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hobgoblin
Myself being a heathen who knows absolutely nothing about classical music of any sort, I would appreciate if someone here could give me some advice.

I am looking for some calming, but interesting classical music that I could play in the background in my classroom, hopefully to induce some calm into a class of nice, but noisy 10 year-olds who have been doing my head in recently with the noise they make in the afternoons.

I have tried some Jazz, which they liked, but that only made them noisier.

I think perhaps some calming classical music may be what I should try next.

Anyone got any suggestions?

Many thanks,

Hobgoblin
Artemis
Try some of those "sacred drum" CDs with Navajo flutes.

Very calming.
Absomphe
Try searching under 'The Most Relaxing Classical Music Album in the World…Ever".
hobgoblin
Many thanks,

I have ordered a Sacred earth Drums cd and the Most Relaxing Classical Music Ever volume 1 off Amazon. I also bought a couple of classical cds today, a Strauss one and Mozarts magic flute. After listening to them, the Strauss might work, but the Magic flute will definitely not.

Anyway hopefully something might calm the little bastards down, as I'm sick of shouting at them and handing out breaktime detentions.
absinthist
Give' em Mussorgsky or Stravinsky or Prokofiew (at least, they calm me down), Chopin or Vivaldi would be a nice addition as well.

Turn the music on, show' em how absinthe louches and they shall be yours-this I can guarantee as I have been doing it so many a time with different age groups.
The Standard Deviant
That sounds like a quick way to end up in front of the board of school governors.
absinthist
Demonstratin' cannot be penalised and children/youth like magic when something green turns whitish, all is for school's sake, hehe.
hobgoblin
Much fun as it would be, demonstrating an absinthe louche, I think I'll give it a miss. I somehow don't think an excuse of "I was only demonstrating physical and chemical changes as part of the science curriculum" would hold much water. A shame really, as the kids would love it.
absinthist
Oh, yeah, they loved it!

Not even science/chemistry, during History or Polish language lessons, Belle Epoque is explained, so absinthe needs to be shown; my Mum during her private tutoring usually takes one of mine and demonstrates it to the student she is teaching about Belle Epoque, Młoda Polska and such.
Nymphadora
Hobglobin: I hate to say it, but I don't think any music will calm them down. I'm a teacher and speak from experience. Any background noise will be tuned out or they will talk louder to compensate. The only way to limit their speech is to make very undesirable punishment. They hate to be away from their peers. Isolation is good. Making them kneel in the corner with their back away from their peers is also a good deterrant. Occasionally, I make students hold heavy books over their heads. After awhile, they start to cramp and are relunctant to carry on inappropriate behavior.

I really wish I didn't have to do these methods. I hate being a disciplinarian, but it is the only thing that seems to work and I have tried all other methods.
Absomphe
Love the new title, Mr. Real Deal! abs-cheers.gif
Sleeper
I heard cracking them on the knuckles with rulers and making them wear dunce caps works too.
Nymphadora
Unfortunately, you can't do that anymore. I was very tempted to put a dunce cap on the student that told me the two states outside the continental U.S. were Hawaii and Antartica.
absinthist
QUOTE(Nymphadora @ Oct 6 2007, 07:21 AM) *

I really wish I didn't have to do these methods. I hate being a disciplinarian, but it is the only thing that seems to work and I have tried all other methods.


I understand you fully. There is either little discipline or the lesson makes neither sense nor success. If the kids want to learn and respect the teacher, there is no need to torment them.
hobgoblin
QUOTE(Nymphadora @ Oct 6 2007, 04:21 PM) *

Hobglobin: I hate to say it, but I don't think any music will calm them down. I'm a teacher and speak from experience. Any background noise will be tuned out or they will talk louder to compensate.


A guided meditation CD straight after lunch most days seems to work quite well and the after effects of 5 minutes mediation last for about 30 minutes. All but 1 of the 31 kids loves doing the short meditation sessions (the boy who doesn't like it just sits there with a bemused smirk on his face, but so long as he smirks quietly that's fine with me).

