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jmfranc
Obviously, no vendor information is available for this absinthe other than that which appears in historical documents, which can be found at http://www.oxygenee.com.


Reviewed by JMFranc 1/7/06

COLOR BEFORE WATER 10/10
A beautiful brown after 100 years.

LOUCHE ACTION 10/10
Thicker than almost any other absinthe I have drank including the preban Edouard, Premier Fils, and Pernod Fils. Swirls came on like a roiling boil from the bottle of the glass and the final louche was very thick.

COLOR AFTER WATER 10/10
Louche was very thick and became quite a nice shade of amber.

AROMA 30/30
Bouquet was indescribable. Very strong but not from alcohol. This one filled the room with delicate odors. Extremely pleasing but hard to describe.

MOUTH-FEEL 10/10
Coated the mouth and lingered. Thick like milk and trailing flavors were somewhat similar to the Edouard Pernod.

TASTE 18/20
Alpine, alpine, alpine. Herbal mixed with a slight alcohol bite. Flavors were hard to pick out. Lingering flavors long after swallowing!

OVERALL IMPRESSION 10/10
Of the four prebans I have had the honor to try, this has to be at the very top. If I was around 100 years ago, I would have drank this exclusively (except maybe some Edouard now and again).

JMFranc scores Berger Absinthe 98 out of 100


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Larger version of Berger and glass.


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Larger version of louche progression.

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Stroller
Nice photos. 98 out of 100! Sounds to good to be true.
Wild Bill Turkey
QUOTE(jmfranc @ Jan 7 2006, 12:50 PM) *

JMFranc scores Pernod Fils 98 out of 100

This review is for the C.F.Berger, though, right?
jmfranc
QUOTE(Wild Bill Turkey @ Jan 7 2006, 04:00 PM) *

QUOTE(jmfranc @ Jan 7 2006, 12:50 PM) *

JMFranc scores Pernod Fils 98 out of 100

This review is for the C.F.Berger, though, right?



DAMN IT! And there's no edit button on there for me. Admin, can you change the "Pernod Fils" to "Berger" or add the edit button for me?
Stroller
Nice catch Bill.
Head_prosthesis
QUOTE(jmfranc @ Jan 7 2006, 03:05 PM) *


DAMN IT! And there's no edit button on there for me. Admin, can you change the "Pernod Fils" to "Berger" or add the edit button for me?


You need to relax, fucker.
jmfranc
QUOTE(Head_prosthesis @ Jan 7 2006, 10:44 PM) *


You need to relax, fucker.




That's nice......

Head_prosthesis
You're right.
Wild Bill Turkey
Maybe I'll get flamed and blamed for asking this , but:
Did you find any similarities between this and the Jade Verte Suisse?
Donnie Darko
I was going to ask the exact same question.

Whatever the case, that Berger sounds amazing, and seems to be in line with pretty much every other comment I've heard from anyone who has had vintage Berger.
jmfranc
QUOTE(Wild Bill Turkey @ Jan 8 2006, 01:23 AM) *

Maybe I'll get flamed and blamed for asking this , but:
Did you find any similarities between this and the Jade Verte Suisse?



A little. It's got a similar strength in the herbs flavor but the overall taste is not similar - I was expecting it to be close and it wasn't. The Berger and the Jade Suisse are "slightly" similar but at the same time very different.
jmfranc
QUOTE(Head_prosthesis @ Jan 7 2006, 11:46 PM) *

You're right.


Head_prosthesis
Blargh!
Oxygenee
You can cut the sexual tension between those two with a knife.
jmfranc
QUOTE(Head_prosthesis @ Jan 8 2006, 01:02 PM) *

Blargh!



Oxygenee
Jeez, just get a room for God's sake.
jmfranc
QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Jan 8 2006, 01:24 PM) *

Jeez, just get a room for God's sake.



He keeps offering but I'm just not THAT kind of lad.....
Head_prosthesis
I got a room, it's called the Gulag.
jmfranc
QUOTE(Head_prosthesis @ Jan 8 2006, 02:46 PM) *

I got a room, it's called the Gulag.



Good to know....
Absomphe
QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Jan 8 2006, 11:05 AM) *

You can cut the sexual tension between those two with a wife.


I'm not goin' there, Minutia Man. harhar.gif
Head_prosthesis
QUOTE(jmfranc @ Jan 8 2006, 01:19 PM) *

Good to know....


w00t2.gif Yeah, good to know dot dot dot dot w00t2.gif
Marc
lamentable topic, once again it ends in a childish dispute...


sorry had to say it
jmfranc
Well, then get it back on track. I have more pictures if you want links to see them.
Head_prosthesis
Yeah people! Get it back on track.
Let's see them goddamn pictures!
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Donnie Darko
OK.

Bergerbergerbergerberger.

Now it's back on track.
Grim
Nope, don't think I've tried vintage Berger from that stash. Who's the feller takin' the photo in the doorway?
jmfranc
More pictures.


C.F. Berger Bottle

Before the fun began.

Big picture of the glowing louche.

I meant to add that this Berger isn't as strong in the fennel dept. as the vintage Edouard.
Donnie Darko
That makes sense. That's in line with the VS too.

That louche is amazing. Looks like something I could glue two 2x4s together with.
Patlow
jm, those are really nice pics.

i should have done the same with mine, i emailed them to head to post for me b/c i am too stupid to figure it out. maybe i should have posted them here as well (or better yet at first, or even better yet when they were ready), in vintage.

anyways, apologies group. at least you'll get to see some pernod fils against philadelphia skyline and even a wasted pic taken by ? of said poster enjoying the vintage. turned green there somehow. should be up in a day or so.

again, jm, very nice. i've had the berger, think i liked it better than the pernod fils, but what do i know? my next ones will be sober. even the sd400 cannot makeup for a man being cunted at time of photo shoot, with all its automatic gadgets... someone still needs to push, CLICK.

ok, i'm out.

