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traineraz
HGTV dream home winners discover that they can't afford to maintain a 6,000 square foot home and 7 vehicles for 2 adults without having an income. Duh.

The House That Swallowed . . .

The story was too many words, so here's a link.


Now they have to sell the fancy house they won, how sad. Guess we're supposed to feel sorry for them for mismanaging their finances. Or something.
Stroller
Whatever.
hartsmar
Ha! Imagine people being that dumb! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out! Hell, even Jack would be able the figure that one out! Or... Maybe not, but anyway...

Fools!
Donnie Darko
What a shocker. Never heard of an American having eyes bigger than their wallets before.

My wife, dog and I share an apartment that is 750 sq. feet, we own no car, and the utility bill is never more than $85 a month. And I'm completely content. What the hell is wrong with these people? If somebody gave me a 6,000 sq. foot monstrosity I'd sell that fucker the day after I signed the papers.
crosby
Sounds just like life in the former East Germany.
The Standard Deviant
HGTV?
Absinthesizer
Home and Garden Television.

Interesting that, in 10 years of this contest, this was the first family that chose to live in the "prize" house instead of selling it immediately. I also loved the bit about the light bulbs in the great room gradually going out, since it requires scaffolding to replace them. (Anybody brave enough to hazard an answer to the question, "How many McMansion owners does it take to change a light bulb?") Stupifyingly stupid design.
Slackjaw
Dumasses. I just use an extension pole bulb grabber...
hartsmar
Exactly. The design isn't stupid in any way. There's nothing as beatiful as a room with high ceiling and lots of windows and light. Scaffolding... Fools. A ladder or this will do just fine. I think even they could afford that.

And, if they where wise enough to use lo-energy bulbs they would only need to change them every 3-5 years since they have up to 5 times the life of a regular bulb.

They don't deserve the house. Idiots.
traineraz
I say we kill them and take their house, and make it into an absinthe commune.
hartsmar
I say it's a damn good idea. But... Who's gonna change them light bulbs?!
traineraz
We'll form a human pyramid.

Well, everyone else will. I'll just collect the beneficiary change forms on all of your life insurance policies right before the human pyramid.
Absinthesizer
I'm new on this forum, yet I already feel I can trust you to squander the proceeds wisely. Or at least quickly.
traineraz
Why, I'd use the money to start an absinthe commune!

Er, I mean . . . A DISTILLERY! Yes, that's it. I'd start a distillery just over the border into Mexico (OK, maybe Rocky Point) with a grand B&B hacienda next door, where people could come stay for 3 or 4 days, spend time on the hurricane-free Pacific Ocean, and distill their very own absinthe recipes. Absinthe Camp!

Those wanting to do test runs on a larger scale would also be able to take advantage of the for-hire production facility.

See, isn't that worth dying for?
Stroller
Good idea, why don't you set up shop in Jonestown.
Donnie Darko
Mmmm. Absinthe Kool-aid.

On the subject at hand, these people sound like they are the type that would think a bunch of money and an obscenely large home would mean they'd never have to do anything again aside from watch TV by the pool. The father's excuse for not working was particularly pathetic. Can't crouch or kneel so he decided to stay home and take care of his 4 year old?!? That would require about as much crouching and kneeling as installing floors. He could get a million different desk jobs with his injury if he so chose, he's just a lazy bastard. Physical laziness breeds mental laziness. No wonder they couldn't figure out how to change a lightbulb.
hartsmar
Oh! I am so happy to see you say that Donnie! I was thinking... Donnie will be all over this family. How sad it is for this poor daddy, not able to work. Poor little fucking lazy father.

But no. Thank you!

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traineraz
I forget who it was, but someone once said, "A man who is not a liberal at twenty has no heart. A man who is not a conservative by forty has no brain." Or words to that effect.

I'm guessing Donnie is rapidly approaching the latter age.
Nymphadora
[quote name='traineraz' date='Jul 4 2006, 02:42 PM' post='114615']
I forget who it was, but someone once said, "A man who is not a liberal at twenty has no heart. A man who is not a conservative by forty has no brain."

I think Winston Churchill said that.
G&C
Not only did you needlessly quote the post above yours.


You butchered it.
Nymphadora
Bitch. Bitch. Bitch................. how anal of you.
sixela
QUOTE(G&C @ Jul 5 2006, 01:46 AM) *

Not only did you needlessly quote the post above yours.


You butchered it.


And she's wrong.

Georges Clemenceau said:

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Si on n'est pas communiste à vingt ans c'est que l'on n'a pas de cœur, mais si on l'est encore à quarante, c'est que l'on a pas de tête.


"If you're not a communist at twenty you have no heart, if you're still communist at fourty you have no head".

Both Georges Clemenceau and G.B. Shaw are also credited with a version substituting "anarchist" for "communist", in slightly modified form for Clemenceau.

