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delirium
post Jul 6 2012, 06:40 PM
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So I was curious to find out when the ban was lifted in different countries, and noticed wikipedia saying:

Most countries (except Switzerland) presently do not possess a legal definition of absinthe (unlike Scotch whisky or cognac). As such, producers are free to label a product 'absinthe' or 'absinth', whether or not it bears any resemblance to the traditional spirit.

So excepting at least Switzerland, they didn't simply ban absinthe, because there was no official definition of it, am I right? How was the ban defined? By regulating the allowed tujone content of the drink or what?

(I'd still like to know about the end of the ban in more detail.)


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post Jul 6 2012, 07:08 PM
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In the United States, the Food and Drug Act of June 30th, 1906, forbid the importation of consumable products either banned in the country of origin or considered to be harmful to health. The U.S. Department of Agriculture, on July 25th, 1912, in Food Inspection Decision 147, decreed that absinthe met both of these criteria and therefore could not be imported into nor sold within the U.S in interstate commerce. As to the end of the ban in the U.S.:
http://www.oxygenee.com/USDA-Absinthe-Policy-1912.pdf

Text in red added in July 25th edit.


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post Jul 6 2012, 08:08 PM
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Except for the CH, could someone just about piss in a bottle and label it 'absinthe"?

Sure seems to be the case with some brands anyway.


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post Jul 7 2012, 12:11 AM
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You can find a lot of info about the ban right here on the front.

http://www.oxygenee.com/absinthe/prohibition1.html
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post Jul 7 2012, 12:34 AM
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I took the question to be about how absinthe came to be banned in the absence of a legal definition of absinthe, the liquor. I'm not sure such definitions existed in the U.S. at the time (and a definition for absinthe in particular still doesn't), but in any case, no such definition was needed to ban it in the U.S. back then. It was banned as:
1. A consumable product which had been banned in its country of origin
2. A consumable product considered to be harmful to human health
It's the same sort of ban that can be implemented in the U.S. by the FDA today.

That "front" page at the absinthe museum is about the ban in France, which came after the bans in Switzerland and the U.S. The technicalities and legal fine points of both the ban and the lifting of the ban no doubt varied from one nation to the next, thus there is no short and easy answer to delirium's question. But in general, I'd say that when it came to banning, it was pretty well understood by all concerned in all countries back then that absinthe was an alcoholic extract of wormwood.


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post Jul 7 2012, 08:55 PM
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Switzerland had a legal definition of absinthe and substitute drinks before lifting the ban. See this thread. Funny thing is the ingredients list in the book mentioning 'thuyone' among herbs…


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post Jul 9 2012, 06:23 AM
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Thank you for the information. I'm looking for the years when the ban was removed in different countries.

QUOTE("wikipedia")
In 2000, La Fée Absinthe became the first commercial absinthe distilled and bottled in France since the 1914 ban.


QUOTE("wikipedia")
In May 2011 the French Absinthe Ban of 1915 was repealed following petitions by the Fédération Française des Spiritueux, who represent French distillers.


Does this mean that absinthe was first exported from France in 2000, and later sold in France in 2011, or what?

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In Switzerland, the constitutional ban on absinthe was repealed in 2000 during an overhaul of the national constitution, although the prohibition was simultaneously rewritten into ordinary law instead. That law was later repealed such that as of March 1, 2005, absinthe was made again legal in its country of origin.


And in 2005 in Switzerland?

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In December 2007, St. George Absinthe Verte, produced by St. George Spirits of Alameda, California, became the first brand of American-made absinthe produced in the United States since the ban.


2007 in USA?


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post Jul 23 2012, 03:39 PM
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You are not aware of these details?


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post Jul 23 2012, 05:31 PM
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I'm not. That Wikipedia page was largely the work of a long-time member here (I've forgotten his name - was it Ari?). It's more than likely accurate.


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post Jul 23 2012, 09:51 PM
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Ari était assez bęte.


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post Jul 23 2012, 11:38 PM
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Il était un des nôs.


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post Jul 24 2012, 04:59 AM
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Didn't he get tight and do knife tricks?


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post Jul 24 2012, 04:06 PM
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Et assez bęte.


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post Jul 24 2012, 06:20 PM
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I do believe The Lard™ was impressed.

Musta ben gud nahledge.


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post Jul 24 2012, 06:29 PM
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Comment on dit «noroM™» en français ?


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