Actually the Sacred Earth Drums CD (as recomended by Artemis) did actually have some effect. According to them it was "Wierd" and "Spooky" and "Cool", and yes some of them actually said it was "Relaxing". The majority of them did actually listen to it and do some work. Some of them actually asked if we could do some meditation using the Sacred Drums CD. Nice idea, but you won't get much work done by meditating all afternoon, but once they get used to guided meditation we could use 5 minutes or so of it to meditate to.

So they'll be getting more of that until the novelty wears off and then I'll go searching for something else.
Absomphe
QUOTE(Nymphadora @ Oct 6 2007, 11:41 AM) *

I was very tempted to put a dunce cap on the student that told me the two states outside the continental U.S. were Hawaii and Antartica.


I assume when you asked him which two states were outside the continental U.S., you knew it was a trick question, right? harhar.gif
Nymphadora
Hobgoblin, I'm glad to hear it works. I don't think it would work with my little monsters.

Absinthist: No need to torment them? I do it for my enjoyment, silly.
absinthist
Pleasure is another factor, I know. How would you resist it evill.gif
traineraz
Have you tried fluoride, Tonks?

Just Google "Fluoride mind control". (Someone on my neighborhood listserv just went on a tirade against fluoride, so . . .)
absinthist
http://befreetech.com/fluoridation.htm

http://www.greaterthings.com/Lexicon/F/Fluoride.htm

Just the best I have found.
Nymphadora
Trainer: Yeah, I've heard that tirade about fluoride in the water being a mind controlling device. I will squirt a tube of Colgate next time one of the little bastards mouth off.
Donnie Darko
My wife teaches literature to a bunch of rough kids in Brooklyn, and strangely she found that playing Air's albums Moon Safari and 10,000Hz Legend mellowed them out, and they request for her to play them a lot. I thought it was pretty funny that these inner city high school kids who normally prefer hip-hop got hooked on French synth-weirdo music.

Classical music never mellows me out, I find if I listen to it when I'm driving I tend to obliterate the speed limit.
Sleeper
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Oct 15 2007, 09:43 AM) *



Classical music never mellows me out


If it's something like the Rite of Spring, then hell no. Come to think of it, I'm not sure any of it mellows me out either really. Sinatra works for me.

Donnie Darko
Chopin mellows me out, but I wouldn't consider him "classical". "Classical" is kind of a misnomer, because when you listen to Stravinsky or Shostakovich or Berliosz or Chopin, their music is revolutionary, especially by contemporary standards. Ligeti was playing with harmonic dissonance years before anyone thought to add distortion to a guitar. In the case of Shostakovich, his music was literally revolutionary. His 10th symphony mocked the anthems of the Stalinist regime.

The music that mellows me out would be something like The Cure's album Seventeen Seconds.
bob_chong
Isn't classical simply that which isn't folk?
Selmac
Seventeen Seconds is great. I think that Disintegration is even better. Jazz mellows me out way better than classical. Kind Of Blue works every time. Bitches Brew not so much.
hobgoblin
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Oct 16 2007, 02:08 AM) *

Chopin mellows me out, but I wouldn't consider him "classical". "Classical" is kind of a misnomer, because when you listen to Stravinsky or Shostakovich or Berliosz or Chopin, their music is revolutionary, especially by contemporary standards. Ligeti was playing with harmonic dissonance years before anyone thought to add distortion to a guitar. In the case of Shostakovich, his music was literally revolutionary. His 10th symphony mocked the anthems of the Stalinist regime.


To us musically uneducated barbarians (that make up the bulk of the population) classical music is anything that involves pianos, violins, cellos, clarinets, kettle drums etc, that isn't Jazz or Folk music, or isn't plugged in. Don't go confusing us by telling us that classical music doesn't actually exist. If it's in the Classical Music section of my local HMV music store then that's good enough for me.
hobgoblin
QUOTE(bob_chong @ Oct 16 2007, 04:17 AM) *

Isn't classical simply that which isn't folk?


