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Artemis
post Aug 7 2014, 09:28 PM
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A missionary knock on the door
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The neighbor woman did make another attempt. The door was locked, forcing her to knock, which was fortunate, as the missionary work by then was on the wrong side of the door, so to speak.

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post Aug 7 2014, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE(Jaded Prole @ Aug 7 2014, 02:22 PM) *

Reminds me of a moment giving support to the wife of one of our brave enlistees stationed overseas.

If I recall correctly, that's called doing the Jody Grind.


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post Aug 7 2014, 10:54 PM
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For what it's worth, everybody involved in the sordid histoire I revisited was enlisted, or attached to an enlisted person, and overseas. There's more than one way to grind a Jody.


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post Aug 8 2014, 01:53 AM
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Have some absinthe but it makes too crazy dreams
Ain't it the truth.
But only, it seems, if you've either abstained for a few days, or have more than one.
Or maybe it's just me, and maybe it's only every now and again.
But I'll blame it on the absinthe.


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post Aug 8 2014, 04:31 AM
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It reflects who I am in my opinion of it, not Hemingway.

It sheds light upon both. Maybe you more than him, but that can't be helped - you know you better than you know him.


Certainly so. But, looking back, I've misjudged people because of my estimation of their work and conversely had my opinion of the work influenced by knowning (sic) the person behind it. Then there's always the problem of how well do I really know myself? Many have argued, occasionally with keen persuasion, that I am lacking, to varying extents, in that department.

People are by nature mutable. Occasionally inscrutable. Good work, too. The best accounting allows for well-intended ambiguity.


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post Aug 8 2014, 03:08 PM
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I've misjudged people because of my estimation of their work

Me too, but my opinion of Hemingway as a human being was always due to what I had read about him, not due to reading his books. I had never read any of them until I translated Benoît Noël's book about absinthe. It was so full of Hemingway references that I thought it prudent to do a little research, so I ordered the pertinent Hemingway books and read them. It was only then that I decided his writing wasn't all it was cracked up to be. To sum up, him being a great writer and being an asshole are two separate issues. I chirped up in this thread strictly on the asshole issue (it was in the vein of - "papa"? fuck "papa"! who cares to whom that asshole wrote?). But I decided to mention in passing that I didn't think he was a great writer, either. Certainly not unskilled, but overrated.


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post Aug 8 2014, 03:24 PM
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Most of it adolescent.


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post Aug 8 2014, 07:53 PM
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And adolescents need great writers, too. Or texts. Or something. Something I'm not about to supply.

I'll go on record as saying I've never read a book by "Papa" from cover to cover.

Drink it or sink it. Something like that. Life's too xort.

I'm just saying, never having met him, and barely having read him (not for want of opportunity) that I'd be open to having a drink with his like before I passed judgement on him as an individual. But it's likely I'd want to sink the social situation (if I were to pre-judge from the werk).


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post Aug 8 2014, 08:17 PM
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Read or not what you like. But would non-descendents of his who never even met the guy please stop referring to him as Papa?


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post Aug 8 2014, 08:24 PM
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Only if the next time we meet I can call you "my bitch".

Deal?


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post Aug 8 2014, 08:50 PM
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I may or may not be free to infer from Kirk's comment that what he had in mind was not that writing for adolescents is a bad thing, but that fully grown people celebrating writing for adolescents as great literature or identifying adolescent urges and hinjinx with machismo is not a good thing. I would prefer to see adolescents reading Richard Brautigan, also a disturbed individual, who ended his own life in the same way as did Hemingway, if they really must read something.


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post Aug 8 2014, 08:55 PM
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I'm in total agreement with your assessments. Wouldn't expectorate less.


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post Aug 8 2014, 09:51 PM
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Be you drunken ceaselessly.
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post Aug 8 2014, 10:42 PM
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Herningway : ancien, chauve, ennuyeux …


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