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hobgoblin
I just noticed that a few people on here play/have played Morrowind. I recently bought a copy of Morrowind (with Bloodmoon & Tribunal included) but am having great difficulties getting it to run without crashing or freezing on a VERY regular basis (so much so as to make the game almost unplayable). I've uninstalled it, deleted any related registry items and reinstalled it with my anti-virus off, but still the problem remains. I've updated my drivers etc., but it makes no difference.

Perhaps my computer isn't up to it?

My computer is a HP Pavillion Centrino Duo Laptop running Windows XP (service pack 2). It has 1GB RAM, 2 CPUs (1.66 GHz) and has an Intel 945 gm graphics card. I have DirectX 9.0 running.

Has anybody any ideas why I cannot run this game without crashing?

Many thanks,

Hobgoblin
Artemis
For the system requirements, you should go to the Bethesda website (they made the game). Somewhere on there, either in the website proper or in one of the forums, you will find the requirements. From what I remember, your computer sounds robust enough. Of course, with any game of that type, you can't have too much memory or too powerful of a video card.

But you should also be aware that this game is prone to "crash to desktop". It does this with disturbing frequency. You will find that to be a much-discussed topic in those same forums. Af for the freezing, it tends to freeze for a moment when you are leaving one "cell" and entering another. Oblivion, which is the sequel seems (at least to me) to have almost completely eliminated both problems. You do need a fairly high-end machine to run Oblivion.
hobgoblin
Thanks Artemis.

Yes, according to what Bethesda say on the box and on their website, my computer should be able to run it. However when a game crashes on average about every 10 minutes (sometimes after only a few minutes, and if I'm very lucky I get 25 minutes play without a crash or freeze) something isn't right. Crashing to desktop I could put up with, but not the whole game freezing up entirely which happens very frequently. I could put up with a crash every half hour, but at the moment its crashing and freezing so much its not worth playing.

Perhaps altering my graphics settings could help? My graphics card is just the standard one that came built into this laptop (128MB display memory), and since it is a laptop, changing the graphics card isn't an option.

I've sent an e-mail to Bethesda technical support so I will see what they advise.

In the meantime any advice is much appreciated.

Hobgoblin
The Standard Deviant
It might be worth seeing if there is an updated version of the graphics card driver available from Intel, sometimes the one supplied with the computer is only sufficient for general use without 3D acceleration.

Addendum: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Product_Fi…?ProductID=2301
hobgoblin
Thanks for that tip. There was a more recent driver available, so I've updated.

Although I may have already sorted the problem. I ran Checkdisc on my C-drive and afterwards I played the game for 30 minutes without any problems.

I hate using Checkdisc as it takes forever to complete and in the meantime all I see is a blank screen. But if Checkdisc has sorted out my problem I will view Checkdisc in a more favourable light in future.

Fingers crossed, all may be well and I hopefully I may be able to continue adventuring through Vvardenfell and Solstheim unhindered by too many freezes and crashes.

Thanks all,

Hobgoblin
Donnie Darko
Hob, since you're in the UK you should look into the PlayStation 3. You can play Oblivion on that (the PS3 version comes with all the expansion packs), and Sony Europe is rolling out live TV recording capabilites for the PS3. I had an Xbox 360 that broke twice so I sold it and got the PS3, and liked Oblivion so much I bought it again for the PS3, and the PS3 version runs extremely well. I've seen comparisons between the PS3 version of Oblivion and the PC version, and the PS3 one drops less frames and never crashes.

Morrowind doesn't exist on any game console platform though, so you wouldn't be able to play that, which is a bummer.
hobgoblin
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Oct 29 2007, 06:42 PM) *

Hob, since you're in the UK you should look into the PlayStation 3.


If I went out and bought a games console I think a divorce might follow. I spend enough time on on my computer or fiddling around with my Humax DVR; if I bought another electronic device to spend even more of my time on I don't think it would go down too well.

At least if I use my laptop I can play games, watch TV and speak the odd word of communication with my wife all at the same time. Who says that we men can't multi-task?

Anyway, last might must have been a fluke with half hours play without freezing. Tonight the game is unplayable with freezes.
hobgoblin
Just go my reply back from Bethesda. Apparantly my Intel video card is not supported to play Morrowind. That's a shame.
Artemis
Well, Morrowind came with the computer I bought several years ago; actually it came withe video card I specified - GeForce FX 5600 XT - the card came "bundled" with several games. The game runs well enough on that, but Oblivion would not run at all, so I got a new machine with the fastest card on earth (at the time). When I said it crashes to desktop with frequency - well, you might play five days in a row and it will never crash, and then it might crash several times in one sitting - every half hour is extreme - nobody could put up with that. FWIW, the card I mentioned above will definitely play the game - if they're still on the market you could probably pick one up cheap. They're easy to install as well, if you have a free slot that will accept it.

