Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Do you know what your drinking?
The Fée Verte Absinthe Forum - The Oldest, Largest, Most Authoritative Absinthe Forum. > The Monkey Hole > Under the Bridge
Pages: 1, 2, 3
The_Master_Alchemist
I like many other people have a theory.
Now being a theory, means that everything i say is hypothetical and that means i have no intention of making my own form of absinthe. Let me Explain.

As im sure you all know Absinthe, along with many other forms of ALCOHOL, has a very high alcohol content, expressed in % by volume.
Now, i have never seen a bottle of commercial absinthe before in my life so,
I wouldnt know what absinthe was if it fell on my head guillotine.gif

Now i reckon that this procedure could be done one of 2 ways. COULD, MAY, MIGHT! ALL HERESAY!

Now hypothetically speaking, if one fermented a form of sugar by aid of some form of yeast, then alcohol could be created with a little help from H20 & Time.
In addition if you distilled that mixture, then its possible you could obtain a high volume of alcohol...BUT i have heard of another form of fermentation that involves naturally occuring substances like fruits, vegetables and organic matter for example. Now, hypothetically speaking If one was to distill a mixture of fermented apples for example, then i am fairly confident that you could still obtain the same high alcohol content, BUT you would have a very DIFFERENT tasting end result as opposed to a sugar/yeast fermentation.
Which brings me to my next point; I am willing to bet my cheese and crackers, that a alcohol derived from a naturally occuring piece of fruit, would taste a hell of a lot better than an artificially occuring substance such as yeast.
SOO, if one was to be involved in a raging debate, as to what the best absinthe in the land is/was, one could assume that a naturally distilled version would be tastier and have a much better palate than an artifically distilled version.
So..back to the original question; Do you know what your drinking? Are you sure your sure?? high.gif

spam.gif DISTILLING YOUR OWN ALCOHOL IS ILLEGAL IN MOST COUNTRIES AND CAN BE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH guillotine.gif DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!!
bobw.gif






Oxygenee
Thank you for sharing your groundbreaking "yeast free fermentation" hypothesis with us here in the Vintage Absinthe section. I read your innovative proposal to use fermented fruit as the basis for an alcohol with great interest - I've always wondered what to do with the many tons of grapes we produce each year on our farm here, and your proposal might just have given me a solution to the problem.

Have you considered posting your insights on that marvellous website, www.absinthebuyersguide.com? I think someone of your stature might find the intellectual milieu there even more congenial.
The_Master_Alchemist
Unfortunately i am not as smart as you MAY think i am, because i am getting mixed messages regarding your comment oxygenee. By that i mean im struggling to work out whether it was a sophisticated compliment and a subtle hint, or you were trying taking the piss outta me blink.gif
Despite what people may think, i am an uneducated teenager who only knows how to make booze & drugs. Pretty sad if you think about it alien2.gif
the words milieu and congenial mean nothing to me ph34r.gif...unfortunately

thegreenimp
Be sure and ask for Slake. headbonk.gif
Artemis
QUOTE
By that i mean im struggling to work out whether it was a sophisticated compliment and a subtle hint, or you were trying taking the piss outta me


He referred you to a forum dominated by idiots and thieves and said you might be more at home there. And he wasn't commenting about your honesty.

You might want to lose that moniker, too, you wear it like a beanie with a propeller on top.
I_B_Puffin
I wish Don was here to field this question. I'm to civil to say what I want to say.

"I am willing to bet my cheese and crackers, that a alcohol derived from a naturally occuring piece of fruit, would taste a hell of a lot better than an artificially occuring substance such as yeast."

Is this for real? shock.gif

The_Master_Alchemist, go learn what fermentation and distillation are.
thegreenimp
QUOTE (Artemis @ Nov 15 2003, 08:54 AM)
You might want to lose that moniker, too, you wear it like a beanie with a propeller on top.

w00t2.gif ... w00t1.gif
Wolfgang
That must be Head trolling around.... ;-)
Brett
Yeast is an artificially occuring substance?
Balzdeep
Yeah, tell that to any gal with a yeast infection.... cat2.gif Shrimp.gif
Rimbaud
I am at a loss for words. What a NOROM!!!!!!
BlackJack
Not only that, he posted it twice. I was tempted to actually explain it all too him, but I couldn't figure where to start...
Kallisti
Or where to post.
Donnie Darko
QUOTE (The_Master_Alchemist @ Nov 14 2003, 08:24 PM)
one could assume that a naturally distilled version would be tastier and have a much better palate than an artifically distilled version.