QUOTE

"Tout homme qui n'a pas été anarchiste à vingt ans est un imbécile, mais c'en est un autre s'il l'est encore à quarante."


"Any man who hasn't been an anarchist at twenty is an imbecile, but he's another [kind of] imbecile if he still is at fourty."

Obviously, the "liberal" thinggummie is a much more recent invention, probably originating in a country that has reserved special scorn for the word "liberal" (no prizes for guessing which).
Donnie Darko
Thanks Sixela for injecting some accuracy into the discussion. It's not the first time and certainly won't be the last time that Conservatives ignorantly confuse Liberalism with Communism.

I think it's lame that Hartsmar can't think outside his rigorous programming and consider the possibility that Liberals believe in a strong work ethic. It's pretty obvious that the guy in question had no work ethic. No one on either side of the political fence is going to defend his lazy ass. It's a nice moment when Liberals and Conservatives can look past their labels and agree on what the fuck reality is.
sixela
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Jul 4 2006, 09:53 PM) *

Mmmm. Absinthe Kool-aid.

On the subject at hand, these people sound like they are the type that would think a bunch of money and an obscenely large home would mean they'd never have to do anything again aside from watch TV by the pool.


Well, that could have been true:

-Sell house for $2.5M. Sell SUV as well.
-Move to Minnesota, and buy a smaller house
-Retire on the difference, and watch TV by the pool.

They just missed step one.
traineraz
But then they'd have to live in Minnesota.

I, for one, would rather keep working.
Donnie Darko
I'd keep working in any case, since I actually like working. Maybe I'll get sick of it eventually, but at the ripe old age of 29, I'm still actually motivated to work, especially since it involves spending half the day dicking around on the internet and not working.
Nymphadora
Sixela, I said I think Winston Churchill said that. I didn't state it as definite. However, thanks for revealing the true author of the quote.
traineraz
A quick Google indicates that, indeed, Winnie Churchill DID say that. Or one of many permutations thereof.

He just may not have been the only one.
sixela
http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/000696.html

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When it comes to citing famous quotations, a good rule of thumb is to attribute any unknown saying either to Anonymous or to Winston Churchill. Churchill’s eloquence and wit is second only to that great proverb maker Anon., so one is generally on safe ground by claiming him as the original source. Most people won't know any better anyway.

Alas, one particular quote that is often mistakenly attributed to the great Brit is,

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."

While the sentiment is certainly astute and wise, the saying did not originate with Churchill.


According to that article, actually, even Clemenceau wasn't the first one to use it (Aristide Briant was a minister of Clemenceau, and even he borrowed it from someone else).
Donnie Darko
Whoever said it, in whatever incarnation, it's bullshit. It's a clever patronizing statement made by those in power to make any revolutionary movement (revolutions appeal most to young people) appear juvenile and lacking in both wisdom amd experience. It's a slick way of saying "we sympathize with your political leanings, but The Government knows best because we have experience, so just trust our status quo". This is backed up by the fact that it has been repeated time and time again throughout history with the first ideology in the sentence always being whatever was a trendy political movement at the time, but the second ideology in the sentence always being the traditional/conservative one. It's impressively effective, given how many people take it hook line and sinker.

That was back in the days when politicians merely outwitted their opponents through crafty speech and appeals to intellect as opposed to today where speeches are crafted to appeal most to base emotions like fear. Lying helps to stoke the fear flames even more. From what I can tell that fearmongering/lying technique began in earnest in the McCarthy saturated 1950s in which Communism was the Big Bad Wolf du jour, and reached fruition in 1964 with Lyndon Johnson's famous mushroom cloud ad. Today both parties use speech as a tool of manipulation as opposed to making an earnest ideological statement about their own party. It's no wonder that the majority of political dialog today consists of "Liberals want to take all your money and give it to lazy black crack whores" and "Conservatives want to eat poor people, and burn down every tree and replace them with oil rigs".
traineraz
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Jul 5 2006, 02:30 PM) *

That was back in the days when politicians merely outwitted their opponents through crafty speech and appeals to intellect as opposed to today where speeches are crafted to appeal most to base emotions like fear.


When was that?

When Hitler was blaming Jews for all of Germany's ills?

When the town fathers in Salem were burning witches at the stake?

When Nero was blaming Christians for Rome being on fire?

I'm sorry to have missed the great golden age of human history, when politicians relied upon wit and intellect rather than fearmongering and scapegoating. So far as I can tell, the historians missed it, too.

Donnie Darko
If you'll read Hitler's speech (not just the limited bits in the Coulter thread), you'll see that even through the hatred and lying there was an attempt to appeal to reason, and he rallied his crowds with a big bright (albeit horrible) ideal of the "Superman". The hatred had the silver lining of aspiring to something great. It seems that gradually our public political dialog has given up on the "aspiring to something great" part, and now just goes for the jugular of the opponent by scaring people away from them.

