to consistently produce high-quality, low t-jone absinthe even though there is going to be variability in the raw ingredients.

I tried that Dechanet and it was mighty tasty. There is no question that mass-produced HQ/LT absinthe was a reality. The issue is whether specific techniques can be applied to ensure that contemporary HQ/LT absinthe is consistently in regulatory spec -- irrespective of how ridiculous that spec may be.


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QUOTE(The Standard Deviant @ Apr 18 2008, 01:43 PM) *

Well done to everyone involved. I can appreciate the amount of effort to produce a paper like this.


I think we have to be immensely grateful to Oxy for taking one for the team in the interest of science: no doubt he was responsible for determining whether the contents of the bottles were "organoleptically consistent".

I mean, 15 different vintage absinthes! It's a dirty job, but someone had to do it.



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QUOTE(mthuilli @ Apr 18 2008, 01:58 PM) *

I would have liked to see the composition difference between the 'green' and the 'feuille morte' from the same cache.


If you read the article, you'll see the answer is "probably very little" (with citations to back it up), assuming the contents were from the same batch but aged differently.


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QUOTE(absinthist @ Apr 18 2008, 03:22 PM) *

You have misspelled "Indeed!™".

I continue to refuse to recognize any trademark on the word "indeed".


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You are sober shock.gif or what? You have misspelled it again.


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post Apr 18 2008, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(Zman @ Apr 18 2008, 05:06 PM) *

Let's hope this is another nail in the coffin of the Czech dreck.


You can all help facilitate the process by helping to spread word of the article in the blogosphere, either by referencing it in your own blog, or just as importantly, voting for it on Digg.

Remember: Vote early, and vote often.


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