So what were the Sex Pistols then? Classical musicians or folk musicians?
absinthist
One of the best British Punk Rock band ever!
Tibro
Punks are just folks with attitude.
absinthist
Anti-social attitude, when all skrewed up as in 1977.
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(hobgoblin @ Oct 17 2007, 04:14 PM) *

classical music is anything that involves pianos, violins, cellos, clarinets, kettle drums etc, that isn't Jazz or Folk music


The Beatles song Day in the Life is classical then. I do see what you're saying though, obviously we know what is classical music, I just think the title is funny, but then again most labels are. For example, what the fuck is "Alternative" music?

QUOTE
So what were the Sex Pistols then? Classical musicians or folk musicians?


Neither, since you included the term "musician". evill.gif

Seriously though, I like the Pistols, they're a lot of fun, I just tend to prefer punk that's a bit more musically complex, like the Dead Kennedys, early Siouxsie, etc…
hobgoblin
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Oct 17 2007, 10:04 PM) *


For example, what the fuck is "Alternative" music?


Indeed. It's a bullshit, egotistical term that implies that this music is somehow 'special' as it is an alternative to all other music (which of course is all lumped together).

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Oct 17 2007, 10:04 PM) *

Seriously though, I like the Pistols, they're a lot of fun, I just tend to prefer punk that's a bit more musically complex, like the Dead Kennedys, early Siouxsie, etc…


The Dead Kennedy's and Siouxsie and the Banshees were not punk. Siouxsie and the Banshees were new wave/post-punk (in the same bracket as The Cure). The Dead Kennedy's are not punk either, the fact they were born after the death of punk (1979) rules them out.

The Ramones, Sex Pistols, early Clash, early Buzzcocks, early Damned etc. were punk.

The fact that they you describe bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees and The Dead Kennedys as 'musically complex' rules them out as being punk. Musical complexity was an anathema to punk.
absinthist
However, if we analyse how many remained true and have never betrayed what punk was at the beginning, the situation will not be that optimistic.

Of course, soon oi and post-punk emerged but have not had such energy=anger as delivered in "No fun" or "Bodies" by Sex Pistols, or "Anti-social", "From 9 to 5" by early Skrewdriver, not counting Cock Sparrer "England belongs to me" and finally Sham 69.
traineraz
QUOTE(hobgoblin @ Oct 17 2007, 01:33 PM) *

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Oct 17 2007, 10:04 PM) *


For example, what the fuck is "Alternative" music?


Indeed. It's a bullshit, egotistical term that implies that this music is somehow 'special' as it is an alternative to all other music (which of course is all lumped together).


It used to be "alternative rock" if memory serves. To differentiate from the fifty-odd other kinds of rock.
Absomphe
QUOTE(hobgoblin @ Oct 17 2007, 02:33 PM) *

The Dead Kennedy's are not punk either, the fact they were born after the death of punk (1979) rules them out.


Oh, horse puckey.

Punk died quite recently when Wesley Willis hit the worms. wink.gif
Sleeper
QUOTE(hobgoblin @ Oct 17 2007, 02:33 PM) *


Indeed. It's a bullshit, egotistical term that implies that this music is somehow 'special' as it is an alternative to all other music (which of course is all lumped together).



I don't listen to music on the radio too much anymore, but when I religiously did it seems the options went something like this:

Station A) MC Hammer, Mariah Carrey, whatever P.O.S. boy band was around at the time

Station B) MC Hammer, Mariah Carrey, whatever P.O.S. boy band was around at the time

Station C) MC Hammer, Mariah Carrey, whatever P.O.S. boy band was around at the time

Station D) "Alternative" music

Made sense to me.
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(hobgoblin @ Oct 17 2007, 05:33 PM) *


The Ramones, Sex Pistols, early Clash, early Buzzcocks, early Damned etc. were punk.


Agreed.

QUOTE
The fact that they you describe bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees and The Dead Kennedys as 'musically complex' rules them out as being punk. Musical complexity was an anathema to punk.


