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Habu
First - I'm not much of a political person. I don't understand it much and mostly I don't care about it. However I'm smart enough to grasp the point when I see some extreme right wing party going wild with their arms in the air screaming something like "see-saw". Their followers are basically those types addicted to break someones face and they feel (or secretly feel) that the nazis from WWII were the good guys. I don't like that kind of thing.

Anyway, yesterday some moron just posted a link to my site concerning authentic absinthe on a local Czech conservative nationalist site, where I also found a link to zentropa.info. What the hell is driving these monkeys to absinthe? blink.gif What the heck is this slogan Amour Absinthe Révolution! all about? Like France-revolution-anger-violence thing, or what?

I don't like people saying things about me when I display my own opinion. I found myself being a communist and a great christian at the same time, because I said things, which resembled communism and/or christianity. And it didn't feel any good imaging some other loon from the other side screaming "He drinks absinthe! He's a nazi!" btw. I'm not a communist and/or a christian or a follower of any of these "religions".

I'm not going to contact them to remove the link to my site! I don't communicate with people I don't like. And these types are just the ones, whom I wouldn't like to show my negative view of their "religion" in the first place, because those are the monkeys screaming "You're not with us, we'll break your face!"

So… uhm… please, tell me, you guys here are not nazis, right? heart.gif wink.gif
Wild Bill Turkey
Hell no, we're fascists.
Habu
Thank god! abs-cheers.gif
absinthist
The only absinthe-related thing I have found here is that: http://zentropa.splinder.com/post/10061458/Fatina+verde and that one: http://zentropa.splinder.com/post/8969891/…+et+chantons%2C

However, there is an excellent reportage on Rodin, Degas, Monet and Renoir (I have seen it already somewhere) that is on their site as well: http://zentropa.splinder.com/post/20002290…%2C+Degas%2C+Re

After browsing several pages of their archives it should be noted they are Third Position and seem to have no connection with Nazis/Neo-nazis what not.
Jaded Prole
Ah, "the third way."
Habu
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After browsing several pages of their archives it should be noted they are Third Position and seem to have no connection with Nazis/Neo-nazis what not.


I didn't browse the web much carefully, but it has links to "fascination" and "nacionaliste". I don't know what "Third Position" means, but those links somehow convince me there is something… unsound. wink.gif

And the link to my web was posted here on 06.03.2009.
Tibro
Unsettling as it may be for you there is something positive in the fact that they linked to your site rather than absint.cz or some other site that misrepresents the greater truth about absinthe.
Habu
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Unsettling as it may be for you there is something positive in the fact that they linked to your site rather than absint.cz or some other site that misrepresents the greater truth about absinthe.


Hell yeah, that was one thing that hit my mind too. evill.gif However I believe it is something like "mind phishing". Something like metapedia.org. They don't directly say "We're nazis, sieg!" Instead they write, paint and do whatever that looks like "fine, OK, interesting" (see the post from absinthist), so people would find them as "reasonable" and read them more and more. It is the most efficient and most dangerous way how to spoil the free mind. I think. :-/

I like absinthe, but I don't want the truth about absinthe to be spread by neo-nazis.

My point is, what has absinthe to do with them?
G&C
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I'm smart enough to grasp the point…


Yet you feel the need to quote the post directly above yours.
absinthist
QUOTE(Habu @ Mar 7 2009, 05:10 AM) *

I don't know what "Third Position" means


QUOTE(Jaded Prole @ Mar 7 2009, 04:37 AM) *

Ah, "the third way."

Generally, it is a group of people who can be ranked as National Sindicalists, FE JONS, Bonapartists, AF, Iron Guard, Futurists, Evola followers, autonomists, ethnic Europeans, distributionists, royalistes, monarchists, traditionalist Catholics and such. Although they are connected within the notion 'Third Position' (neither left, nor right), in certain aspects they won't find a consensus and thus are standing on their own. There has never been among them any nazi element and prolly will never be for two reasons:
a) National Socialism as a doctrine has been condemned by the Church (and they are not anti-christian groups like various NS organizations who openly promote Pagan beliefs or Hitlerian Luciferianism) and as such must be rejected;
b) National Socialism is an example of extreme left-wing movement, whereas the aforementioned groups although incorporate some very far left-wing rhetorics are rooted in the tradition of traditional right-wing. The other sites also quote Gustav Le Bon et al, instead of praising Hitler and his acolytes.
Jaded Prole
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National Socialism is an example of extreme left-wing movement