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Head_prosthesis
Patlows pics
Deluge
Vintage C.F. Berger 1890-1900

COLOR BEFORE WATER 9/10
The color of the Berger sample was lovely! It was a pleasant shade of amber and although it did not contain any trace of the original green it still looked quite stunning. I did find the color to be rather different compared to the various samples of Edouard Pernod and Pernod Fils that I have had in the past. The Berger was in contrast to the Pernod much lighter and had a charming warm glow to it. I would love to see what shade of green this was before the original color faded!

LOUCHE ACTION 9/10
After placing my glass under the fountain the louche began slowly. Gradually as more water was added, a small cloud formed at the bottom of the glass and was soon lifted to the top revealing a thick louche crowned by a beautiful translucent amber band. Watching the Berger louche alongside the Jade Verte Suisse I was impressed to see that they louched almost identically to one another, which leads me to believe that Mr. Breaux is in fact using the same recipe. I noticed the same thing while louching Edouard Pernod along side Jade Edouard.

COLOR AFTER WATER 8/10
The final stage of the louche was very thick and it became a nice shade of foggy amber.

AROMA 29/30
To quote Mr. Hartsmar…“this Is the garden!” I believe his every word. The scent of the Berger was wonderful! The bouquet was impressive and it did in fact fill the room with its fragrant floral aroma. I could definitely detect the unique scent of aged hyssop in this sample. This scent has been described as a dusky aroma similar to talc or baby powder. To me it seems similar to the sent of a light cinnamon. There were lovely notes of aged anis and wormwood that had come out boldly along with other warm spices. Absolutely brilliant! The Berger had a rich musky/spicy character that I have not witnessed in any other modern absinthe!

MOUTH-FEEL 9/10
Not as thick as the Pernod Fils, but still nice and creamy!

TASTE 18/20
This was a damn good absinthe! I would drink this and Pernod Fils exclusively if I could! They are both amazing and quite a bit different when compared to one another. The Berger was, spicy, herbal, and very floral. All in all it was very complex yet it was so well balanced. After water had been added there were absolutely no overpowering flavors. The unification of flavors made it difficult to pick out any ingredients that are not commonly used in Swiss or French absinthe. The anise and fennel were paired well with good wormwood and I could detect notes that reminded me of cinnamon, pepper, coriander, along with hints of citrus. Although I found that the Berger was definitely on par with Pernod Fils I did notice very distinct differences in the way that their flavors were balanced. I found the Berger to be a bit spicier than the Pernod. Perhaps the Berger used a little more star anise and a little less fennel? All in all I felt that the Berger was amazing! The lingering quality on the palate lasted forever! Much longer than any commercial or clandestine out there, an hour after having a glass of Berger, the flavor still lingered on my palate!

OVERALL IMPRESSION 10/10
I am glad that I had the chance to sample vintage Berger. It was interesting doing a side-by-side comparison with its modern counterpart. I found them to be similar in many ways in regard to quality but the flavor and aroma were a little different. I think that the major differences were due to the age of the sample. I believe that if they were both bottled on the same date and stored well they would in fact taste nearly identical. One difference that set them apart to me would have to be the base alcohol. I think that the process used in making the base alcohol for the Berger is quite different than the process used for the Verte Suisse. The Berger does have over a hundred years of age on the Verte Suisse so I guess it is hard to make such speculations!

Total 92/100

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kevangogh
Just tried this myself. Decided to make one next to the Jade VS. The VS I have on hand here is the 2nd version which didn't really get the greatest revues.

When comparing these side by side, the first difference I noticed is the aroma - the Beger just jumps out at you, the VS on hand is not nearly as aromatic. The aroma and taste are quite different too. This is almost too hard to describe really, it must be experienced. This being my second vintage (the first being Eduoard), I am noticing something similar between the Berger and the Eduoard, that being this unique "maple syrup" kind of taste that I've never experienced in any modern absinthe and only in the vintages.

I'm wondering how they used to age these old absinthes, and if Ted is doing it in a similar fashion. By that I mean, did they immediately bottle them, or were they aged for a period of time in a certain type of wood barrel, etc?

Damn, it was good. Can't really say I prefer this over the vintage Eduoard though.




Absomphe
From Deluge's comments about the citus, cinnamon and coriander spicy profile of the vintage C.F. Berger, it sounds like it has as much in common with the second distillation of Montmartre as it does with today's Verte Swiss.

If you haven't tried the Montmartre yet, Deluge, I'd be curious to hear your opinion when, and if, you
get around to it. It's a bit quirky, but exceptionally clean, with a full louche, a room filling herbal and floral aroma, and really spicy...I think you'd really enjoy it.

Deluge
Sorry Abs! The Berger was not at all similar to the Montmartre. Yes there were some spicy tones that did in some ways remind me of a cinnamon like flavor but all in all it wasn't that pronounced. It was in fact much more subdued. This absinthe tasted much more similar to the Verte Suisse even though there were some differences. The “maple syrup” flavor like the “baby powder” scent are unique to vintage absinthe and are both caused by age.
Absomphe
Gotcha, Deluge.

However, while I'm pretty sure the maple syrup flavor must be a function of the century-long aging, I have certainly noticed that baby powder scent (and even taste) in a couple of modern absinthes, which were unavailable for purchase, unfortunately.
Deluge
Granted, quality hyssop will produce that baby powder like scent. It becomes much more apparent though as it ages.
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