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adventuring through Vvardenfell and Solstheim


Shit fire - the island of Solstheim was added as the third of three expansions - that's rough sledding for a beginner. Every living thing on that island is tough as nails, and they all have insane reflection ability, so even if you have powerful magick, it bounces right off them and wastes YOUR ass instead. If you see a werewolf there, your athletic skill better be about 100, cause you're going to need to do some runnng.
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(hobgoblin @ Oct 29 2007, 03:48 PM) *


If I went out and bought a games console I think a divorce might follow.


Ha! There's no easy solution when it involves significant others and video games. My wife plays games as much as I do, so we're often arguing over who gets to play. As a result it takes me about 3x longer to beat games than other people.
hobgoblin
QUOTE(Artemis @ Oct 29 2007, 11:44 PM) *

Well, Morrowind came with the computer I bought several years ago; actually it came withe video card I specified - GeForce FX 5600 XT - …………, the card I mentioned above will definitely play the game - if they're still on the market you could probably pick one up cheap. They're easy to install as well, if you have a free slot that will accept it.


My computer is a laptop, so I guess I'm pretty much stuck with the hardware that's built into it. The only external video cards on the market, as far as I'm aware, require you to use an external monitor (which defeats the point really).

Unless, of course anyone here knows of a solution to upgrade a laptop.


QUOTE(Artemis @ Oct 29 2007, 11:44 PM) *

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adventuring through Vvardenfell and Solstheim


Shit fire - the island of Solstheim was added as the third of three expansions - that's rough sledding for a beginner. Every living thing on that island is tough as nails, and they all have insane reflection ability, so even if you have powerful magick, it bounces right off them and wastes YOUR ass instead. If you see a werewolf there, your athletic skill better be about 100, cause you're going to need to do some runnng.


I have to own up to cheating. As I can't play the game properly due to crashing, I used cheats to create a character with level 100 everything and full Deadric armour and sword, then use COC console commands to 'teleport' to any town in the game. Not much of a challenge, but it if my machine won't let me play the game properly I may as well have a laugh killing everything in sight before my machine crashes again.
hobgoblin
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Oct 30 2007, 05:08 PM) *

QUOTE(hobgoblin @ Oct 29 2007, 03:48 PM) *


If I went out and bought a games console I think a divorce might follow.


Ha! There's no easy solution when it involves significant others and video games. My wife plays games as much as I do, so we're often arguing over who gets to play. As a result it takes me about 3x longer to beat games than other people.


My wife does not see the attraction of computer games or anything to do with technology. She doesn't use the internet, doesn't use e-mail and her mobile phone is left switched off (except for the very rare ocassion when she turns it on to make an outgoing call). She cannot understand how anyone over the age of 13 would want to play a computer game (and even then doesn't understand why kids would rather play on a computer than be outside playing).

As far her empathy for those who enjoy playing computer games, I'm stuffed really.
Alice the absinthe eater
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Oct 29 2007, 02:42 PM) *

Morrowind doesn't exist on any game console platform though, so you wouldn't be able to play that, which is a bummer.



That's odd, because I've played it on the Xbox.

http://www.amazon.com/BETHESDA-Elder-Scrol…d/dp/B00005OWBL
Tibro
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it takes me about 3x longer to beat games than other people.
Thanks for the warning. I'll stay out of your way.
hobgoblin
QUOTE(Tibro @ Oct 30 2007, 07:35 PM) *

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it takes me about 3x longer to beat games than other people.
Thanks for the warning. I'll stay out of your way.


So assuming he took a year to beat a game like Morrowind, that means he will spend a full 4 months beating someone up. That's pretty violent behaviour for a liberal.
Donnie Darko
Oblivion actually did take me a very long time, I think about 8 months from start to finish, including expansion packs. Artemis and I were playing it around the same time and I think he finished it 4 months sooner.

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That's odd, because I've played it on the Xbox.


Oh, I was only thinking of the 360, PS3 and Wii. My mistake. Hob could probably get an Xbox+Morrowind used for damned cheap, certainly cheaper than it would cost to replace his laptop or to replace the logic board (which I think is the only easy way to upgrade video capabilites on laptops). Of course if he does that, he should really pick up Fable since he's into those sandbox type RPG games. Of course he'd have to lie to his wife and have his friend wrap the Xbox in wrapping paper and "give" it to him as an early birthday present or something.

Did Morrowind work OK on the Xbox? I thought it had issues but maybe I'm thinking of another game. The only other issue is I'm not sure how easy it is to find an original Xbox in the UK (he'd need a UK format one since the UK is PAL instead of NTSC). The Xbox and the 360 are still not very well established over there, the PS3 outsells the 360 two to one and I think the PS2 did even better against the original Xbox.
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(hobgoblin @ Oct 30 2007, 04:23 PM) *

That's pretty violent behaviour for a liberal.