Wrong. Just because the fascists of the '30's incorporated the term "socialism" into their name to as a misleading act of populist image making propaganda does not change the fact that they were and are extreme rightists. The extreme right still echoes fascist positions. In its pure form, fascism, or "national socialism" is a dictatorship of the most reactionary elements of the corporate ruling class. When corporate interests take control of the state apparatus the result is fascism characterized by nationalism and repression of labor and dissidents. There may be some parallels in the barracks socialism of the left, ie, Stalin, Chouchesku, kim il Sung . . . but there are also basic differences.
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(absinthist @ Mar 7 2009, 12:51 PM) *

Generally, it is a group of people who can be ranked as National Sindicalists, FE JONS, Bonapartists, AF, Iron Guard, Futurists, Evola followers, autonomists, ethnic Europeans, distributionists, royalistes, monarchists, traditionalist Catholics and such.


Thanks for clarifying. Can't think of very many of their ideas that would make me say "wow, that's an interesting idea", except for maybe Futurists. The lumping of these groups into a third group seems odd though, since I can hardly see how Futurists, Catholics and Ethnic Europeans (cute euphemism for euro-xenophobics) have much in common, as you pointed out.

While it's true none of them are Nazis, there is nonetheless amongst some of those groups a tendency towards advocacy of racial isolationism, xenophobia and a romanticization of authoritarianism. One can hardly blame Habu for lumping them in with Nazis, even though they may not expressly identify with the Nazi party.
absinthist
Al, in the US NS is portrayed as right wing when it has nothing to do with the traditions of the movement-in Europe, people are slowly learning that NS is a left-wing creation and its association with right-wing does more harm than good, obviously. Fascism, on the other hand, is very different from National Socialism in terms of the view of the rule division, economical aspects and the religious ones, if there are some similarities as always when political doctrines are compared.

DD, authoritarianism is neither fascist nor national socialist or purely communist. In the authoritarian regime, the country's economy is thriving, and people are guaranteed freedom, something you cannot find in either communist/NS state like 3rd Reich or Stalinism. Fascists were advocating corporatism which is based on "Rerum novarum"'s social teaching of the Church, whereas Nazis adopted capitalism in its pure form, which they have been later condemned for (by the Strasserites-a typical offshot of NSDAP which from the very beginning has been nothing more than a left-wing party of the working class).

Jaded Prole
The fascists of the last century called themselves "national socialists," thus the terms are synonymous. You confuse socialist nationalism with national socialism. It should be noted that fascsists then and now are vehemently anti-socialist. Whether on the right or left, the problem with extreme ideologies is that the only way to implement them in short order is to eliminate the opposition but the basis for the goals is far different. On the right it is the unchallenged hegemony of the moneyed and business interests. On the left it varies from worker control and the abolition of a corrupt system to some Utopian vision (like that of Pol Pot). Hopefully, the idea of building a new society on a foundation of mass graves is a thing of the past.
absinthist
The fascists of the heyday called themselves "fascists" and there was only one truly fascist movement, the one in Italy. National Socialism has emerged later taking the inspiration from Partito Nazionale Fascista, but going much different way.

Fascists in Italy were anti-socialist, no doubt about it, yet German National Socialists called themselves "socialists" if their understanding of socialism was different from the understanding of communists/anarchosindicalists/trotskyites and such but it had had the elements of the socialist doctrine.

System will be always more or less corrupted and both sides of the barricade will be trying to overthrow it over and over again, instead of weaponry and warfare, everything is being decided behind the nations' back by lobbying, voting, and keeping the bureaucracy alive.


sixela
QUOTE(absinthist @ Mar 7 2009, 06:51 PM) *

Generally, it is a group of people […]


I have another idiom for that.

"The Loony Bin".

But that's just me. And yes, Tits, I'm just yanking your chain.
synthetic buddhist
aw, heck, theyre all assholes, let's just round 'em up and make 'em work 'til they drop. cdog-plain.gif ranting.gif sick.gif Wiener.gif ZombieHand.gif dildollpink.gif

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Habu
Thanks for the information.

But my point is still - Why absinthe? Is absinthe a political drink?
absinthist
QUOTE(sixela @ Mar 7 2009, 04:38 PM) *

But that's just me. And yes, Tits, I'm just yanking your chain.

