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delirium
post Aug 18 2012, 02:46 PM
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I've been picking information from here and there and noticed that there are several versions of the origins of the formula of absinthe.

Here are some bits from the web:

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Dr. Pierre Ordinaire invented absinthe in 1792
on his death he supposedly left his secret recipe to Henriod sisters who then left it to Major Dubied (whose son-in-law was named Pernod)

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Major Henri Daniel Dubied was interested in Ordinaire's invention as an aperitif. He purchased what was reputed to be Ordinaire's original formula from two sisters named Henriod

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it is documented that Henriot sisters were making the drink before Ordinaire's arrival in the Val de Travers
according to swiss version of the story, it was Henriod sisters who wre the original inventors and Ordinaire was a scoundrel who stole the formula, selling it to Major Dubied, who in turn employed Henri Pernod, who would become Dubied's son-in-law

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it began with Abram-Louis Perrenoud, a distiller by trade, living in Couvet in Val-de-Travers.. Major Henri Dubied purchased the recipe from Perrenoud, employing Abram-Louis's son Henri-Louis who had learned the distilling trade from his father


which seem to give us few options of the route the recipe went:

Dr. Ordinaire -> Henriod sisters -> Major Dubied

Henriod sisters -> Dr. Ordinaire -> Major Dubied

Abram-Louis Perrenoud -> Major Dubied


Are there any reliable sources for the origin of the formula?




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post Aug 18 2012, 02:56 PM
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post Aug 18 2012, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(J.M. Legendre @ Oct 5 1984)
I employed William B. Wisdom to promote and advertise “Herbsaint”, having a very fertile mind, he prepared recipe books and all sorts of advertising material. He painted Herbsaint as being a most delectable drink and described the product in glowing terms.
Wisdom stated that the formula for Herbsaint was handed down from father to son and had been in the Legendre family for a long time.
I told him that this might be questioned but he said It is of no great importance.
As a matter of fact, I have never been questioned on this subject and I have never changed any literature
printed by me and by Sazarac. No one really cares how Herbsaint came about as they either enjoy it or do not enjoy this drink.


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post Aug 18 2012, 10:27 PM
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post Aug 19 2012, 12:29 AM
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it is documented that Henriot sisters were making the drink before Ordinaire's arrival in the Val de Travers
according to swiss version of the story, it was Henriod sisters who wre the original inventors and Ordinaire was a scoundrel who stole the formula, selling it to Major Dubied, who in turn employed Henri Pernod, who



If someone says "it is documented" , and don't you show any documents….
It ain't documented.
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post Aug 19 2012, 01:21 AM
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Are there any reliable sources for the origin of the formula?

I doubt it, but:
The sisters were named "Henriot".
Perrenoud, Perrenod, and Pernod are not really different names, but different spellings of the Pernod family name. Abram-Louis (born 1735) used both spellings in his lifetime, whereas his son Henri-Louis seems to have been of the generation during which it changed to Pernod for good.
Henri-Louis married the daughter of Mr. Dubied.
Abram-Louis was known to have written a book which contained a recipe for extract of absinthe.


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post Aug 20 2012, 11:17 AM
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Thanks for the clarification.


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post Aug 20 2012, 04:21 PM
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Et Dr.O n'existe pas.


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post Aug 20 2012, 05:28 PM
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What about N. Africa Arabs using A vulgaris to balance out Arak, and the euros immitating that, but with their own and fragrant artemesia, Aa?


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post Aug 20 2012, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(Artemis @ Aug 19 2012, 01:21 AM) *

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Are there any reliable sources for the origin of the formula?

Abram-Louis was known to have written a book which contained a recipe for extract of absinthe.

Yes, it appears that Abram-Louis' recipe is from 1794 or 1797. Most likely not THE original recipe, but as far as I'm aware, it's the earliest known publication of an absinthe recipe which was meant as a beverage, and not a medicinal aid. Here it is:


Extract of Absinthe

For 18 pots of eau-de vie
(approximately 34 litrers)
a large bucket of grand wormwood
2 handfuls of lemon balm
2 of green anise
same amount of fennel
some calamus
some mint

Colour:
1 handful of petite wormwood
same amount of hyssop
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post Aug 20 2012, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(Jack Batemaster @ Aug 20 2012, 04:21 PM) *
Et Dr.O n'existe pas.

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post Aug 20 2012, 05:51 PM
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Pierre, a surgeon, was born 11 September 1741. So we have Abram-Louis, Mr. Dubied, and Dr. Ordinaire, and the Henriot sisters, all of whom could have seen each other face to face. There's probably no way to know who low-balled whom for the sacred formula.


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post Aug 20 2012, 06:07 PM
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Pas Dr. O, mais Dr.O.

Il n'existe pas.


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post Aug 20 2012, 06:14 PM
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Peut-ętre il est un spectre, ou une marionnette, ou la marionnette d'un spectre, ou du spectre d'une marionnette.


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