Ha. You should see what I did in Grand Theft Auto San Andreas. Who says a Liberal can't solicit a prostitute, set her on fire with a blowtorch after services are performed and get the money back, and then go to the casino and put it all on the blackjack table, and then go spend the winnings from that on an AK-47? Sure beats playing the stock market.

Video games are probably one reason why I'm not violent. I don't need to do that shit in real life because I can raise all the hell I want in the virtual world without the real world consequences or guilt.
hobgoblin
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Oct 30 2007, 09:19 PM) *


Hob could probably get an Xbox+Morrowind used for damned cheap, certainly cheaper than it would cost to replace his laptop or to replace the logic board (which I think is the only easy way to upgrade video capabilites on laptops).


I was wondering, is it possible to use the expansion port on my laptop as a docking bay for a better video card? I've no idea what the function of the expansion port on my laptop is.
Donnie Darko
No. The PCMCIA port won't allow a direct connection to the graphics card which are usually AGP or PCI format. Technically you should be able to hook up a PCI expansion chassis, and plug a PCI graphics card into that, but most laptops are hardwired to only use their internal video memory. I've seen laptops hooked up to PCI expansion chassis before for other things, but I've never seen one using an external video card. Even if that could work, you'd have to buy the chassis, the graphics card, and a 2nd monitor since the laptop monitor can't swap video processors, even if it supports dual monitors. All of that stuff would cost so much you might as well just buy a new laptop (or Xbox).
hobgoblin
Thanks for that. I guess an XBox is the way forward.

Presumably I could use my laptop as a monitor for the XBox?

If so, would it be possible to add the XBox to my current wireless network, using my current wireless router, and have it wirelessly with my laptop screen, and then I could use a wireless XBox controller to play the game using my laptop screen?
Artemis
Cheating is an option - normally the only way to get Daedric armor is to kill someone who has it (normally demons) and as a beginner you're not going to be able to even dent them before they cut your heart out. Saving enough coin to buy it will take weeks and weeks of game play.

I understand the killer impulse, though. Sometimes I would levitate to the top of some tall building in town and do a University of Texas job on the citizens, raining exploding arrows into their midst, until I had wasted everybody in town. It's fun to watch them run around with their hair on fire. Once I got a bunch of them stirred up, milling around at the base of the building (most of them can't levitate), and then conjured a fire demon into their midst. The guards started flailing away at him and he fell into the river, with them right behind them. You could see the flames trailing around under the water with the tops of their heads chasing him. I'm with Darko - it's good to have a safe outlet to exhaust impulses of that sort.
G&C
I found Carmageddon to hard to leave in the house.

I would be driving down the road and it was all I could do NOT to go after the pedestrians.
hobgoblin
For those who may be interested, I managed to get Morrowind running and remaining fairly stable on my Intel 945 graphics card.

I downloaded a program called 3dAnalyze which fools the game into thinking that my card has hardware pixel and vertex shading (and a couple of other things my graphics card can't do). The game still freezes and locks up ocassionally, but this only happens on average once every hour so far, and the crash to desktop problem seems to have been eliminated. 3dAnalyze as well as setting screen resolution to 800x600 seems to have at least made the game playable.

Not ideal if you are a fussy type, but at least the game is now playable.
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(hobgoblin @ Oct 31 2007, 01:45 PM) *

Thanks for that. I guess an XBox is the way forward.

Presumably I could use my laptop as a monitor for the XBox?

If so, would it be possible to add the XBox to my current wireless network, using my current wireless router, and have it wirelessly with my laptop screen, and then I could use a wireless XBox controller to play the game using my laptop screen?


Good thing you tricked your video card, because what you proposed above wouldn't work. I always loved 3rd party guys that come out with some clever little app that tricks a bad design into being a better one. I remember on an ancient mac running RAM doubler and Speed doubler and being really impressed with the results.

I just got a new iMac yesterday and it's pretty ridiculous what that thing can do compared to my old Powerbook 5300cs I had in 1996. It's like evolving from an insect into a sentient being in 10 years. With advances in AI and nanotech I'm almost afraid (and simultaneously excited) to see what computers and life will be like 20 years down the road… Qualcomm just created a working version of ePaper which is going to make all those fancy LCD displays into paperweights in a few years…
Alice the absinthe eater
Yeah i've seen some crazy shit on LCD to, but I always found LSD to be more vivid and have higher definition.
Donnie Darko
Definitely higher-def, but you can't really control what you're watching. That's why I abandoned that drug after only a few experiments. You can't change the channel.
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