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L'Assommoir
post Jun 29 2013, 05:53 PM
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I find these lines fun to interpret:

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Some godless wretch, with haggard eyes and pale,
Seeking the shame of brutal bagnios


Bagnio could be a French labor prison,
a Turkish bath house, or brothel

definition here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagnio


So if Saltius meant prison why would you seek it?
or if bath house, why brutal?
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post Jun 29 2013, 06:52 PM
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He doesn't mean to literally seek it - it's a metaphor for degradation. Absinthe addiction can lead to some nasty situations. Think of the period drawings that show some poor wretch going to hell, the green fairy's hand on his shoulder - that's the way I take it.


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post Jun 30 2013, 06:17 PM
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It looks like he means the degradation of the brothel.

I just read the "Flasks and Flagons" poems from Saltus
found them
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He makes the same 'bagnio' reference in the poem Gin:
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Dulling all confidence in God or kin
Thy woeful specter on humanity thrust
Invokes sad pictures of supreme disgust
A yelling harlot, or a bagnio's din.




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post Jun 30 2013, 07:28 PM
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Good find. I should have said "degradation through willful participation", as that's the key to it.


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post Jul 2 2013, 03:27 AM
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QUOTE(Artemis @ Jun 30 2013, 02:28 PM) *
"degradation through willful participation"

That's always been my weakness.


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post Jul 2 2013, 05:13 AM
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I prefer to think of it as a strength.


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post Jul 2 2013, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE(Artemis @ Jun 30 2013, 12:28 PM) *
I should have said "degradation through willful participation"


An interesting way of describing Jr. High.


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post Jul 2 2013, 08:08 PM
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Education is compulsory in the U.S. Attendance at school is, anyway. Which brings me to the recent boo-hoo about that witness in the murder trial in Florida. "Cursive" is the buzz word. People are giving her a pass because she can't read "cursive". They talk about it like it's a foreign language. It's handwriting. She can't read handwriting? Which means she can't write? She prints in block letters? But they haven't taught "cursive" in school for years, say the facilitators of ignorance. Strange, I remember learning a lot of things I wasn't FORCED to learn. Makes me wonder what they do teach, though - how to enter letters on a dinky little keyboard with an artificial fingernail?


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post Jul 3 2013, 02:44 PM
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I'm surprised more people don't write in cursive, particularly given how many speak it fluently.


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post Jul 3 2013, 05:23 PM
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Civilization's end began with the invention of the ball point pen.


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post Jul 3 2013, 06:50 PM
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Have you tried a Pilot Vanishing Point?
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post Jul 3 2013, 08:26 PM
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I really liked that movie.
Barry Newman, Cleavon Little & Dean Jagger.



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post Jul 3 2013, 08:35 PM
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The autopen must signify that civilization has now run its entire course. The end of the end.


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post Jul 3 2013, 08:40 PM
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La fin du mot.

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I'm surprised more people don't write in cursive, particularly given how many speak it fluently.


My father was fluent in cursive, both French and English.


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