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OCvertDe
I suspect that I will be sending a lot of money over there before December 31.
Patlow
WTF!?!?!? Best news ever!
Donnie Darko
Really? I don't see anything on the website that says so.

EDIT: I see, it doesn't add in shipping if you look at your shopping cart.

Why is Verte Suisse now renamed VS 1898? Is the only difference the label?
absinthist
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Nov 28 2009, 07:29 AM) *

Why is Verte Suisse now renamed VS 1898? Is the only difference the label?


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Verte Suisse has now been renamed VS 1898, to differentiate this French absinthe from a Swiss-made product.


So says the site. Which Swiss-made product, btw? Why 1898?
Steve
Just a guess, but I sense the French authorities being picky about the label.
Steve
And Holy Hell is right. I'm going to drop a bundle on this!

Also, it says in big red letters on the main page:
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FREE worldwide shipping for all orders over 100 British Pounds Sterling until December 31, 2009!
Only a 5 British Pound handling charge will be applied.
Take advantage for the holiday season!
Patlow
This is great since DUNY is basically bare. Now it's cheaper to order NO from England.
Steve
Way cheaper.
dakini_painter
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You can order New York absinthe made in the Catskills near the Delaware River from Catskill Cellars, and soon Astor will have more and you can order from there.


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No free shipping though. But I know that's not the kind of absinthe that many FV folk prefer.


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OCvertDe
I get their newsletter, or I wouldn't have known. The current exchange rate on the pound isn't half bad right now either.

Dakini, at the risk of asking about something which I'm sure has already been explained and discussed ad nauseum, what is the likelihood of you ever taking online orders yourself? A simple STFU is acceptable if I the only reason I don't know is that I haven't been P'ingTFA.
Alan
The Three Tier System of alcohol distribution makes it impossible.
Steve
Even La Clandestine is not about $10 cheaper from LDF than DUNY's "sale" price (provided your order meets the minimum for free shipping from each vendor)!!

Note that it's best to use a credit card that doesn't charge a fee for transactions in a foreign currency, often 2%. I only know of two that do not charge such a fee: Schwab Bank VISA and Capital One.
OCvertDe
I use a Visa Check card and have never paid a fee for a transaction at LdF. That may just be a bank card thing, I don't know. This falls in the broad range of topics I'm woefully ignorant of.

Very helpful link Steve, thank you. At least as of 2005 then, NY wasn't an alcohol control state, so it looks as though she could work the same exception that many wineries do to sell directly to their customers. Although, I don't know that it would open the door for online sales… which is all I really care about.
Funky D
Damnit, my Visa card is going to hate me.

Is the Brevans A O Spare worth picking up?
dakini_painter
Article 5 of NY's ABC laws specifically prohibits NY distilleries (except farm distilleries)* from selling direct to the public (actually they say I can only sell to other alcohol license holders such as retailers and wholesalers).

It would probably require a legal challenge to get the states to accept interstate direct sales and a challenge to the imposition of a three tier system. But I don't have that kind of money for that kind of challenge.


* Why am I not a farm distillery? Because in NY a farm distillery must use 100% NY agricultural products, and anise and fennel don't really grow here (certainly not for seed). So therefore, farm distilleries can't make absinthe.
Shabba53
QUOTE(Funky D @ Nov 28 2009, 04:39 PM) *

Is the Brevans A O Spare worth picking up?

I'd say it's one of the best to come from them.
Patlow
I agree. I like their stuff in general though. But yes, pick it up!
Steve
I just noticed you can get one each of all 4 Jades (or 4 of one kind) for £194. That comes to U.S. $82/bottle.
Patlow
Niiiiiiiice. That's really something.
Donnie Darko
$320 for 4 bottles of absinthe is still a lot of $. That's almost one whole unemployment check.
OCvertDe
But think how much better you'll feel about your unemployment whilst imbibing.
Absinthesizer
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Nov 29 2009, 05:55 PM) *

$320 for 4 bottles of absinthe is still a lot of $. That's almost one whole unemployment check.


Not to be a bad influence, but I'm currently unemployed and still couldn't resist plunking down nearly an unemployment check on the Jade 4. Thank you, State of Colorado.

(Aside from this I've been very frugal lately. Except for the $$$ I spent last month on Vienna Symphonic Library samples … another irresistible sale, and in the long run these samples will give me even more pleasure than the Jade.)
Provenance
The level of unemployment, even just among people I know, keeps rising.
Absinthesizer
I'm actually lucky. I was the marketing guy for a symphony orchestra, and while I love orchestras, it turns out I hate marketing. In late July, I went to Mrs. Absinthesizer and told her I'd realized I could no longer stand my job, and had to quit. She was completely supportive (I married way above me!), and we worked out a time-line where I'd hang on until the beginning of October, when the new orchestra season was underway. Two days later - before I'd said anything to anyone at work about my intentions - they laid me off. So I was planning to be unemployed now anyway, while I make the transition to a more music-intensive career, and in the meantime I have unemployment benefits that I didn't expect to have.

Therefore: abs-cheers.gif
Shabba53
QUOTE(Provenance @ Nov 30 2009, 02:00 PM) *

The level of unemployment, even just among people I know, keeps rising.

Historically, it normally does through much of the beginnings of economic recovery. Given that the recovery is still dubious, it probably won't improve much for quite some time.
speedle
Unemployment is, after all, a trailing economic indicator, and in this case it may be way, way trailing.
Provenance
QUOTE(Shabba53 @ Nov 30 2009, 11:50 AM) *

Given that the recovery is still dubious, it probably won't improve much for quite some time.

Unfortunately, an accurate statement.
G&C
Unfortunate, indeed.
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(Steve @ Nov 29 2009, 04:20 PM) *

I just noticed you can get one each of all 4 Jades (or 4 of one kind) for £194. That comes to U.S. $82/bottle.


