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Cupcakes
post Mar 11 2012, 08:50 PM
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My father-in-law purchased what I think is a pre-ban bottle of Pernod Fils Absinthe. It is still corked, although part of the cork has broken off. It also still maintains a light green color. Can anyone tell me more about it? He would like to sell it, but we haven't the slightest clue about its history or value. Thanks!


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post Mar 11 2012, 08:54 PM
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post Mar 12 2012, 12:03 AM
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post Mar 12 2012, 01:29 AM
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Or rather, uncork it, louche it up, and get smashed!

I don't know the definitive answer to your question Cupcakes, but your bottle is the wrong color and lacks the PF seal that would indicate it might be genuine. It looks like someone made a copy of a genuine PF label for bottles sold in the U.S. market about 100 years ago (such as seen here) and made themselves a prop worthy of a Hollywood movie.

Of course, I could be wrong.
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post Mar 12 2012, 02:59 AM
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It could be (as I tell him in private) an distributor that purchase PF in barrel or demi john than bottle and label by himself … but ordered it white than color by himself … it could be anything …


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post Mar 12 2012, 09:08 AM
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I agree with EP, it could be anything unless you can find some historic reference to the molded bottle and that style lable. Drink it or sink it.
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post Mar 12 2012, 12:27 PM
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Well that is disappointing. Thank you for your help, I don't think we will try to sell it now.
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post Mar 12 2012, 12:28 PM
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so no value … if that bottle would have been real pernod it would worth somewhere between 1000 and 2000$ now we can't be sure on what it is

I hope that your father in law didn't purchase it over the range of 100$


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post Mar 12 2012, 03:11 PM
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From what I've read about Pernod, it doesn't seem like the sort of thing they would endorse, especially when the label has "Pernod" on it. It's pretty easy to make absinthe worse by coloring it.

If it is a fake, I wonder what absinthe they put into the bottle.

I wouldn't open it until Oxy weighs in on it.


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post Mar 12 2012, 04:11 PM
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T-cork? Looks HG to me.
All you can do now is opening it, measuring the alcohol % and getting it tested for ethanol, methanol & thuyone, unless you want to drink it now and wait for the next day to see if you're still alive or not.

You can still try louching 2-3cl but if the aroma and first sip are as odd as the color, sink it.
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post Mar 12 2012, 04:13 PM
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Almost certainly a contemporary fake, most likely bottled in back of a café (and if it came with a T-cork, that was put on much later, so contents are completely in doubt if it is even anyone's absinthe inside). By a certain time (or always?) Pernod fils didn't allow re-bottling. Very interesting regardless as this type of bottle and label rarely survived.

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Label says: Pernod fils (white or green) is sold only in bottles (which would have the original label). Any kind of change is a fraud.
However, it also says Pernod fils is always 72 degrees (percent alcohol), which we know isn't true…


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post Mar 12 2012, 04:28 PM
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Looks like there is a decayed cork in the bottle, though. Maybe the T cork was employed as a backup? None of that means it isn't fake, though. If it's modern, it could well be that there is no absinthe at all in it.


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post Mar 12 2012, 05:46 PM
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remind me what I did …


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post Mar 12 2012, 08:45 PM
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I can think of a forum where they would love for someone to register and mention that have an old bottle of preban absinthe for the American market.

The problems is that place is full of Skulduggeringscut-throatists.


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post Mar 12 2012, 08:47 PM
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Edouard started a thread about this bottle at the French forum.

One person remarked that the bottle was manufactured well after legal absinthe production ended in France.

Another said that the vertical mold marks place the manufacture of the bottle in the 1950s.

http://www.museeabsinthe.com/forums/index....amp;#entry43071


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