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> America's First Cocktail: Was It The Sazerac?, (Somewhat related to absinthe)
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post Feb 17 2015, 10:04 PM
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post Feb 17 2015, 10:29 PM
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The word 'cocktail' was first defined in print in 1806 as a mix of spirit, water, sugar and bitters


Depends on what you call defined. I've seen that reference - it claims there's a drink known as a cocktail, and it gives a sketchy description of the contents. Not exactly defined. And even if the drink had been defined in that reference, the DERIVATION of the WORD was not explained. The Peychauds came to New Orleans in 1795. They served alcoholic drinks in egg cups. The French word for egg cup sounds so much like "cocktail" as to make almost no difference to the casual listener. I don't care who invented what, but to imagine that the word "cocktail" came from anything but a French egg cup is like standing in the ocean and searching for water.

Occam's Razor, and all that.
If someone shows me an alternative explanation of the word that makes ANY sense at all, I'll consider it.


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post Feb 19 2015, 10:48 AM
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The first documented use of the word "cocktail" (meaning a drink) was in 1798.

Interesting that the Sazerac may have been NOLA's cocktail in the 1850's, but there is no reference to the Sazerac in any contemporaneous cocktail recipe books. The first printed reference to "how to make" a Sazerac was in William T. "Cocktail Bill" Boothby's 1908 The World's Drinks and How to Mix Them (albeit this documents a recipe from pre-1889).
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post Feb 19 2015, 05:50 PM
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[quote name='Artemis' date='Feb 17 2015, 02:29 PM' post='210953']

[quote]The word 'cocktail' was first defined in print in 1806 as a mix of spirit, water, sugar and bitters.

The French word for egg cup sounds so much like "cocktail" as to make almost no difference to the casual listener.
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Artemis, could you please post the French word for "egg cup"? Thanks.


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post Feb 19 2015, 11:36 PM
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http://www.forvo.com/word/coquetier/


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post Feb 20 2015, 12:11 AM
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Thanks for the link, Alan.
The connection to the French language in the 1798 article is compelling.


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post Feb 20 2015, 09:43 AM
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A very definitive article on the Sazerac here.

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post Feb 20 2015, 07:16 PM
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I'm not sure the word "definitive" is rightfully subject to adverbials, but I see your "very" and raise you a "here's some more".

http://www.robertfmoss.com/p/i-will-warn-y...-that-this.html

As for the Sazerac, if I could have absinthe, why the hell would I want some other drink that only smells sort of like someone previously drank absinthe out of the same glass? It could have been invented by Tom Cruz, for all I care.



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post Feb 21 2015, 12:37 PM
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Yes, that's a good link too.

I understand why people who love the classic drip way to drink absinthe are not so fond of some cocktails made with just a rinse or a dash or two of absinthe. On the other hand, I do see people start to like absinthe when they try it in historic cocktails such as The Sazerac or the Corpse Reviver 2, and they then move to cocktails with more absinthe. Of course some people may never get to enjoy absinthe in the traditional way.
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post Feb 22 2015, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(Artemis @ Feb 19 2015, 03:36 PM) *


That's a really cool site, thanks!


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