Of course Hitler was a horrifying monster, but he was an ideologue and his ideology was very clear, and the same applies to the Witchhunters in Salem and even to Nero. They aspired to something other than just winning at all costs, even if what they aspired to was evil, and they were at least generally honest about what they aspired to. These days it seems those in office lie their face off to get there, then decide actual policy once they've won. The recent political arena seems to have abandoned ideology altogether, and people now just say whatever their advisers tell them is popular, and it also explains why "Conservative" politicians are hardly even conservative anymore and why "Liberal" politicians are on their best day naysayers.

It also explains why turnout is so low. Politicians, through their approach, no longer give people something to vote FOR, only to vote against. Don't vote for what you believe in, vote against what you're afraid of.
traineraz
Fair 'nuff.
Donnie Darko
I spoke to soon about the Nero/Salem witch trials though, wasn't thinking clearly. They didn't really have to convince anyone of anything, so comparisons to modern political discourse don't fit. They both had a ready made audience that would believe whatever they said. Nero's believed him because if they didn't, he'd kill them, and the Salem Witch Trials audience went along with it because if they didn't, they were witches.
traineraz
Nero convinced people Christians were to blame for what he ordered done, so he could avoid violent revolution/assassination -- sounds like scapegoating for political purposes to me.

The Salem Witch Trials were pure politics, bumping off people or wives of people they didn't agree with/like.

In neither case was wit or intellect used to advance a political aim. Fear-mongering and scapegoating were.

Meanwhile, you've still not offered an example of when in human history the use of wit and intellect took the forefront over fear-mongering and scapegoating.
hartsmar
I guess jokes and ironic comments aren't your strong side Donnie...?
Do you honestly believe I was all that serious in that comment?

This is the Corn Hole, not the Newgate, it's not meant to be serious. harhar.gif
crosby
He said it himself, he doesn’t have much to do at work. As has been much noted lately, the reasons why the two extremes run government is that the moderates have shit to do. Donnie has a good wage and that makes it easy for him to spend other peoples money. As far as he’s concerned not owning a car or a house and living in a crime ridden shit hole, is what we should all be aspiring to. First off, the reason he believes the age thing is bullshit is that he’s part of the age group that shouldn’t have an opinion. It’s sad that we were all shooting our mouths off at that age, before we had a fucking idea of what we were talking about. Second, he's a fucking communist because he believes that he should be able to dictate what people can do with their personal property. I would agree with him about the work ethic thing, if he wasn't a fucking sound guy. See my old, stale joke.
sixela
I'm glad finally someone (Cros of all people) showed us what a real appeal to intellect looked like torch.gif . Unlike all those other posts going for the jugular.

My feeble intellect is unable to grasp the meaning of whatever Cros was saying, so I'll just sit silently in awe.
jacal01
I understand that the Salem witch trials were really an attempt by the medical profession to get rid of all the midwives that were seriously undermining their business in the new world.

I saw George Carlin’s Better Off Dead routine last night that was so right on that I won’t even attempt to elaborate on it here. Nails the consumer driven American society.
crosby
Too much La Ptite and no editor. I'd try to clarify, but I have to get to work.
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(crosby @ Jul 6 2006, 04:48 AM) *

As far as he’s concerned not owning a car or a house and living in a crime ridden shit hole, is what we should all be aspiring to.


While I sense some tongue in cheek, and have a pretty good idea of where you actually stand, I'll address the open can of worms anyway...

No, I don't think my lifestyle is what everyone should aspire to, I only pointed out that I am happy with what I have and that SUVs and big houses hold little value for me personally. But that's ME, I would never EVER mandate that anyone else choose the same life I have chosen. I would never make a law saying the people in that article can't have that house, precisely because I am not a Communist and I think Communism is bad. I might make fun of them for being so clueless, but IMO the taxes they had to pay on what they won was obscene. Sorry that doesn't fit into everyone's ignorant little box of what Liberalism is, but the fact is people tend to be more complex than stupid political oversimplifications spouted out by politicians and the press. It is typical and mentally lazy for people to think only in those oversimplified terms. What will really shock the shit out of you people is that I voted for Mike Bloomberg for Mayor. Put that in your "Donnie is a commie liberal" bong, suck it down and hold it in. What will surprise you even more is that my union endorsed him. Put that in your "Unions are communist organizations" crack pipe and suck that baby dry.

And NYC is not a crime ridden shit hole. NYC happens to be the safest big city in America, with a very low per capita crime rate:
http://www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm?pagePkey=1610

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First off, the reason he believes the age thing is bullshit is that he’s part of the age group that shouldn’t have an opinion.