What I would do without you MPA? harhar.gif

Re Habu's question-so far I have not found any comment why absinthe would be associated with Third Position. If Lautrec, Renoir, Cezanne, Degas (not necessarily an absinthe drinker, but the depictor of the drink) would be classified as proto-third positionists of their age (but only in terms of monarchic sentiments and traditionalist understanding of religion), on the other hand, van Gogh would have to be classified as radically Christian socialist (do not confuse it with Christian Democrat), Ernest Hemingway as a closet anarcho-communist.

It made all sorts to drink and love the green tipple, both from the Right and from the Left-that what made the absinthe so unique-just like today: Prole is a Socialist, I am a Monarchist, Sixer is Modernist Catholic, Donnie is an Atheist, we have nothing in common at first glance, but then we ALL drink absinthe. So, I would not wonder if the commies rise the flag of Fee Vete quite soon on their sites as well.
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(absinthist @ Mar 8 2009, 05:27 AM) *

Donnie is an Atheist, we have nothing in common at first glance, but then we ALL drink absinthe.


Well, if we want to get all label-ish about it, I like to consider myself a Bright:
http://the-brights.net/

Atheism isn't a belief system, it's just a rejection of another established belief system. Bright is the affirmative ideology…

And I'll drink absinthe with anybody, I don't care what they believe. But if they're a racist or overtly political and they like to exhibit their racism or wear their politics on their sleeve I'll probably refrain from talking to them much. I talk about politics a lot in here but it's not very often I venture into that territory in person. It's honestly just kind of a boring thing to do over a drink, unless politics is your job, in which case you should probably drink 8-9 more before you start talking. Once I was around a group of people who were all drunk and who I probably agree with politically, and they started enthusiastically opining about the Israel Palestine situation. I left.
dakini_painter
If you're a Bright, I'm probably a Dim.
sixela
Dim is still brighter than anything from the Obscure Side (mhhh..shades of His Dark Materials?) such as me…
Tibro
Butt nobody can illuminate the errors of our linguistic failings the way you can. Shine on.
absinthist
Spark in the dark.
Donnie Darko
Fart in a car.
synthetic buddhist
Atheism isn't a belief system, but Absinthe is.
absinthist
Absinthism you mean evill.gif
Jaded Prole
In your case but then it could be the tansy.
dakini_painter
Tansy is a religion.
synthetic buddhist
Absinthismus?

Tansyismus? or would that be Tansjiismus?



Tibro
Sounds like the gag line to a dirty joke.
absinthist
QUOTE(dakini_painter @ Mar 9 2009, 06:05 PM) *

Tansy is a religion.

A new Convert has been born. I am so glad it is You LARS!.gif Blessed are those who have tasted and embraced the Tansy, perish will those who haven't tasted and still complain. Thus spake the Holy Tansy Scripture. Repent, sinners!
Donnie Darko
I'm an Atansyist.
absinthist
And how do you define it, DD? Offshot of the Bright doctrine or something brand-new?
Donnie Darko
Well, I do believe Tansy exists. I just don't like it. So I guess that would make me the equivalent of a Satanist.
Absomphe
QUOTE(dakini_painter @ Mar 9 2009, 07:05 PM) *

Tansy is a religion.


So bulimics tell me.
absinthist
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Mar 10 2009, 01:48 PM) *

I just don't like it.

First, you have to try it, then you can dislike it harhar.gif
Kirk
Okay Mr. Tansicum , what do you know of feverfew ? Is there any historical reference to its use in absinthe ? The reason I ask is it smells grate , but I worry that it's related to your tansy.
absinthist
One from the family. And I know you are selling costmary, my friend, so if you sell it, its use in absinthe is self-justified just as any other tansy. The difference between the common tansy and feverfew is obviously the oil content, especially one compound has to be taken into consideration-parthenolide (a powerful anti-carcinogen and migraine killer). Tanacetum parthenium L. (so feverfew) and in particular the Mexican variety contains the most of it and as such is applied widely in medicine. So far, I have not found the historical reference to Parthenium and Balsamita use in absinthe but will browse my books and report back.
absinthist
So far only these recipes* call for tansies (of course, these should be credited as proto absinthe recipes, not extraits d'absinthe per se).