...DISTILLING YOUR OWN ALCOHOL IS ILLEGAL IN MOST COUNTRIES AND CAN BE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH

Well, actually I would encourage you to make artificially distilled alcohol at home. In fact you'd probably win a fucking Nobel prize since science has yet to invent such a method. I'm also sure that would be perfectly legal since it wouldn't involve any actual distillation.

I also suspect that naturally manufactured Sky Hooks and camouflage paint are better than artificially manufactured ones.

Good luck, champ!
Donnie Darko
BTW, thank you very much for your post Master Alchemist, I was getting a little bored.
Icarus
I would like to thank the master alzheimest for the truly ignorant post. While I found your post to be completely forgettable, Oxy's reply was one of the most humorous I've read in a while.

Thanks norom for bring out the genius in us!

leglamp.gif -- it's french, it says "Fra gil e".
Pataphysician
Forgetable? I, for one, will always cherish that first line, Master Alchemist: "I like many other people have a theory." As far as I'm concerned, that alone has secured your place here. From now on, I'm going to preface my every utterance with that: "I like many other people have a theory..."

Pataphysician
I like! Many other people have a theory.

I like many other people. Have a theory.

I like (many other people have) a theory.

I like many. Other people have a theory.

Kirk
He is just a kid you guys.
Thank you Master Alchemist for your post on fruit verses yeast . As you can see by the overwhelming response, yes fermented fruit does taste better [to most of us] than plain old sugar shine. However the closer you get to pure alcohol the less you can taste the difference.
I would like to thank you also for not mentioning th-jone in your first post.
Please read the FAQ section of this forum.
As far as your words: less is more.
crosby
Thanks Oxy, I haven't laughed that hard in a while.
BlackJack
I have a theory, that it's a demon, a dancing demon...nyah, something isn't right there...
Felis Catus
Dear The-Master-Alchemist

As someone already attested,yeast is a naturally
occuring substance,and it can be beneficial(it
helps make great sourdough bread) or a vile
irritant. looking-up.gif Tombstone2.gif shock.gif

I do love fruit,though,and maybe you can manufacture some ultra-bright colored tutti
frutti absinthes and market them in plastic sippy-
topped bottles.If absinthe ever becomes legal,
these should go over well at AM PM's and 7-11's.

Cheeze N Crackers are yummy,too.Have you
tried that soft processed cheeze-food product
that has veins of port wine in it? How about the
same with fruit flavored absinthe instead of
the flourescent red wine?

I am just being playfully mean - dev.gif headbonk.gif
w00t1.gif

Your concoctions sound like true alchemy would be
needed,but I like your name.Alchemy is a lost
art -share some more of your secrets sometime! ZombieHand.gif Present-2.png


looking-up.gif (the felis catus variety)

"Nothing matters" Ambrose Bierce
The_Master_Alchemist
I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH'S, IF U DROPPED AN ECCY, ATE SOME GOLD TOPPERS AND THEN WHACK 35 UNITS OF METH!!
YOU FUKN TRY IT AND TELL ME HOW YOU END UP
I BET YOU WONT BE SNIGGERING THEN!!!
GET OF YOUR HIGH HORSES...U HAVE ABSINTHE, SO DO I NOW. I ALSO HAVE NARCOTICS, AMPHETAMINES, HALLUCINAGENS, TRYPTAMINES AND DISASSOCIATIVE ANESTHETICS...ENJOY YOUR LIFE PPLS I KNOW I WILL!
Head_prosthesis
QUOTE
I have pornographic
movies in my apartment, and lubricants and amyl nitrate ...


Head_prosthesis
Georgie?

Gabrielle?

One the hundreds of teenage boys who've been shot down with their ridiculously sad claims of drug induced wisdom?

