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post Apr 5 2012, 12:54 AM
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Only the seriously crazed will attempt it though.


Thank God for the alternatively-wired.


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post Apr 5 2012, 06:39 AM
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Seriously vivid stuff. The originals must be absolutely amazing.

I like the front window image. Seems an homage to older generation black-and-white photographer. When he wasn't photographing the windows of his studio he would travel far and wide with his cumbersome large format camera, undeterred that he had only one arm.

The alternatively-wired indeed. Though I'm less sure about the Gawd reference.


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post Apr 5 2012, 03:05 PM
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Moschops,

Do you know if anyone today is working with color carbon?


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post Apr 5 2012, 04:19 PM
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The printers on Jay's link are working today, unless some have recently landed themselves in the bug house.


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post Apr 5 2012, 05:52 PM
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Much of my method is cribbed from here… a real page-turner!


A carbon tree…
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post Apr 5 2012, 06:18 PM
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Now that's a cool pic. I would like to see the original.


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post Apr 5 2012, 07:29 PM
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Stunning.

I was talking to someone today about this conversation and she told me that she had just seen an exhibition with one (or more) images that were shown in both carbon and platinum. Same negative but completely different impact according to the printing technique, according to her. I may need to get off my ass and see this show.


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post Apr 5 2012, 08:06 PM
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You need to get off your ass and see the show.

Even as a jpg the tree print is just amazing.


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post Apr 5 2012, 08:38 PM
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The tree image is stunning, no doubt. And it's a jpeg. Which reinforces the point that if the image isn't worth shit it doesn't matter how you print it. If a photographer can't frame a shot then they can't make something worthwhile appear out of thin air in the dark room. It starts with the image, but of course it doesn't end there. Technical ability is to be applauded and can go a long way to enhance other capabilities and the requisite passion but it can't be a substitute for those other talents.

Yeah, I'll get off my ass and see the show.


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post Apr 5 2012, 10:46 PM
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…completely different impact according to the printing technique…

Indeed.  The iron processes (platinum, palladium, etc.) are often associated with the Pictorialists and so the tones, especially the highlights, are smooth & soft and shadows never reach absolute black. Carbon can provide the stark detail and full range tone that Group F/64 would approve of, though they would probably prefer them with no relief.

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It starts with the image…

Indeed, again.  There are good photographers, and there are good printers.  It's rarer to find good photographer/printers.  No printing process, no matter how well executed, can salvage a poor picture. You're just turd polishing. While poor printing can certainly drag down a great composition, a good photo is more resilient to less than perfect printing. If a song sucks, Abbey Road Studio won't save it. Then there is the bad photo/bad print combo, often created by young hipster artsy-fartsy wannabes, but it's hard to blame them--they know not what they are doing. The more dedicated among them will improve, the others will move on to suck at something else(and look fashionable doing so).

Printing takes up a lot of time and effort, and sometimes I have to put it down for a while so I can actually get out with a camera.


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post Apr 5 2012, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE(moschops @ Apr 5 2012, 06:46 PM) *

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…completely different impact according to the printing technique…

Indeed.  The iron processes (platinum, palladium, etc.) are often associated with the Pictorialists and so the tones, especially the highlights, are smooth & soft and shadows never reach absolute black. Carbon can provide the stark detail and full range tone that Group F/64 would approve of, though they would probably prefer them with no relief.

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It starts with the image…

Indeed, again.  There are good photographers, and there are good printers.  It's rarer to find good photographer/printers.  No printing process, no matter how well executed, can salvage a poor picture. You're just turd polishing. While poor printing can certainly drag down a great composition, a good photo is more resilient to less than perfect printing. If a song sucks, recording it at Abbey Road Studio won't save it. Then there is the bad photo/bad print combo, often created by young hipster artsy-fartsy wannabes, but it's hard to blame them--they know not what they are doing. The more dedicated among them will improve, the others will move on to suck at something else(but look fashionable doing so).

Printing takes up a lot of time and effort, and sometimes I have to put it down for a while so I can actually get out with a camera.


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post Apr 6 2012, 01:31 AM
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Pardon the double post above. I must have had a mini-stroke.

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post Apr 6 2012, 09:09 AM
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That is fucking dynamic. I have a visceral reaction of wanting to back up. Nicely composed.


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post Apr 6 2012, 02:31 PM
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Thanks. These trees make great subjects. They are up on a hill that is constantly blasted by Atlantic gales.


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post Apr 6 2012, 08:57 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hSXKjHDKkY


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