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post Aug 15 2014, 05:05 PM
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http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20140814-…overs-obsession


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post Aug 15 2014, 06:09 PM
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A rather limited listing compared with more convenient establishments, http://jackrosediningsaloon.com/rooms/whiskey-cellar/

On the other hand, if you choose to visit the People's Republic you probably take what you can get.


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post Aug 15 2014, 11:05 PM
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Beer Spirits ??

What is this thing I have never heard of?

Are they any good? Hard to come by?


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post Aug 15 2014, 11:50 PM
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Schenkerla and Aventinus are fine beers, no need for further processing.
But technically all whiskey starts with beer (fermented grain in water) of some sort.
The only difference here is that they started with finished beer, so the liquor is going to have hops in it, not necessarily a bad thing.
Schenkerla is smoked (maybe not all of it, but they're known for that) and Aventinus makes a wheat beer with a typical German wheat beer profile (clove / bubblegum).




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post Aug 16 2014, 03:38 AM
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Beer concentrate? Like frozen O.J. in a can?


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post Aug 16 2014, 06:31 AM
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"Rauch" means smoked, in German, so the Schlenkerla offerings are distilled from smoked beer. But then, if they have any non-smoked beers I missed them when I was there. As I missed these beer spirits (beer brandy, bierbrand, bier schnapps, eau-de-vie de bière, pivní pálenka) as well. Reason enough to go back. I love beer spirits. They fill the void when the void isn't big enough to contain the heft and volume of beer. It won't make you *Belch*. Although I'd be curious to see what varieties might be found in Belgium.


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post Aug 16 2014, 11:23 AM
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I recall tasting a beer spirit in Allentown; more like a brandy than a whiskey as I recall, mild tasting and floral. No hops in evidence.


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post Aug 16 2014, 11:59 AM
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The part of the hop plant which is used to flavor beer is the flowers. Many hop varieties impart floral notes. Many floral notes carry over well during distillation. Many bitter notes do not. (But you knew that.)

Beer brandy derives from grain, most often malted barley such as what is used for whisky. But it's a white dog, without all the heavy wooden notes of barrel aging. And softened by the infusion of an herbal floral quality. Well distilled it's not harsh like the idea some have of unaged whisky. On the one hand, barrel aging smoothes whisky, but it also adds tons of flavors post distillation. Eau-de-vie de bière to my palate has little in common with any fruit eau-de-vie I've ever tried. Beer schnapps reminds me of nothing else so much as it reminds me of beer. I'd be curious to try one that's been barrel aged. I may have to find some oak chips.


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post Aug 16 2014, 12:19 PM
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I prefer it to drinking undistilled mash. I never would have associated the sample I had with beer and was surprised to find out what it was but I certainly liked it. What beer is most often distilled in Bohemia?


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post Aug 16 2014, 12:20 PM
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I got a bottle of White Dog™ once. I enjoyed the first sip quite a bit more than the last.


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post Aug 16 2014, 01:37 PM
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Lager is the default beer in Bohemia, as it is by-and-large in Germany (and most other places, generally speaking, as far as it's the German idea that's responsible for its popularity). Produce a lot of beer and some of it is bound to wind up in the still. I'm surprised it hasn't made more of an inroad with the craft movement(s).


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post Aug 16 2014, 01:53 PM
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White dog with that Amerikan penchant for corn is usually a bit of a different animal. The second product listed in that article is straight-up beer spirits, though. Probably calling it what it is isn't a good marketing technique in Amerika.


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post Aug 16 2014, 02:09 PM
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Dunno. Mine was of the Buffalo Trace origin. Not bad I suppose, not really my thing though.


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post Aug 16 2014, 03:20 PM
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Actually, the part of the hop used in beer is a strobile, more like a pine cone than a flower.
I remember something at Allentown labeled (actually, written on the bottle with a Sharpie) "the shit nobody will drink" or some such, but maybe that wasn't the beer spirit.


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post Aug 16 2014, 03:23 PM
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Beer concentrate? Like frozen O.J. in a can?

In the sense that distillation removes water, yes.



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