Lemme guess, next is I HATE MYSELFFUCK YOUALL IM GONNA KILL MYSELF ON LARGE AMOUNTS OF VICODENE AND VODKA! THAT AN ALL THE OXY THAT OPIESMOKES SOLD OVER THE EBAY!!!!
thegreenimp
QUOTE (Head_prosthesis @ Nov 22 2003, 09:20 PM)
Georgie?

Gabrielle?

One the hundreds of teenage boys who've been shot down with their ridiculously sad claims of drug induced wisdom?

He is just depressed because Mikey Jackson got arrested.
Kirk
[Dude you better wake up, you are going nowhere fast. Every one I know [knew ] who ever did meth,[for an extended period of time] ended up so insane they never came out of it. Once you fry your brain ,there is no coming back. People I thought were fine, turned into raving lunatics. It will make an innocent school girl into a common whore , turn a reknown speaker into a stinking boar. Wake up you idiot, I do'nt want my tax money supporting you when your brain turns to jelly.
rjordan
((((((((((( QUOTE (The_Master_Alchemist @ Nov 22 2003, 05:24 PM)
I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH'S, IF U DROPPED AN ECCY, ATE SOME GOLD TOPPERS AND THEN WHACK 35 UNITS OF METH!!
YOU FUKN TRY IT AND TELL ME HOW YOU END UP
I BET YOU WONT BE SNIGGERING THEN!!!
GET OF YOUR HIGH HORSES...U HAVE ABSINTHE, SO DO I NOW. I ALSO HAVE NARCOTICS, AMPHETAMINES, HALLUCINAGENS, TRYPTAMINES AND DISASSOCIATIVE ANESTHETICS...ENJOY YOUR LIFE PPLS I KNOW I WILL! ))))))))))))




M.A. stop being so dramatic. If you truly do have these talents then put them to good use. Then people will recognize them for what they are and give you the proper attention that you need.

You should have read through this site first to learn what you were dealing with. If you can't take the heat then stay out of the proverbial kitchen. Whatever you do though, do not do anything crazy. I repeat do not do anything crazy. This site is for fun and enjoyment. And the occasional ribbing for someone posting something stupid. Everybody gets it if they deserve it.

So sit back and take a few deep breaths and relax. Here's something for you to enjoy. boobs.gif
BlackJack
QUOTE (The_Master_Alchemist @ Nov 22 2003, 05:24 PM)
I ALSO HAVE NARCOTICS, AMPHETAMINES, HALLUCINAGENS, TRYPTAMINES AND DISASSOCIATIVE ANESTHETICS...ENJOY YOUR LIFE PPLS I KNOW I WILL!

I've got rhythm, I've got music, I've got my gal, who could ask for anything more?!

But really, I wish I was as cool as you.
BlackJack
QUOTE (kirk @ Nov 23 2003, 09:15 AM)
Every one I know [knew ] who ever did meth, ended up so insane they never came out of it. Once you fry your brain ,there is no coming back.

Oh bullshit. I can pretty well guarantee you that I've seen more meth go into more people than you can hope to (we were meth fiends when country wan't cool), and, as drugs go, it is pretty benign. Nothing on the level of heroin or crack, in terms of addictive properties or psychological damage, and it can't hold a candle to alcohol in terms of systemic organ damage. I can only think of two people I know who seriously fucked themselves over, and they were well on their way to fucking themselves over before they ever touched the stuff. Honestly, consider the serious quantities of hard drugs that moved through my circle of friends, the astonishing fact is that there ended up being FAR more alcoholics than drug addicts.

I'm not saying doing meth is cool. I never had a taste for the stuff, myself, and OBVIOUSLY people who are self-destructive can destroy themselves with any convenient means. But methamphetamine in and of itself is NOT a horrifically dangerous substance, unless you're trying to MAKE it. It's not going to turn anybody's brain into jelly unless they take so much that they induce hyperpyrexia, or they forget to eat and sleep occasionally. Unlike, say, cocaine, the pharmacokinetics of amphetamines make them somewhat self-limiting. A cocaine binge can be sustained almost indefinately. With amphetamines, you WILL crash, eventually, no matter how much you take, so the reinforcement of drug-seeking behavior is not as strong as with cocaine.

