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post Jul 24 2012, 09:25 PM
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So, technically, you think private citizens ought to have the right to own stinger missiles or other ground to air missiles, under the second amendment? I mean, they are "arms", right?


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post Jul 24 2012, 09:43 PM
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I think there was little to no standing army at the time of the Founding Fathers, so disarming the people was equivalent to a poorly-equipped military. Today we have a standing military and a government-armed militia, and it's up to them to protect me from threats that warrant the use of missiles in defense.


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post Jul 24 2012, 09:48 PM
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But you're not going to count on them to protect you against "small arms" threats?

As long as you allow the government the heavy stuff without giving the citizenry the right to equal fire-power then a basic argument for the right to bear arms is being eroded. No?


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post Jul 24 2012, 09:50 PM
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Nope. When seconds count, the nanny state is minutes away.


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post Jul 24 2012, 09:55 PM
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Oh, yeah, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria.

They all won with their righteousness and their small arms.

Never mind the big shadows.


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post Jul 24 2012, 10:08 PM
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But you're not going to count on them to protect you against "small arms" threats?

Depends upon the threat. An invasion, yes. A random thug, obviously not. But I don't need a missile for him.
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As long as you allow the government the heavy stuff without giving the citizenry the right to equal fire-power then a basic argument for the right to bear arms is being eroded. No?

Yes. All such rights started eroding before the ink on the Bill of Rights was dry. It was inevitable. But that doesn't mean it has to continue until the citizenry has nothing but sticks and rocks, which is how it would be if the gun control crowd had their way.
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Oh, yeah, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria.
They all won with their righteousness and their small arms.

You forgot George Washington and his ragtag crew.


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post Jul 24 2012, 10:15 PM
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I didn't forget George. Just seems that there aren't any dominant armies still using muzzle-loaders. Times have changed. And the shadows have grown.

As far taking care of thugs, some nations do it admirably with a rubber bullet constabulary. Imagine that.

Imagine…


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post Jul 24 2012, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE(Père Ubu @ Jul 24 2012, 02:50 PM) *

Nope. When seconds count, the nanny state is minutes away.

Au Canada ?


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post Jul 24 2012, 10:27 PM
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I've got nothing against rubber bullets.
"Nothing wrong with shooting, as long as the right people get shot" - Dirty Harry.
This is instructive:
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/2185...ould-be-robbers
Now what if old Sam had been in the theater that night? Maybe he gets killed before he can draw. Maybe he shoots Granny in the dark. But maybe, just maybe, he nails the freak before anybody else gets shot, or at least, fewer than the number who were shot. Increase the number of Sams in the theater, and we greatly tip the scales against the freak. Hell, if he knows that going in, he's not likely to even go in. But if all the law-abiding patrons are restrained from being armed? Then it's a foregone conclusion.


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post Jul 24 2012, 10:39 PM
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I don't want to take anybody's gun away. Certainly not if I'm going to walk the urban streets of Amerika late at night with my friends. I'd be reassured I have friends in Amerika that I can walk the streets with that have carry permits.

What bothers me is why Amerika is plagued with more gun violence than any other culture on the planet. Not talking about lunatics going on shooting sprees. That's been seen in a number of surprising places around the world. I'm talking about the inordinate amount of gun violence that takes place daily in Amerika.

Thugs? Doesn't every country, every culture, have thugs? Hooliganism, racism - that's universal. Sorry fucking statement about humans.

But you know what, there's something going on in Amerika that leads to more violent deaths by firearms than anywhere else in the world. That's a problem. Not the guns, per se. The culture that's behind so many people being killed by guns.


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post Jul 24 2012, 11:34 PM
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No argument there.
It's about mental health, for lack of better words.
We have to take a realistic look at what we are and strive to be what we ought to be.
Prohibition never accomplished anything but the creation of more criminals.
I read something about that freak's mother suspecting her son was behind it as soon as she heard about the massacre. Something not right with that.
On the true crime shows you see the murdered son's mother talking about what a nice smile he had, and how he had three nice children (no marriage to go with it, more often than not). And he was going to community college (while he wasn't ripping off a drug dealer and getting himself killed in the process).
People know when they're not right.
Time to deal with it instead of sweeping it under the rug and diverting themselves by watching Batman and hoping the next election will make things better.


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post Jul 24 2012, 11:52 PM
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Déménageons à la Belgique.


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post Jul 25 2012, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE(Artemis @ Jul 24 2012, 05:27 PM) *
I've got nothing against rubber bullets.
"Nothing wrong with shooting, as long as the right people get shot" - Dirty Harry.
This is instructive:
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/2185…ould-be-robbers
Now what if old Sam had been in the theater that night? Maybe he gets killed before he can draw. Maybe he shoots Granny in the dark. But maybe, just maybe, he nails the freak before anybody else gets shot, or at least, fewer than the number who were shot. Increase the number of Sams in the theater, and we greatly tip the scales against the freak. Hell, if he knows that going in, he's not likely to even go in. But if all the law-abiding patrons are restrained from being armed? Then it's a foregone conclusion.


I am not a "Pro-Gun" type of guy but I do approve of the way the old man turned the tables on those robbers.The guy did show some real courage there in that instance.
While you correctly pointed out that "It's about mental health, for lack of better words.", I am not so sure that having more guns is any kind of a reasonable solution to our society's mental health issues. We already have more than 300.000.000 privately owned firearms in this country, yet we also have extremely high violent crime statistics as well.


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One of the reasons for a great deal of our problems is that many of our citizens feel like they have no voice,
and that they simply don't matter. The less powerful we feel, the more vulnerable we feel. We see our
ass-clown leaders breaking the fucking law and getting away with it…there has to be a trickle-down. Don't even get me started on accountability…it seems to be a fading memory. Speaking of memory, we are defining
"short-term" memory as a society. How quickly we forget…as long as we can buy Pepsi, Cap'n Crunch and lotto tickets, other peoples' pain fades fast from our lives. I wish I knew what to do about it, other than just trying to do my best every day, setting good examples for my kids, and hoping everyone else does too.

More respect for the human condition is the only answer, and if our leaders lack this, we're in deep shit. They talk about caring, but clearly don't. This whole country used to be a free speech zone, and now that term is defined by a cyclone-fence cage 1/2 mile away from the event people want to protest. I'm too stupid to know any answers outside of my personal world (where my stupidity works just fine), and I'm at a point where I can't really believe anything I see or read. I guess they got us where they want us, and perhaps that's what's really the problem. Of course people will go nuts. They feel lost and out of control… some can handle it, others twist and morph. The next step for them is to show us that, just like the guy in CO did.

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post Jul 25 2012, 03:00 AM
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We already have more than 300.000.000 privately owned firearms in this country, yet we also have extremely high violent crime statistics as well.

Most of those guns are at home in the closet when the shit hits the fan.


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