First of all, it should be noted which parts are to be used. One German book of the early 18th century suggests using flowers and leaves of Tanacetum vulgare, leaves of Tanacetum balsamita and leaves of Tanacetum parthenium. The ratio per litre are in the range 4-15g. Duplais himself describes vulgare as being the combination of anise and fennel, some other authors (more modern) associate vulgare with a slightly camphorous scent, while balsamita is generally viewed as the mixture of sage and mint. Parthenium has the most delicate scent of all three for that matter but resembles both to some extent.

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10g de feuilles de tanaisie,
1g de feuille de mélisse,
100g d'anis,
1g de menthe,
1g d'angélique,
1 litre d'alcool à 90°.


or

QUOTE
Pour une litre de 75%

Absinthe pontique……….7.5g
Absinthe ordinaire……….20g
Tanaisie…………………..30g
Racine d’angélique……….15g
Coriandre………………….15g
Badiane…………………….7.5g
Anis…………………………150g


"Absinthe ordinaire" is the equivalent of "grande absinthe", whereas "tanaisie" might mean either "vulgare" or "balsamita", in France these names are interchangeable and hence might cause more confusion. There is another recipe that calls for quite similar ingredients, but tansy is not listed in there, instead we come across less common absinthe ingredients such as marjoram or calamus or origano and the herb ratios are different, either.
Kirk
I think the feverfew has potential . I'll send you some flowers after the harvest .
absinthist
That would be very nice. Thank you!
Donnie Darko
This thread is awesome. The most talk about absinthe on this forum right now is in the politics thread. I salute Habu.

I'm fine with people experimenting with all sorts of ingredients in absinthe, traditional or not. I certainly don't want all the absinthes out there to taste the same. But exotic ingredients require very judicious use, as balance should be the primary goal.

I've had tansy, though not in an absinthe. I'm not crazy about how it tastes, but that's just me. In my opinion there are not very many savory/culinary type herbs that fit well in alcoholic beverages.

As for feverfew being a migraine remedy, pure parthenolide and feverfew extract have been shown to decrease blood platelet aggregation. Since the pathophysiology of migraine is still only marginally understood, the effect of feverfew on migraine mechanisms is questionable beyond anecdotal evidence. But since it inhibits platelet aggregation one should be very careful if they are already taking any anti-coagulant medication or are due to have a surgery in the near future, for obvious reasons.
absinthist
T. parthenium: Camphor 43-62, chrysanthenyl acetate 14-24, parthenolide 14-43 (in %)
T. balsamita:Carvone 52, α-tujone 12, germacrene-D 3
T. vulgare: β-Tujone 88-92, camphor 1

(according to Jaime A. Teixeira da Silva, 21.10.2004)

For the inquiring minds.
Donnie Darko
Sweet. Tansy makes one's ballz tripz goodz with all them thujonz.
Habu
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This thread is awesome. The most talk about absinthe on this forum right now is in the politics thread. I salute Habu.

All and all, it is still about absinthe, so it's not THAT off topic.

And I think I've got my answer (not only) from this thread. Those revolution or elitist wannabe (right-left-middle-whatever) sites, mentioned in the beginning, are promoting absinthe, because it is not an ordinary drink. You can't get it at any bar. Mostly you'll get this reaction from others: "You drink ABSINTHE?!?!". And it was forbidden, you know, so, like, you do forbidden things, you are revolutionary! Many people still think it is illegal or poisonous. That's why they're not promoting e.g. beer or vodka, there's nothing special about other alcoholic drinks. Like for any idiotic poser, who is trying to look interesting, special, or somehow cool, absinthe is the right tool to do so.

I just wanted to know, if those sites have some potent reason to promote absinthe.
. . .
Probably no.
Habu
QUOTE(G&C @ Mar 7 2009, 03:44 PM) *

QUOTE
I'm smart enough to grasp the point…


Yet you feel the need to quote the post directly above yours.


OK, I admit, I'm not THAT smart. wink.gif
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(Habu @ Mar 12 2009, 05:12 AM) *

Like for any idiotic poser, who is trying to look interesting, special, or somehow cool, absinthe is the right tool to do so.


Good deduction of why they're using it. They're like so riské.
Jaded Prole
and behind the times as absinthe is no longer kewl.
OCvertDe
Hopefully that means less crappy absinthesque profiteering garbage like LTV hitting the market.
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