Again, this is not saying that it is risk-free, or a good idea. Moreover, it is horribly illegal and makes the baby Jesus cry. And it has nothing to do with absinthe in the slightest. I just hate to see government propeganda taken as medical fact.
Kirk
[Black Jack I am not going to argue with you on this , and your right about alcohol. I am a little older than you though and many of my Friends are dead now. They aren't all dead from speed but
Speed kills, this is not government propaganda as you put.
It's hard to tell someone like me about drugs you see , I will leave it to your imagination why. Speed may not be worse than some of the other drugs you mentioned but it does[can,will] cause permanent psychosis , if you don't understand this then you haven't been around as much as you think you have. Give it time , if you have Friends doing it you will see . Also the ease at which you can become addicted to a drug says nothing about how harmful it is . Heroin is easy to become addicted to yet is relatively harmless , physical compared to something like alcohol. Speed on the other hand may not be as addictive but is extremely harmful. If you have ever heard of or seen cocaine psychosis, then you should understand amphetamine induced psychosis. government propaganda is the last thing you will hear out of my mouth.
.......... HAIL DISCORDIA.
Balzdeep
Hmm, seems like amphetamines tend to cause arrhythmias, extremely high blood pressure, and several cardiac myopathies as well, if memory serves me right. Ah hell, but what's a heart attack, stroke, chronic kidney disease, pulmonary embolisms, etc...What doesn't kill ya makes ya stronger!
grey boy
I had something cool to say but then the posts got too long and I got bored, I need some meth......
Donnie Darko
QUOTE (kirk @ Nov 23 2003, 04:54 PM)
Heroine is easy to become addicted to yet is relatively harmless , physicaly  compared to  something like alcohol.

I guess you're right that female heros are addictive and relatively harmless.

If you're referring to heroin though, it depresses hepatic function, your respiratory and excretory systems far more severely than alcohol, though the amount of physical organ damage sustained isn't as severe as alcohol.
Kirk
QUOTE (Donnie Darko @ Nov 24 2003, 06:54 AM)
Heroine is easy to become addicted to yet is relatively harmless , physicaly  compared to  something like alcohol. [/QUOTE]


though the amount of physical organ damage sustained isn't as severe as alcohol.

I wish I da said dat.
Felis Catus
I think most drugs should be legal(there are
some,like PCP,that are almost guaranteed to
cause psychotic rage and probable harm to others-
I'm not so sure about these).

Sell them very cheaply over the counter,to discourage competition from street dwelling dealers.
Use any profits to set up clinics for those who
become addicted but have no insurance or money
for treatment.

People will get whatever they want if they want it badly enough,and the fact that drugs are illegal
has caused gang wars,the deaths of innocent
people,even children,caught in the crossfire,
and prisons filled with drug users when room is needed for the real nasty types like the murderers,rapists,and child molesters.

Besides,I do'nt like the government telling people
what to do with their bodies and brains.Remember
prohibiton.People who wanted alcohol badly
enough got it,and the "mobs" got involved ,
creating crime where none was before.

Most drugs can be bad,good,or neutral,depending
on how they are used.Some drugs are also
used as medicine(morphine,cocaine)and some medicines can become drugs if used without
discretion.All are drugs, anyway. "Drug'' is not
a dirty word,except to the government and
the uninformed.I am not saying I know alot
about all the various drugs out there and their
side-effect,but I do believe this much.

As far as heroin being harmless,it may be as long
as users continue to use it,but when they try to
go off of it that is another story.I helped two
friends withdraw from heroin.Luckily they were
well off enough to buy "good"drugs through
a dealer to ease the pain,but they were bed-
ridden for most of a week,knocked out most
of the time,and in great physical pain much of
the time.One of my friends was also fired for smoking at work,because he could'nt get through
the day without it.I do'nt know if drugs were
legal, if employers would still have to keep
people employed if they found out someone
was using.



looking-up.gif
Felis Catus
The Master Alchemist

Like someone else said,calm down. hula-1.gif Personally,I told you I was only playing at being mean-if you want to make alcohol from fruit,go ahead,but like others have told you,you are not likely to get good absinthe from your recipe.