No you can't. It says LDF is not shipping Jade to the US anymore. I guess that means Jade is awaiting US TTB approval? Unfortunately that also means we'll probably be stuck with US $110 a bottle.
absinthist
Nevertheless, two MORE Jades have been approved for the US and will be available there soon:

http://absinthe-review.net/forums/showthre…=218&page=1
Jaded Prole
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The level of unemployment, even just among people I know, keeps rising.


Employment is so 2008.
Donnie Darko
QUOTE(absinthist @ Dec 4 2009, 06:25 AM) *

Nevertheless, two MORE Jades have been approved for the US and will be available there soon:

http://absinthe-review.net/forums/showthre…=218&page=1


There used to be a time when if one wanted to learn the latest about absinthe, they looked here first. Scooped by absinthe-review.net? Boy, that's something to be proud of.

I can understand the Jades being slightly more expensive than the EU version, because it will have 50 more ml of absinthe, but I sincerely hope the $110 tag is reduced.
Steve
QUOTE(Donnie Darko @ Dec 4 2009, 04:29 AM) *

There used to be a time when if one wanted to learn the latest about absinthe, they looked here first. Scooped by absinthe-review.net? Boy, that's something to be proud of.

Holy Hell indeed.

I actually heard this rumor on facebook first, then looked here, then followed the link to TARN. I don't know what part of this I am most disturbed about.
speedle
TARN is up and coming, I think. No worries though, this place will always be the real resource.
G&C
Don't fool yourself.
It hasn't been that for quite a long time.
Provenance
The only resource needed for booze is money.
Steve
or friends!
Absinthesizer
… with money!
G&C
Or a big still.
Tibro
…or a small one
Marc
Or free absinthe fests.
Funky D
…and free airfare.
OCvertDe
Just came this morning

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LDF Newsletter 2 December 2009

Jade absinthes

There has been a lot of speculation as to why a disclaimer has appeared on our Jade range of products stating that they cannot be shipped to US residents. LDF was forced to place this disclaimer on its website and failure to comply would have resulted in LDF having its entire supply of Jade blocked. As LDF has always been the exclusive worldwide distributor for Jade absinthes, we consider this action highly objectionable. Our policy has always been to put our customers first, and to supply Jade to customers wherever we are able to ship. This policy has not changed. We apologize for any delays or inconvenience that this temporary circumstance may have caused you and look forward to continuing to provide you with some of the top quality products available worldwide.


I'm confused. Are they saying they will ship me Jade in the US, or they won't? IPB Image
Donnie Darko
Well, if it says they cannot ship Jade to the US, then that means they cannot ship Jade to the US.

I guess the real question is whether LDF had a legal agreement with Combier/Ted to be the exclusive worldwide distributor of Jade, and whether that legal agreement would be valid in US courts.

I think LDF and Viridian should sue each other. It's the American way. And it will be awesome for the consumers. Because let's not forget it's all about the money. The absinthe is secondary. In case nobody ever noticed, the business world is full of people who will try to screw other people for a buck and then justify it because it's "legal". Socialism is objectionable, until you're a business who wants to use the law to prevent true capitalist competition. I always thought this would end up being a problem, given that I don't think it's "legal" for LDF to ship alcohol to US consumers without US taxes being levied on it. When absinthe wasn't legal in the US, nobody cared because there was no US business money at stake. But now that it's legal, one can understand why US distributors, who have to pay US taxes on the alcohol they sell, would balk at the idea of the exact same product they are selling coming into the US untaxed from another distributor.

What's weird though is I can buy Vieux Pontarlier from LDF or from a store down the street and nobody says boo. It's $60 from Astor or $74 from LDF, so it appears competition worked out in favor for the US distributor. Clearly there is more than one business model one can follow, and in the example of Vieux Pontarlier, it works out great for the consumer because the US option is the cheapest one. I like the business model that says "let the market decide" as opposed to the one that says "let's make up a contract that makes it so people can only get a certain absinthe from one person: me". One is called playing the game, the other is called trying to rig the game.
speedle
I don't believe, in this particular case, that Viridian is the problem, dispite appearances. Don't ask me why, it just seems like that. As for the LdF newsletter, it pointedly does not state that they are currently shipping Jades to the US, so I guess the situation is not resolved. Except that Oxy's newletter says that they are currently shipping Jades. To where, it does not say.

I think we should all just take a deep breath, and give this some time to resolve itself before we make it words, your theories (which I agree with) notwithstanding, DD.
OCvertDe
Actually, news from Oxy on the matter is less murky, as Absinthe Classics was also claiming no Jade shipment to the US and offering no disclaimers such as I have here from LdF, to my knowledge. Now, however, it doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
Donnie Darko
I guess this is a matter for lawyers and business people to sort out. In the meantime, nobody in the US is getting any Jade for Christmas. Guess you'll just have to settle for Vieux Pontarlier, Pacifique, Leopold, Meadow of Love or Walton Waters instead, which are all pretty comparable in quality to Jade and cost less.

Boo hoo.
OCvertDe
No, really, it looks like Absinthe Classics is shipping them to the US now.
Since they go through LdF, I'm not sure how that breaks down, or if it clarifies LdF's position, but there it is.
speedle
Well, now that's not really true, DD. First off, anybody can have one of the Jades almost anytime they want. NO at DUNY, and widely sold elsewhere, all straight up and legal-like. Second, I can count the domestic offerings that I think are as good as Jades on the fingers of two fingers. That's it. Not to say there aren't very good other absinthes out there, whether foreign or domestic. But very good, and (in my opinion) Jade are quite a different thing.
Funky D
I must have missed that little disclaimer when I ordered the other day.

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