The philosophical point of the ORIGINAL statement quoted by Sixela was that youth has a tendency towards acting on passion and age has a tendency towards thinking first and acting second. In my opinion, if anyone is all one and none of the other, then they are only half a person. Intellect without passion is boring and ineffective. Passion without intellect is reckless. In truth healthy discourse should respect both youth and age.

Whatever happened to balance? Why does everyone seem to think that if someone believes in socialized health care then they're a commie who wants to hand all private propoerty and private enterprise to the government? Why does everyone seem to think that if you believe in gun ownership then you must also think that gangsters should be able to stockpile rocket propelled grenades?

It's worth moving this discussion away from political labels and moving it more towards philosophy. Why do we think in such absolutist terms? In doing so we only alienate potential allies and further imbalance our own world.
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(hartsmar @ Jul 6 2006, 03:52 AM) *

I guess jokes and ironic comments aren't your strong side Donnie...?
Do you honestly believe I was all that serious in that comment?

This is the Corn Hole, not the Newgate, it's not meant to be serious. harhar.gif


Good point, sarcasm often doesn't come across online, either because tone of voice can't be heard or because I haven't had my morning cup of tea (it's usually the latter case) .

Although part of being in the Corn Hole means that people can run with abandon, and that's what I'm doing.

For good measure, and to keep in spirit with the corn hole, I should include some porn, so visit www.burningangel.com and see NYC from a whole new angle...
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(traineraz @ Jul 5 2006, 11:20 PM) *

Meanwhile, you've still not offered an example of when in human history the use of wit and intellect took the forefront over fear-mongering and scapegoating.


Wasn't some guy named Winston Churchill who said that quote or whatever known for appealing to intellect in sometimes witty ways? And then there was that FDR guy...

In truth I don't think intellect or wit ever took the forefront over fear-mongering and scapegoating in human history, but my point was that it was at least used as a tool of discourse in the past, whereas today pretty much the ONLY discourse that exists in the political spectrum is fear-mongering and scapegoating.

Then again, what the fuck do I know? I'm a young commie who wants to give all your money to the government. Be afraid of me.
traineraz
Afraid? Ha!

Everybody knows you young 'uns don't vote.
Donnie Darko
If you guys would just make some MTV editing style fast paced ads and hire some rapper with some bling to rap about a political issue, and put Hillary Duff in the ad, then I'd vote. And if you promised to put Coke machines in all the hallways and new equipment for the wrestling team, then I might even contribute $ to your campaign.

hartsmar
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Jul 6 2006, 07:51 AM) *

No, I don't think my lifestyle is what everyone should aspire to, I only pointed out that I am happy with what I have and that SUVs and big houses hold little value for me personally.

But that's ME, I would never EVER mandate that anyone else choose the same life I have chosen.


Phew, I'd be so shit out of luck.
Donnie Darko
Ha!

Yeah, it sucks to be in my shoes. Between my pension, $5 medical co-pay, dental and eyeglass coverage, no car insurance/car payment, and all those amazing restaurants, bars, liquor stores, record stores, coffee shops, clothing stores and book stores within walking distance, I don't know how I survive sometimes. When I do need a car, I rent one, which ends up being cheaper than owning one because the company I rent from pays for gas and insurance, and it's always a new car, and that really blows chunks. Plus all the incredibly hot women I see on 5th avenue every day really chaps my ass. Now you've got me all depressed Hartsmar. I may just take a long walk off a short Brooklyn Bridge.

In all seriousness though, what I pay for rent is insane, and NYC, for all its conveniences can also be a royal pain in the ass. Have a homeless guy piss himself in the seat next to you on the subway at 8am someday, it's a blast. And the summer is particularly nice when the trashbags from seafood restaurants sit on the sidewalk overnight and ripen. Pretty much everywhere has its plusses and minuses. I've done the living in a big house in a small town with a nice car thing though, and it was nice but I got soooo bored. It's great for some people though, just not my cup of tea.
traineraz
You just try renting a car when the big one hits . . .

Big one what? Ohhhh, you'll know.
Donnie Darko
I'll wave to you in your car stuck in traffic as I skateboard past you. My wife will wave from her bike. harhar.gif

It will suck if it happens to be raining when the big one hits though.
hartsmar
I used to rent a car whenever I needed one too about 10 years ago. With two kids and living just outside town now, that doesn't quite cut it. Problem is, without a car you can't just pack up and go somewhere whenever you want to. Planning things in detail is nothing I care for. However, I'm not complaining... Actually I lived right in the damn middle of everything before. As you say, bars, restaurants, cafés - the works. I thought I'd miss that a lot moving outside town.

I don't. Really.

Besides, it's a 15-20 minute drive into town or 30 minutes by bus if I'd care to take that chance.

I have all the bar I need, right here at home. And a nice garden to enjoy my drinks in. It costs, sure - but it's well worth it.
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