If you are using all those drugs,I think it would be
best to at least use them seperately.If you
are using them in combination and they have made
you as paranoid as you sound,perhaps it would
be best to at least ease off. blink.gif

If you can only afford absinthe very occasionally,
then something very good once in awhile is
better than dangerous swill available any time
you like.Listen to what people here are saying.
I will only be able to have absinthe occasionally
also,but at least I will have a pleasant experience
then(depending on what I try,I suppose.)

Go to the Absinthe Buyer's Guide,pick something that sounds nice,and save up.Maybe use
some of what would usually be your drug money.

Most people here are not out to get you;they just do'nt want you to be stupid spam.gif for your
own sake Tombstone2.gif and for selfish reasons,
as well.No one wants the bad press of someone
"ODing" on a vile concoction-absinthe in name only.

Peace,brother.... w00t1.gif

looking-up.gif


Kirk
QUOTE (Felis Catus @ Nov 24 2003, 10:01 AM)
Besides,I do'nt like the government telling people
what to do with their bodies and brains
Most drugs can be bad,good,or neutral,depending
As far as heroin being harmless,it may be as long
as users continue to use it,but friends withdraw from heroin.Luckily
well off enough to buy "good"drugs through
a dealer to ease the pain,but they were bed-

Your right about heroweeeen, even when you quit untill the day you die ,, no matter if you live for ever , you can never , will never forget it's embrace.
In my opinion; stick to herbs , the original self limiting drugs. Of course then again , tobakky is herb. oh and :



FELIS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!
Jack Batemaster
QUOTE (The_Master_Alchemist @ Nov 22 2003, 05:24 PM)
I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH'S, IF U DROPPED AN ECCY, ATE SOME GOLD TOPPERS AND THEN WHACK 35 UNITS OF METH!!
YOU FUKN TRY IT AND TELL ME HOW YOU END UP
I BET YOU WONT BE SNIGGERING THEN!!!
GET OF YOUR HIGH HORSES...U HAVE ABSINTHE, SO DO I NOW. I ALSO HAVE NARCOTICS, AMPHETAMINES, HALLUCINAGENS, TRYPTAMINES AND DISASSOCIATIVE ANESTHETICS...ENJOY YOUR LIFE PPLS I KNOW I WILL!

Mom? Is that you???
Donnie Darko
QUOTE (Felis Catus @ Nov 24 2003, 10:01 AM)
I think most drugs should be legal(there are
some,like PCP,that are almost guaranteed to
cause psychotic rage and probable harm to others-
I'm not so sure about these).........

.....the day without it.I do'nt know if drugs were
legal, if employers would still have to keep
people employed if they found out someone
was using.



looking-up.gif

What's up w/ your line breaks man?
Some sort of iambic pentameter lurking in there?
Kallisti
QUOTE
Your right about heroweeeen, even when you quit untill the day you die ,, no matter if you live for ever , you can never , will never forget it's embrace.


Hell, cigarettes will do that to you. I'm telling you, you gave me one now, I'd have an entire pack down in a couple of hours.

QUOTE
In my opinion; stick to herbs , the original self limiting drugs. Of course then again , tobakky is herb. oh and :


Oh, and er, opium is too. There have been several cases were ex-junkies thought that poppy tea would be a safe way to live the old life. DOH! Back to re-hab!
Herr Hepcat
QUOTE (Head_prosthesis @ Nov 22 2003, 07:18 PM)
QUOTE
I have pornographic
movies in my apartment, and lubricants and amyl nitrate ...