That's a good point, though I would say that they retained most of the attitude/style that came with Punk, while moving past the lack of musical variety that in my opinion made punk unsustainable. I'd call them Punk 2.0, which I guess could also be "post-punk". It is correct though that Siouxsie eventually became more new wave than Punk, but she certainly started out as Punk. Funny enough the same applies to Johnny Rotten.
absinthist
In that case, most of the bands started as punk, some because they believed in it, some because it was trendy at that time.
hobgoblin
QUOTE(absinthist @ Oct 18 2007, 06:57 PM) *

In that case, most of the bands started as punk, some because they believed in it, some because it was trendy at that time.


Saying that Punk bands bands 'believed in it' is not correct either. It wasn't an ideology or a belief system. Can you really say that the Sex Pistols actually believed in anything, let alone something called 'Punk'? This is almost like calling them idealists! Punk was not an idea or a cause. Punk had no aim. It was not an idea to be believed in, it was just chaos and agression.

The Sex Pistols didn't 'believe in it', the Ramones didn't 'believe in it'. They enjoyed the fights, the money, the drugs, the sex, the glue, the booze, the notoriety, the infamy etc. Create a load of noise and aggro, offend a lot of people, and then get paid lots of cash which you can use to buy loads of drugs, booze, glue and sex. And why give a shit about the musical integrity of your 'music' so long as the cash keeps rolling in?

Punk was not an idea or something that could be believed in.
absinthist
Punk was an ideology, it had its slogans, style of talkin', thinkin', it was not about just sex, drugs and all that jazz evill.gif

You seem that hearin' "Anarchy in the U.K." or "E.M.I" or "You're so dumb" you have not understood the single sentence.

Tell this what you have written to British kids who still listen to these bands, wonder how they will react, but yes, it might be just aggression harhar.gif
Nymphadora
Punk did have a cause. It was the antithesis of the preceding hippy generation which sang about love, peace and harmony. Punk was rebelling against it's musical parent.
The Standard Deviant
Aren't you an English teacher?
Absomphe
HA!

Thats a good one.
absinthist
Birds of feather flock together, 'twas obvious to get support from Nymph heart.gif
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(Nymphadora @ Oct 18 2007, 08:49 PM) *

Punk did have a cause. It was the antithesis of the preceding hippy generation which sang about love, peace and harmony. Punk was rebelling against it's musical parent.


I wouldn't call that an ideology though. It's a negative, a rejection, not an affirmation or advocacy of anything in particular. I think Steve Jones taking a large crap on the gold record in the EMI office in "The Great Rock & Roll Swindle" says it all. They were generally anarchists, but that doesn't really mean much either. Hippies were anarchists too.

Most of what people think of as Punk was just the style (born out of poverty more than anything else), much more so than the conscious affront to etiquette and popular values. It was mimicked by a good deal of people (and still is) and was turned into cold hard cash by entrepreneurs, but Hob is correct that it burned fast and then burned out, and can't really come back because the whole point of it was that it was a new direction and now it is not. The best portrayal I've seen of the majority of the Punk movement was Adrian Brody's character in Spike Lee's "Summer of Sam". He's a kid from Queens that goes to England for a few weeks in the summer of '77, and comes back with a mohawk and an affected British accent and refuses to work and just sleeps on his mom's couch. He ends up sucking dick for beer money in the end.

Personally I find Punk entertaining, a nice boot in the pants of what is "normal", but in the end it's not a very pleasant way to live, which I think it why it didn't last very long.
Marc
Look what we have now: rap, RnB, rap, RnB, rap, RnB, again and again…

QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Oct 16 2007, 02:08 AM) *

Ligeti was playing with harmonic dissonance years before anyone thought to add distortion to a guitar

Then came Glenn Branca, NY.

QUOTE(Selmac @ Oct 16 2007, 05:30 AM) *

Seventeen Seconds is great. I think that Disintegration is even better.

Pornography is the xit.
Carnage Visors made me tripz ballz.
Marc
Btw, punk is not dead, The Exploited are still touring

Fuck The USA
absinthist
Wattie's still in shape and form abs-cheers.gif And they, as stemmin' from oi/2nd wave, prove Punk has never died.
Nymphadora
Standard Deviant: First and foremost, I am a theatre teacher. I begrudingly teach English, and am prone to occasional mistakes. Thank goodness I'm not a surgeon.
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