Thanks Cloie
Kirk
You are right about smoking I was a pack a day + [Marlboro reds 20 years] and the last time I quit was 5 years ago. I still dream about doing it.
Never did heroin , but back in the late 70s I used to get some pretty good opium,and I never forgot that.
I guess it's best not to do any drugs, but some how life just is'nt like that. Probably the saddest deaths I have seen among my freinds were from prescription drugs , alcohol , ciggs, speed ,cocaine. In that order.
All my freinds are either dead or in jail [ just kidding], some of them are on the road , a few are seeking [or is that in a ] asylum.
Pataphysician
When my dad was trying to quit smoking he asked his Uncle how he had done it. My great uncle had started smoking when he was about 12 and quit when he was about 50. He said "You gotta just quit cold turkey. I just woke up one day and said I'm never gonna have another cigarette." Now he was about 90 years old.
My dad said: "Do you ever think about having one?"
"Every Goddamn day."
Kallisti
That is pretty much what I did. But I did it 4 times. The last time worked.

heart.gif Being happy helped heart.gif

And I remember, more than a few years ago going to a party where every one there was someone I had known as a teenager. We started going through an old photo album. Nearly everyone we wondered "where are they now" was either dead (usually drugs), a whore, or missing for the above reasons. It is very sad.

Though one guy had fallen off Mount Everest, we thought that was, if not the scariest way to go, at least the coolest.

And then I made the mistake of going to my 10 year HS reunion and seeing who was left standing. Ick.
Kirk
QUOTE (kallisti @ Nov 24 2003, 01:25 PM)
That is pretty much what I did. But I did it 4 times.
heart.gif Being happy helped heart.gif

. Nearly everyone we wondered "where are they now" was either dead (usually drugs), a whore, or missing for the above reasons. It is very sad.


We must be in the same age group ,K!
And your right ; cold turkey is the only way one can quit.
do you ever dream you smoked one , feel guilty and then wake up and feel releived you had'nt done it?
BlackJack
QUOTE (kirk @ Nov 23 2003, 04:54 PM)
Speed may not be worse than some of the other drugs you mentioned but it does[can,will] cause permanent psychosis , if you do'nt understand this then you have'nt been around as much as you think you have.

I know more than a little about psychophamacology, and yes, amphetamine psychosis is a real phenomenon, it is also transient and requires large, continuous dosing and prolonged sleep deprivation. The psychotic symptoms rarely last once amphetamines are withdrawn, and are easily manged in the meantime by dopamine antoagonists.

Amphetamines have been used clinically for decades and there is no evidence to support any significant long-term negative side efects from prolonged use at therapeutic levels. While it can be dangerous at higher dosages, so can almost every-frigging thing else. It certainly falls well under alcohol in terms of overall danger, yet alcohol can be used safely by most people.
BlackJack
QUOTE (Felis Catus @ Nov 24 2003, 10:01 AM)
I think most drugs should be legal(there are
some,like PCP,that are almost guaranteed to
cause psychotic rage and probable harm to others-
I'm not so sure about these).


The PCP thing, like most drug horror tales, is horribly exaggerated. If PCP really turned everyone who took it into a raving maniac, there would be a lot more raving maniacs out there. It's an anasthetic, so, yeah, it can make it difficult to control a person with conventional force. And it's duration of action in humans is unpredictable, which is why it isn't used as an anasthetic in humans anymore. There were definite problems with people regaining consciousness in a confused panicked stupor. But remember that the stories they tell about it are much the same stories they used to tell about marijuana and absinthe...

You want a drug that makes people violent? Try burboun...
Kallisti
QUOTE
do you ever dream you smoked one , feel guilty and then wake up and feel releived you had'nt done it?


Indeed. It's fucked up too. But it is better to smoke a pack in your dreams, than to have fallen off the wagon for real.

I'm 35, grew up in Berkeley. Lucky me!!!
Felis Catus
I am addicted to iambic pentameter.
Sugar.gif ZombieHand.gif

What can I say,it's a computer thing.I do'nt know
how to fix it to make it better blink.gif I use this
machine to play,not work,and fixing it to make it
better would be work.But if I am irritating y'all
I'll get my daddy(who gave me this newfangled
contraption as a gift heart.gif Present-2.png )to help.

You see,I am actually a girlie-girl,and my brain is'nt
made for such nonsense. hula-1.gif

I like absinthe because it is made with pretty
flowers. angelica.gif hyssop.gif ,etc.

fairy.gif
looking-up.gif
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2018 Invision Power Services, Inc.